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Some questions that need to be answered.
Posted on 12/25/2002 12:05:09 AM PST by Stavka2
I don't write vanities, not normally not ever, but there's a first for everything. Here's a list of questions I want answered and most Americans should too.
- Why hasn't the upcoming Iraqi war been publically debated?
- Why hasn't Congress done it's job on the war?
- What are the actual costs going to be to the taxpayers of this war, and I don't been some ball park figures but detailed cost estimates? Best/worst case scenarios?
- Where is the money coming from?
- How much largeness will the US oil companies and defense industries receive from this war?
- What happens if the Iraqi oil fields are destroyed and what will be the cost of reopenning them?
- What will be the cost of rebuilding Iraq and what is/if there is the plan for this?
- What exact form of government will replace Iraqi Saddam/Batha rule?
- Why is the US negotiating with Iranian mullahs for the government, members of the very organization it opposes in Iran?
- Why is the US negotiating with exiled Iraqi generals who have human rights records worse then Saddam, to include "The Chemist"?
- What happens if Kurdistan declares independence...will this be supported?
- What happens if Turkey invades Kurdistan and begins a whole sale slaughter?
- What happens if Iran invades southern Iraq?
- Since Saddam is such a mad dog and has had chemical weapons for over twenty years, why hasn't he launched them on Israel?
- How will taking out Saddam, a socialist, make the US safer from Islamic terrorists financed by Saudi Arabia and various other emerites?
- Why have the Saudies been allowed to amass WMD and over 100 missiles?
- What is the end state in Afghanistan?
- What happens if Taliban launches offensives during Iraqi war? Where will reinforcements come from since all three participating divisions will also be in Iraq?
- How much is the US willing to spend to rebuild Afghanistan?
- What happens if Pakistan goes rouge and has nukes?
- Why have oil prices been allowed to climb up to the highest point in 2 years and retail had its worst season in 30 years.
- Why are foreign software engineers still being hired and imported at autrocious rates while domestic workers sit in unemployement?
- Why are Mexicans still being supported as illegals in the US?
- Why is the federal government still pushing for billingual services to these illegals?
- Why was NATO enlargement not even debated seriously, when this causes the US to willingly go to nuclear war for countries such as Romania. When this will cost the tax payer twice as much as last time, to the tune of $65 billion dollars, to subsidize the US military industry in selling systems to poor countries.
- Why are US troops still in the Balkins and the US is still backing the KLA?
- Why is the US still giving money to Arafat?
- Why is the US still spending globs of money, around $10 billion/year, defending Saudi Arabia when it refuses to cooperate with the US?
- Why are anti Chavez, pro democracy demonstrators not receiving any help?
- Why is the Zimbabwean anti Communist opposition not receiving any help?
- Why did the Rumsfield inquiry into waste, fraud and abuse in the US military and National Guard come to such a sudden halt?
- Why is air safety in US airports just as much of a joke still as it was before?
Just a few questions that no one is seeming to ask since it's a Republican run show and not democRats.
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posted on 12/25/2002 12:05:09 AM PST
WOW - Most of you questions are basic to any good Conservative I doubt you are here as a friend. You have to be a DU plant?
If you are not a Rat Plant I suggest you take each question and do a FR search and take about 2 hours reading up on each question.
PS: I started to answer your questions but realized they were bogus when you asked:
What happens if Pakistan goes rouge and has nukes?
33. Does Stavka2 support US led regime change in Iraq, pursuant to UN Resolution 1441?
34. Who did Stavka2 vote for, in 2000 and 2002 US federal elections?
To: Crossbow Eel
What happens if Pakistan goes rouge and has nukes?
You get a prostitute with the ability to place maximum ordnance on target...
Or did Stavka2 mean Rogue?
Meega, Nala Kweesta!
To: Crossbow Eel
Exactly why is this a bogus question? Maybe you missed the elections in Pakistan where over half the country voted for the Taliban style hardliners and the country is an assassins bullet away from revolution. Or are they to painful to answer?
posted on 12/25/2002 12:37:35 AM PST
To: Crossbow Eel
Where for that matter is the major public debate?
posted on 12/25/2002 12:37:55 AM PST
To: truth_seeker; spetznaz; MarMema; FormerLib; rightwing2
No, actually I support US led regime change in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic strong holds instead of defending them with US men and dollars. And I voted Bush only because there wasn't a better Republican candidate around.
