Don Feder Gets Trenchant On The Lott Affair

Don Feder Com ^ | 12/22/02 | Don Feder

[Republic of Texas]

It went to more white people, because there are MORE white people. Haven't you learned? Giving people stuff, for whatever reason, never works. They just become dependent. That's why SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS.

Seriously again, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Why am I here? To be a burr under your saddle of smug complacency.

[rdb3]

You need to back the hell up. You're saying here that this transfer of wealth went directly from whites to blacks. That's a damned lie.

Don't bring that weak crap to the house.

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[Chancellor Palpatine]

I'm not talking about reparations for slavery - I'm talking about the conditions pre-1964 - a completely different critter.

[Republic of Texas]

No, I'm saying that a transfer of wealth, never helps either party. But yes, when the war on poverty was started, part of the motivation, was to rectify problems of the past. I didn't come up with that idea, because I was 2 yrs old then. It is obvious now, that that approach NEVER WORKS. Take your racial guilt somewhere else, you're barking up the wrong tree here.

[puroresu]

You're comparing segregated lunch counters to the extermination of six million Jews?

And, by the way, isn't it amazing how Jews managed to make it through Holocausts, pogroms, segregation and discrimination (Jews were segregated and discriminated against repeatedly in Europe for centuries), and still succeeded on their own?

If you travel to Europe, do you see Jews living on welfare with half a dozen illegitimate kids? Do you see them roaming the streets in gangs? Do you see them failing on college entrance exams, and demanding affirmative action programs in which they are given extra points for having ancestors who suffered through inquisitions and holocausts?

No, you see Jews making it on their own merit. They went through hell, but weren't broken by it. They got up, brushed the dust off, went to work, and became successful. I think that's one of the reasons so many so-called black leaders (Jackson, Sharpton, Cynthia McKinney, etc.) hate Jews so much. Jews prove that even the most horrendous abuses can be overcome if you work hard.

In contrast, the so-called black leadership in America has encouraged blacks to become a dependent class.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

And I'll add - a true conservative takes responsibility for his actions and recognizes when his living forebears were wrong. If he wants to honor his older family and social traditions going back generations, he acknowledges the bad with the good, and doesn't sugar coat it.

[Republic of Texas]

No, I mean, what do YOU get out of it? You're obviously a socialist. Why come here and get trounced everyday?

[rightwing2]

Truman's reputation as a tough guy was sealed the day he ordered the atomic bomb dropped. Nothing will ever change that.

Yes, Truman did a fine job of killing a couple thousand innocent Japanese civilians by atomic means and thus joined Stalin, Mao, and various Italian mafia dons in earning a well-deserved reputation as a "tough guy." However, his policies in regards to the Communist threat were nothing short of disasterous. The loss of 600,000 of our Free Chinese allies to the Communist hordes was the result of Truman's treacherous sabotage of Chiang Kai Shek's Free Chinese Nationalists.

[rdb3]

Racial guilt? Puh-leeze!

If you would have stated it like you did here, there wouldn't have been such an objection.

No chasers here. 120-proof.

Ya heard?

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[Republic of Texas]

Where did I say that Jim Crow Laws weren't wrong? I just said the solution that was tried failed. Miserably and publically.

[Jhoffa_]

2) The denial of basic freedoms to our minority race was the original sin of American history for which we're still paying the price today.

Yes, I often wondered how anyone could sign on and defend vigorously the BOR during those times..

It flies directly in the face of our Constitution and we weren't truly honoring our Constitution (hell, we weren't even accepting it's words at face value) until these practices were brought to an end.

I couldn't be proud of our document under such circumstances. I don't know how anyone could.

Trenty, otoh.. that was a nothing more than a political lynching. And I think everyone knows it on some level.

[Republic of Texas]

I wasn't commenting on Truman's policies, only on how he is viewed by history. Notice the incredibly large and obvious difference between the two.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Me a socialist? ROFLMAO.

Sorry, pal, you're so very wrong.

[Jhoffa_]

...Jews are always “whining about the Holocaust.”

BWAHAHHA!!

I can't believe someone said this.

I bet they had these assholes all through history.. I can just hear them now: "Oh, shut up and stop crying for your dead kid.. You're always whining about the Herod thing. Geeez.."

I don't even know how to reason with people like this.

[Republic of Texas]

Boiled down, all I am saying is that SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS. Regardless of which form it takes. It perverts the giver, and enslaves the taker.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

So paying your just debts to identifiable, systematically excluded people is socialist?

[Republic of Texas]

Forcibly taking money from one group and giving it to another, is socialism. You support that. It never works. That's why slavery failed as well. It's immoral in every form. Why support solutions that have failed every time they are tried?

[rightwing2]

Your conjecturing is specious. No one wanted troops in China right after WWII. Thurmond would have been a disaster in more ways than one. Do you think HE would have integrated the armed forces? Truman was one of the few excellent Dem presidents.

On the contrary, my indictment of Truman is well-supported by historical fact. Kindly read "America's Retreat from Victory" by renowned anti-Communist Joseph McCarthy. Further, there was no need for US troops in China after WWII except as military advisors/liaisons. Of course, I know that Thurmond was unacceptable as the segregationist he was. I'm just saying that he would have pursued a far better foreign policy than the disasterous Democrat President Truman. JFK, for all his faults, was a far better foreign policy President than Truman. He built up our nuclear triad and maintained US nuclear superiority over the Soviets.

[Republic of Texas]

Giving them equal opprtunity is the only answer. Making them dependent is cruel. And as you pointed out, there are more white people on welfare, so dependence is not based on race. It just doesn't work.