Arab anti-Semitic cartoons courtesy of MEMRI website

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[OReilly]

what accusation was that, troll? That the cartoons are antisemitic?
Only a MORON would think that a cartoon of a hook nosed Jew kvetching at a calm "peaceful" arash*t" wouldn't be antisemitic.
There's your explanation - now go find a commitment that arafat has kept to thru negotiation or go back and hang out with your bomb-throwing islami-nambla fiends.

It is the first cartoon that I said is not antisemitic (not all the other trash that the usual suspects dumped in here as proof that Jews, Santa, and tourists, were being taken advantage of, again).

I'm not sure there is a commitment that has been kept on either side. I think it is a disgusting display of duplicity on both sides, and I and the rest of the world have grown tired of it, a long time ago.

[carton253]

I think it is a disgusting display of duplicity on both sides, and I and the rest of the world have grown tired of it, a long time ago.

If the world has grown tired of it, that can only be because the world is sorely lacking in understanding the history and legality of Israeli settlements in both the West Bank and Gaza.

The Balfour Agreement gave the Jews the right to settle in any of the mandated territory. The White Paper of 1922 took away that right when Transjordan was formed. Now the Jews could settle anywhere in the mandated territory west of the Jordan. That Mandate has never been repealed.

After the War of Independence of 1948/1949, when Jordan controlled the West Bank and Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip, the Mandate was still in effect. Israelis were legally allowed to settle in these Arab controlled areas but did not for obvious reasons.

After the Six Day War in 1967, it was now possible for Israel to do so. UN Resolution 242 does not prevent Jewish settlements. UN Resolution 242 does not repeal the Mandate. What UN Resolution 242 does is leave it up to Israel to dispose/deal with the territory it conquered in 1967. In 1979, Israel traded Sinai for peace with Egypt. Israel does not have to give back West Bank and Gaza to the Arabs. She is not in illegal possession of it. In fact, according to the still valid Mandate, Jews can settle anywhere in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They are doing this. It is international law.

Eugene Rostow who helped frame Resolution 242 said that the UN was careful to make sure that Resolution 242 did not trample on the Mandate. And Resolution 242 was very careful to make it clear that the final disposition of the West Bank/Gaza Strip was left clearly to Israel. She could trade the land for peace or she could not. It was up to her.

The Oslo Accords of 1993 never brought up settlements. In fact, it is purposely vague on settlements. The final disposition of Oslo would have left the settlements in place.

There is much debate internally in Israel on whether settlements should be continued. Some believe that settlements are a hinderance to the peace process. Some would say that the settlements are illegal. I do not hold that view since the Mandate has never been repealed and UN Resolution 242 leaves the final disposition of the land to Israel... and not to anyone else... Not to the Arabs, not to the Americans, and certainly not to the Palestinians.

[SJackson]

Yehuda, thanks for the ping.

Carton, good explanation.

OReilly, you wasted all this energy on this thread complaining that dennisw didn't somehow delete anti-semitic from the title on the MEMRI website Common Antisemitic Cartoons, in contravention of FR rules to use the correct title, becaust ONE of the cartoons, in the opinion of renowned ART MAVEN and POLITICAL COMMENTATOR OREILLY isn't anti-semitic.

Take a valium.

BTW, the comment on the cartoon is clearly political, not anti-semitic. The caricature is straight from the propaganda of the Third Reich, as you and anyone looking at it knows.

Made you giggle, didn't it. Funny cartoon, that's why you came to it's defense.

[dennisw]

The first cartoon is very anti-Semitic. All one has to do is look at the nasty caricature of the Jew. The Arab cartoonists are so dumb they give a lot of the Jews big noses even though Arabs have big hooked noses themselves

[SJackson]

The first cartoon is very anti-Semitic. All one has to do is look at the nasty caricature of the Jew. The Arab cartoonists are so dumb they give a lot of the Jews big noses even though Arabs have big hooked noses themselves

Of course it is, to anyone but an avowed Jew Hater. I was commenting on the political comment, independently, in fairness to OREILLY who attempted to make that one phrase the topic of the thread, thus minimizing the clearcut Jew Hating content.

The caricature is straight from the brochures and postcards of the Third Reich, if I had time I'd post one. IMO, OREILLY got a giggle from it, like Jew Haters worldwide, he couldn't see the anti semitic content.

[OReilly]

I was commenting on the political comment, independently, in fairness to OREILLY who attempted to make that one phrase the topic of the thread, thus minimizing the clearcut Jew Hating content.

See, SJackson can be duplicitus too!

[OReilly]

There is much debate internally in Israel on whether settlements should be continued. Some believe that settlements are a hinderance to the peace process. Some would say that the settlements are illegal. I do not hold that view since the Mandate has never been repealed and UN Resolution 242 leaves the final disposition of the land to Israel... and not to anyone else... Not to the Arabs, not to the Americans, and certainly not to the Palestinians.