I love these ad homuem (?sp) attacks that get launched the moment some one comes out and starts asking the tough questions, nothing like shutting up any real debate and totting the party line, like mindless little bots. Shoot away, it won't make these problems go away or get answered by doing only what your betters tell you.
posted on 12/25/2002 12:41:44 AM PST
To: Experiment 6-2-6
ok, ok, typing mishap not picked up
posted on 12/25/2002 12:42:39 AM PST
Did you get these questions from Sean Penn or Barbara Streisand?
The first 7 questions are assumptions on your part and not worthy of an answer. The rest are "What if's" and have a bias towards the negative.
The past 50 years have seen the fall of almost all the oppressive regimes and the remaining tyrants will soon fall. All we are seeing and hearing is the cries of these tyrants as they assume their rightful places in the ash heap of history.
I'm not sure where your from Stavka, But we Americans believe in Freedom and we will fight for it and we have fought and shed more blood for the freedom of people we have never met, Then we have for ourselves. Americans are not a part of a nationality, We are part of a dream and a belief in freedom.
Freedom is like a fever,
posted on 12/25/2002 12:47:43 AM PST
Thank you for the ideology lesson. But here's a correction, the US has also supported autocratic regimes the world over, to include the Regime of the Colonels in Greece, Turks in the annexation of Cyprus and the slaughter of Kurds. The KLA, the Croat facists, the Bosnian Islamics, Egypt's military rule, Pakistan's military rule, Indonesia's autocracy, various dictators in S. America and Africa. But I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you on this, I'm going to shoot holes in what you first said.
So, my first 7 questions, dealing with a fair conversation on the war are wrong? Is it wrong to ask why there is not public debate on an endevour that will send US lives off to be lost and US treasure to be spent? That's unpatriotic...hell, I'm sure you had no problem with Klintoon's little war escapades too, right? Oh, that was different, different party. Is it wrong to ask how much this is going to cost the taxpayer? To have an open accountability with the voters? Or should everything be done in secret...since you seem to think that's the way of free republics. Is it wrong to ask what contingency plans are made? Or how much will be spent on Iraq? Must be so wrong to think for one's self instead of being told what to put in your brain. How are you any different from the equally brainwashed democrats?
The last 50 years have also seen the rise of some of the most oppressive regimes, most of whom, except for in Europe, are still very much in power and new ones have risen up...must be nice to have your head buried in the sand.
Now do yourself a flavor and come up with some answers to these questions and see where it leads you.
posted on 12/25/2002 12:58:09 AM PST
Your long list of questions is exactly why I hired George W. Bush and his team to run the country. I expect THEM to come up with the right answers.
To: Stavka2; Burkeman1
* Why are US troops still in the Balkins and the US is still backing the KLA? * Why is the US still giving money to Arafat? * Why is the US still spending globs of money, around $10 billion/year, defending Saudi Arabia when it refuses to cooperate with the US?
You are right. We can think about it now, or start thinking when it is too late. To add to that painful list, above, I would ask about our exact dealings with the Iraqi opposition. The greatest set of illassorted ratbags, windbags, bankrupts (literally in some cases) and fundamentalists I have ever seen.
If anyone put in a post, saying I think we should send money to support war criminals and Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East - there would be an uproar. But that is what we are already doing. No lesson has been learnt by the immoral policy of supporting Sadaam (that is why they had to pull 8,000 pages out of the dossier. They were about the US sending weapons, including anthrax).
Ssshhh, what are you doing, don't you know you'll be getting flamed just like me for asking the very questions that most want just to go away and not worry about? Much better not to ask and just accept, our better know better after all. /sarcasm
posted on 12/25/2002 1:06:03 AM PST
The well thought out responses to the questions shows the logic and thinking behind the wish to invade Iraq. If you don't agree with the message, attack the messenger. Where are the intelligent replies to Straka's questions? It seems like most are attacks instead of answers. I like answers. That is the only way to form an opinion. The hyperbole without reason just increases the confusion of the attacker. It seems there are few valid arguments that the warhawks can mount in the debate.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:06:52 AM PST
Mine was not an attack. I truly wanted to know your position.
So I requested it, in a concise and short list of questions.
I cannot answer all of your questions. The real world is complex. Let me suggest one answer: Damage repair costs to Iraqi oilfields, will be offset against revenues from oil sales. Just a logical guess.
I would surmise that during the Thirty Years War, many questions arose.
I would further surmise, that before, during and after WWII, NOBODY had all the answers. Leaders (on both sides) did what they believed was best, under the extant circumstances.
Here are a few big questions to ponder:
Considering Islam may be hellbent on a long term quest for violent expansion, what course of action is most wise for the US to follow?
How can the civilized nations cause the Islamic citizenry, to turn away from their violence and expansionist aims?
With 15 of 19 WTC/Pentagon homicide perps originating from Saudi Arabia, would the US have been justified, to conquer Saudi Arabia, and make it a US territory, under the "spoils to the victor" doctrine of warfare?
Which muslim nation would serve as the best "example" to be destroyed, to show the world the folly of allowing it's citizens to attack America?
In WWII Germany and Japan were decisively defeated. In the aftermath, their citizens DID NOT try to continue the war, by terrorism. Can defeated muslims be expected to join a civilized, peaceful world community?
Of an estimated population of 1.2 billion muslims worldwide, how many would have to die, for the living to "fall into line" like the Germans and Japanese did?
Why in hell do you want answers to your questions, you seem to have all the answers.
You assume there hasn't been a debate over how to deal with Iraq.
You assume Congress hasn't done it's job
You assume there hasn't been an estimate on the cost of our options in dealing with Iraq
You assume there will be opportunistic profiteering after Saddam falls
You then base the rest of your questions on hypothetical situations
AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY I HAVE MY HEAD BURIED IN THE SAND
posted on 12/25/2002 1:08:18 AM PST
Well, since we are on the Eve of War, why hasn't any of this been discussed? I'm no democrat or liberal and my past statements and bookmarks will prove that, even if the shallow individuals that skim around here will make these stupid assertions, but the hypocracy of the conservatives is staggering. Everything the dissected about Klintoon, and rightly so, they are ignoring about Bush. Why? Because he is a republican (note, never did he call himself a real conservative and the track record shows). All presidents, regardless of politics, should have their actions dissected, no one should get a free ride.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:08:51 AM PST
Go to your room. You're not getting any presents for Christmas.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:13:34 AM PST
Whether or not I think I know the answers is beside the point, it is the duty of the government to provide the voters and paying public with answers to questions that it is avoiding giving. Has Congress voted on fund allications and a declaration of war or been asked to consider a declaration on war? Oh, I know there have been cost estimates in the closed circles, but why haven't they made them actually public to the people who will have to do the paying? As for opportunistic profiteering, sure, this war will be the exception to all other wars, yup, all new this time, yup. If you had read through the rest of the questions, which I doubt you did, half have nothing to do with Iraq, obviously you didn't.
And I have plenty of nerve, that's why I'm asking them, something most others don't have the nerve to do.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:13:53 AM PST
I know, I dared to question...guess the Chinese water torture and nail pulling will begin shortly.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:14:42 AM PST
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posted on 12/25/2002 1:15:50 AM PST
On dealing with Iraq..... See U.N. Resolutions from the first one signed when Saddam agrred to the cease fire agreements up until the latest Resolution# 1441
Reason for action against Iraq..... See previous violations of EVRY Resolutioon
Cost of war with Iraq....... Estimates have been from 80 billion to 200 billion
The rest of your questions require a fortune teller
posted on 12/25/2002 1:18:43 AM PST
posted on 12/25/2002 1:19:49 AM PST
Where for that matter is the major public debate?
Debated by members of Congress, you know, the people we elect to do those things. I don't think that a letter by the 100 Hollywood Woblies qualifies as a representitive debate.
Ok, I accept that and probably did over react.
Damage repair costs to Iraqi oilfields, will be offset against revenues from oil sales. Just a logical guess
A good guess but is it reality? And that's the problem, it isn't being discussed and it should be, since this is a very real reality. Besides, even if paid back, who will provide the initial funding to rebuild the fields?
See, this is discussion and debate, something a lot of people here don't want to do, just go with the flow.