The only thing you forgot to mention in your Summation (which amounts to the Jews had better lawyers, in your opinion) was that the most important reason the Israelis can do whatever they want to in this conflict, is that the bible decreed that the Israelites should inhabit this land forever no matter what! In that interpretation, the Jews can lie, cheat, and steal, because the land is theirs and you can't steal something that is decreed as yours.

I'm sure there will be some members of that sect of the tribe arriving shortly to set us straight on that aspect.

I can detect that yours is a purely principled position and not an emotional position. Quite refreshing, I might add.

[carton253]

Who had the better lawyers? It is quite cynical for you to sum up my views in that way... Since I feel that the Jews have been in forced to retreat from the land promised them by international law. And are still being required to retreat.... by world opinion and people who do not have a clue to the history and legitimacy of Jewish right to the land.

The motivating force during the Mandate time was the Arab street and Arab nationalism summed up in the Mufti's intifadahs of the 1920s and 1930s. Great Britain caved in time and time again to it.

That is why you have the White Paper of 1922. It, in effect, gives the Palestinians a home. Transjordan. Now, I'm not naive enough to think that the British did that out of the goodness of their heart. No, they did it to control the region through the Heshemite king.

The White Paper of 1939, which effectively reversed the mandate by impeding Jewish immigration at the time of Nazi persecution answered one thing... Arab displeasure at the strength of the Jews in the land. The White Paper of 1939 placed strict quotas on Jewish immigration for 5 years. When that time limit expired, it would be left to the Arabs to decide whether Jewish immigration could continue.

So, the Jews, who were promised a homeland... with Arab approval... (King Faisal, speaking for all Arabs in 1919 signed on to the Balfour Declaration)... were systematically hosed by Great Britain and the world in the face of Arab pressure. They lost more than 75% of the land when Transjordan was formed. They lost another 50% (approximately) with the UN Partition Plan of 1947.

Now, the Arabs rejected the UN Partition Plan of 1947 and launched a genocidal war against Israel. Which was repeated in 1956, 1967, 1973... and two intifadahs... one in the late 1980's and one that began in 2000.

The settlements are not illegal. That is a fact. Israel purposely kept settlements out of the Oslo Accords because by law they have the right to build there. They have the right, given to them by the League of Nations in 1922 (San Remo) to settle on the Mandated land... all of if, then it was slowly taken away from them.

Where are the Jews stealing, lying, and cheating? Where? Because the Palestinians say they are? Absurd! The truth of the matter (and that is what counts) is Israel has the right to the land by law. They have the right to settle. And the West is terribly afraid of the Arabs and have consistently made the Jews give up what is theirs.

In 1939, when the Jews pressed the British government to throw open the immigration flood gates so that the Jews could escape from Nazi Germany... the British declined. Their reason: "They are just Jews..." That account comes from Conor Cruise O'Brien's book The Siege. I believe that... because I have seen it in principle since I have been old enough to understand politics.

[LaraCroft]

Your own bigotry is ugly.

I cannot and have no desire to understand people like you.

Your arguments are not holding any sway though...I suggest you stop wasting your time and go post on Taliban Online. There are none here who will fall for your propaganda.

[LaraCroft]

Excellent responses since the whole reason these are being posted is in reply to the murderous rampage by muslims in response to an anti-muslim cartoon.

But it's OK for them to do it, they are telling the truth right?

What do muslims drive besides a suicide bomb, killing as many innocents as possible?

[OReilly]

Your own bigotry is ugly.

Interesting variation on the Antisemitic label for something you disagree with. Why don't you ask Jim for a bigotry button?

Also, interesting choice of words, 'your own bigotry'; do you mean as opposed to your's or most of the other poster's bigotry?

[LaraCroft]

I mean of course the bigotry of the Arab, I mean Muslim people. Your bigotry in contrast to theirs.

You see, it is not bigotry to dislike someone based upon their actions. You can dislike a murderer, child molestor or suicide bomber. I speak for myself when I say that the problem I have with Islam is the hatred and bigotry and anti-semitism they SHOUT from every pulpit.

On the other hand, it IS bigotry to hate someone because they are jewish, or black or white or christian.

Get it?

[LaraCroft]

Oh.. and I don't need a bigotry button.... WE, unlike Muslim strongholds have free speech, and I can speak for myself, silly girl that I am.

Nice to know I won't be drug out in the street, raped and killed for my views or my daring to state them.

God Bless America.

[OReilly]

You see, it is not bigotry to dislike someone based upon their actions.

Thanks for making my point. The Jew in the first cartoon, is saying very much what Yitzhak Shamir admitted when he lost. He even added, I would have continued to negotiate for the next ten years, while continuing to build settlements.

[Phoenicks]

The same type of anti-Jewish cartoons were published in Nazi Germany. Birds of a feather. The same enemy, with the same goals.

[LaraCroft]

I don't think the bigotry was in what was being said, I think the bigotry was in the look of it. The Jewish person was wild eyed, like a maniac, hair everywhere, big nose, almost evil look, while the Arab was calm, good and 'normal' looking.

Why do you hate Jewish people?