As for Islam, it is best, in my opinion to buy off/ support the socialists, like Iraq, Libya and Egypt for now, while dealing with the Islamics such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, etc. They are the supporters of the Islamic terrorists. Deal with the socialists later. Socialism is much easier to topple when you have destroyed the Islamic fundies and replaced them with something better.
As in dealing with Islam (not arab socialism), use a heavy handed approach, and my favorite, force conversion...ooops, I know not PC, unpopular, etc. Or just destroy their symbols.
Conquer would be a wrong way of doing it. Topple and replace with something better. If you annex, you'll be dealing with all the head aches of constant attacks by numerous nut jobs and actually having to take the Saudi arabs by the hand and baby sit them, since they don't do a good job of running their country themselves. Then if you do conquer them, what happens when 30 million arabs apply for US citizenship?
The Japanese would have resisted but their god-emperor ordered surrender, which is also why he was left in power to avoid the terrorism. The Germans were much more practicle and the Soviets did pose a bigger threat.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:23:04 AM PST
Really? If the question of where that money is coming from requires a fortune teller, then the US has serious issues. Now go past the Iraqi questions and read the rest....please at least try.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:24:51 AM PST
Yeah, I had better get my heat proof undies on. I've shown myself up as one of them isolationists. I do not even believe in foreign aid. I think it is useless, and all charity should be up to the individual.
Ironically, on another thread, people are discussing what a pity it was that the US rushed into the conflict in the Balkans, and it looks very different in retrospect....
What should be the cut-off on the cost of freedom?
Do we need to consult Hollywood and/or the rest of the Liberal world before confronting evil?
Whatever the cost
posted on 12/25/2002 1:31:59 AM PST
How about this little novel idea, the government, before deciding on spending blood and treasure, consults the people in either open debate or referendum or a Congressional vote (as per Constitution by the way) on going to war...what a crazy notion. Or do you just believe in giving people blank checks. And for that matter all pertenant questions, such as cost to benefit ratios, should be addressed.
posted on 12/25/2002 1:35:03 AM PST
Are you trying to say that Congress has not debated this issue of War against Iraq?
We elect our represenatives in Congress to make informed decisions on National Security issues. Some of the info they have can not be shared with the public.
Try this "novel" idea....... On issues of War and Peace. These decisions are made by Congress and not by reforendum or town hall meeting. Congress has authorized our Commander-in-Chief to take whatever action neccessary to defend this nation and our National interest as well as defending our allies.
End of Story
posted on 12/25/2002 1:55:48 AM PST
To: MJY1288; Stavka2
"Are you trying to say that Congress has not debated this issue of War against Iraq?"
You must be joking...you mean have the Congressional staffers debated among themselves about the War against Iraq?
If you knew anything about what REALLY happens inside the beltway, you would know that Congress is too busy running around trying to fulfil the careerist agendas to seriously debate anything...that's why they have staffers!
Hell, 99% of Congress didn't read one page of the so-called "Patriot Act" before they voted on it.
Of course, Presidential "Emergency Powers" give Bush just about all of the license for action in Iraq he needs without even consulting Congress anyway...
For some reason Stavka's questions remind me of questions like;
Why did the CIA over-throw democracy in Iran and install the Shah?
Why did we re-install a totalitarian monarchy in Kuwait after freeing it from Iraq in 1991?
posted on 12/25/2002 2:15:17 AM PST
Thank you, thank you for helping to point the obvious that these bots don't want to look at. Just like the Republican congress voted on Klintoon's war on Yugoslavia...or rather voted not to vote.
posted on 12/25/2002 4:00:40 AM PST
At least you stayed with the thread and took-on the flames!
Happy New Year!
Boy, have you opened a can of worms or what? LOL I give you credit for having a brave pair of brass balls though. All these questions deserve serious answers and not just the usual lame mantras you'll be hearing in result. So, hang in there. Someone had to do it.
posted on 12/25/2002 4:56:22 AM PST
Why hasn't Congress done it's job on the war?
The only question really worthy of an answer. The what ifs have no pat answer.
As to the above, Congress hasnt done its Constitutional duty on any of our wars since 1941. They would rather shirk the responsibility so each party can lay the blame for the results on the other. They have determined that resolutions are good enough, no one wants to actually declare war anymore. With a resolution the buck can be passed upstairs.
posted on 12/25/2002 5:02:58 AM PST
by R. Scott
Damn skippy, someone had to do it. I'm sick and tired of these so called "conservatives" who are no better then their leftest counter parts. Tote the party line or we'll break out the napalm...nothing but knee jerk thought police.
posted on 12/25/2002 5:03:34 AM PST
To: R. Scott
Very true, but there are more then "What ifs" on that list, there are a hell of a lot of "Whys".
posted on 12/25/2002 5:05:30 AM PST
Your answer is better than the one I was going to give.
5. How much largeness will the US oil companies and defense industries receive from this war?
Do I state the answer in square feet or gallons or what? I'm stuck.
To: Gore_ War_ Vet
Over here! I think I found a friend for you. ;-)
Hope you and yours are having a great Christmas and that all is well. JVb
Because that's not how the US government works. We already elected them to represent our interests, not come running to us every time there is a decision to make. They are supposed to understand the situation better than we do, and make the right choices. That is why we elect them.
As for "public debate". I hear this asked a lot, but how is this supposed to happen? On the sunday morning talk shows? Most on the peacenik side seem incapable of little more than rhetoric, much less debate
posted on 12/25/2002 5:18:24 AM PST
It is a common error of the small mind to mistake dumb (or obtuse, irrelevant, nonsensical, meaningless, etc.) questions for tough ones; however, it does feed their egos ...
posted on 12/25/2002 5:18:38 AM PST
Why hasn't the upcoming Iraqi war been publically debated?
I do not understand what you mean by publically debated, but it seems to me that it has been the topic of conversation where I am, and it has certainly been in the news, and it seems to me congress gave President the go ahead to do something, so just where do you want this debate to take place, and between whom?
As far as your question on cost goes, just when in the history of the world, let alone the United States any government has been able to determine the cost of a military action.
Your question, if I had never read any of your other post and I have, gives away your point of view. You disagree with the pending action. Ok.
As someone else pointed out, many of your questions have been asked and answered, even if you do not agree with the answers (and I am not going to do your work for you, look up the answers yourself). Also, once again, we have a republic form of government, that is we elect people to represent us and to make decisions. If we do not like what they do, we have two choices, wait until the next election to vote them out of office or to impeach them.
As this administration continues to have a high approval rate from the citizens, it would appear we are overall happy with the decisions being made.
Lots of luck in getting your questions answered.
That is the only way to form an opinion. The hyperbole without reason just increases the confusion of the attacker. It seems there are few valid arguments that the warhawks can mount in the debate.
Ok, you answer the questions.
...and for Christmas I'd like to start deciding who, what, when, where and why my tax dollars go where they go.
No matter. No plan survives contact with the enemy.
the duty of the government to provide the voters and paying public with answers to questions that it is avoiding giving.
I have never heard of such a duty, just where is it written that it is the duty of the government to provide voters and paying (are you descriminating against the poor) public with answers.
Is it in the Consitution?
How many press conferences did George Washington have?
Have we forgotten that Al Queda, Iraq, Iranian mullahs, and the PLO have publicly declared war on the US?
Only hardcore leftists or harder core libertarians would get flustered over a foreign policy that hopes to eradicate central asia of these threats to the western world.
posted on 12/25/2002 5:35:44 AM PST
Excuse me if I was a little short with you. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and their hobby.
One of the constants of America is that there will always be those who are willing to defend her against the evils of the world. Luckily we have a leader now who recognizes the need for such action.
There is a coming battle in the desert. There are 2 ways to be blinded by the sand: head up and eyes open as we face the forces of evil, or eyes shut and head buried in the sand. You seem to have made your choice.
But do not fear so, little one. There will always be brave men and women willing to make the ultimate sacrifice so others can debate in safety.
posted on 12/25/2002 5:47:11 AM PST
G. Washington admonished us to avoid foreign entanglements. Every question on your list, relates in one way or another, to our failure to heed that advice.
Was it inevitable that America would move from a republic jealously guarding it's liberty, to an empire (albeit one still retaining republican traits) entangled in all kinds of unsavory situations? Probably. Now that we ARE an empire, we have to live with the problems that come with empire.
Sometimes there is no way out of a dilemma, other than to face it, head on. The nature (and fanaticism) of our enemies is such, that we must aggresively confront and defeat them. Will this be messy? Of course. But what is the alternative?
posted on 12/25/2002 5:53:02 AM PST
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