If smoking is so BAD for us, why don't they just BAN tobacco and save everyone all this grief!
Posted on 12/25/2002 7:17:34 PM PST by Sub-Driver
Bar patrons receive free cigarettes from tobacco companies
Wednesday December 25, 2002
By MELISSA MANSFIELD Associated Press Writer
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) Tobacco companies say they're just out pitching their products, handing out free packs of cigarettes to smokers in clubs and pubs around New York, trying to get them to switch brands.
Anti-smoking advocates, though, call the free smokes a way to get the casual smoker to puff regularly.
Though these giveaway programs started in primarily larger cities such as New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago, now patrons in smaller cities including Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Huntington can find free packs of smokes in trendier bars.
``Selling something that is killing people is bad enough, but to give it away is kind of unbelievable,'' said Andria Bentley, a 19-year-old political science major at the University at Albany student who has seen the sampling at local bars.
At Lark Tavern, Camel representatives often appear on weekends or during live music sets, looking for smokers. They ask those with cigarettes if they would like two free packs, take their IDs to scan and return with the Camels most similar to their regular brand. Called the Camel Club, first launched in 1994, the program has been in Albany since the spring of 2001.
``We are trying to get these adult smokers to switch to our brands,'' said David Howard, spokesman for R.J. Reynolds.
Marcy Wamp, director of the New York State College Alliance Against Tobacco, disagreed. ``Their purpose is to get social, 'once in a while' smokers to become regular customers,'' she said.
The alliance is on many campuses statewide, including Cornell University, Hartwick College, Niagara University and the State University of New York at Brockport.
Wamp compared the free samples to those given out by cookie companies, except cookies are not ``highly addictive substances.''
``If someone does not want to participate, they don't have to,'' countered Howard. The representatives go to smoker-friendly places with age restrictions and only communicate with those who are already smokers, he said.
David Adelman, tobacco analyst for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, agrees that the free samples encourages brand switching.
``If you aren't a smoker, I don't think it's going to affect you at all,'' he said.
``Everybody likes free stuff,'' said Lark Tavern owner G.E. Maugere. The nonsmoker did not contact the company to do promotions and doesn't believe the giveaways increase foot traffic because representatives show up when the bar is already busy.
``The Camel fairies are wonderful,'' said smoker Conner Bambrick, 24, who works for a nonprofit group. He has seen them in many settings, including concerts. He said he has often thought of quitting smoking, treating a pack of cigarettes as though it were his last, but then the ``fairies'' appear.
Bambrick has never chosen one bar over another for the chance of getting free cigarettes, though Howard said the program helps foot traffic in venues. Venues that sign up for the program receive ashtrays, napkins and other promotional merchandise, as well as money toward events such as bands.
Howard said the company does not sell the information scanned off the IDs or give it to any third parties but adds the names and addresses to product mailing lists.
Since the Master Settlement Agreement in 1998, which banned tobacco companies from targeting youth in advertising, other programs, like these giveaways, have sprung up around the country.
``College students are becoming increasingly aware of how they are targeted by the tobacco industry's advertising tactics,'' said Toni Gauthier, substance abuse specialist at Nazareth College in Rochester, where club promotions have also been taking place. Gauthier is an adviser for the college's Peer Heath Educators program.
``Peer educators like ours at Nazareth College are speaking up, speaking out and taking action,'' she said.
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On the Web:
www.nyscaat.org New York State College Alliance Against Tobacco
www.rjrt.com R.J. Reynolds tobacco company
If smoking is so BAD for us, why don't they just BAN tobacco and save everyone all this grief!
Stupid moron! I hardly think they were giving the free cigarettes to KIDS!!!!!
Shouldn't that have been, 'Albany student who has been seen sampling at the local bars.?'
These clowns aren't nearly that entertaining. The difference of course is the temperance folks worshipped God, not the state.
Uh - YEAH -they've been doing this for as long as I can remember. It's' called marketing.
Anti-smoking advocates, though, call the free smokes a way to get the casual smoker to puff regularly.
Translation: Whiney nannies don't think adults are capable of making their own decision.
Though these giveaway programs started in primarily larger cities such as New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago, now patrons in smaller cities including Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Huntington can find free packs of smokes in trendier bars.
Good Grief. These type promotions have been going on all over the place for more than 20 years. Does any one else remember those little packs of either 4 or 6 cigs that Philip Morris used to hand out? Those are illegal in most, if not all states, becaause of these stupid anti-smokers.
All the antis want is the total prohibition of not only any form of tobacco advertising, but of smokers and tobacco period. That is the ultimate goal.
I am so overly sick and tired of these people that have nothing better to do with taxpayers money that abuse the very taxpayers paying their salaries.
This has got nothing to do with targetting "youth." everywhere in the good old USofA one must be 21 to enter an establishment that sells alcohol - which means they are only dealing with adults.
And these promotions have been going on for much longer than the claim of the 1998 MSA. I remember them in the early 80s.
I couldn't agree more. It's not like they are forcing anybody, under the threat of a gun, or whip, etc. to take some free cigs. Oh and I DON'T smoke, but I think they have a right to smoke if they want to!
Controlling peoples lives by controlling what they consume is bad enough without screaming this blather about killing people WE make our own damn decisions liberals bullsplatter is not needed nor wanted Unless of course the people you are talking to are already sheep
HEY, What the hell is a 19 year old doing in all these bars????
Funny, She has big problems with other people enjoying a legal product but seems to have no problem breaking the law to enjoy an illegal product for herself. The hypocrisy of the antismokers is just unbelievable
And somehow I don't think she has a problem getting a buyback or free drinks during happy hour.
Since when is a college student considered a kid? Last I heard, they were young adults. And how would a "kid" be allowed in a BAR?!
Last "I" heard.......Tobacco is a LEGAL COMMODITY. Why AREN'T they allowed to pitch their product?!!
Well, my God, how many times have you gone into a super market, and someone has a table set up to "try their product?" Little samples to eat! What's the difference I ask you? Tobacco IS a legal commodity for heavens sake!!!!!
Intro: ALBANY, N.Y. -- Tobacco companies say they're just out pitching their products, handing out free packs of cigarettes to smokers in clubs and pubs around New York, trying to get them to switch brands.
Anti-smoking advocates, though, call the free smokes a way to get the casual smoker to puff regularly.
Though these giveaway programs started in primarily larger cities such as New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago, now patrons in smaller cities including Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Huntington can find free packs of smokes in trendier bars.
"Selling something that is killing people is bad enough, but to give it away is kind of unbelievable," said Andria Bentley, a 19-year-old political science major at the University at Albany student who has seen the sampling at local bars.
At Lark Tavern, Camel representatives often appear on weekends or during live music sets, looking for smokers. They ask those with cigarettes if they would like two free packs, take their IDs to scan and return with the Camels most similar to their regular brand. Called the Camel Club, first launched in 1994, the program has been in Albany since the spring of 2001.
"We are trying to get these adult smokers to switch to our brands," said David Howard, spokesman for R.J. Reynolds.
Marcy Wamp, director of the New York State College Alliance Against Tobacco, disagreed. "Their purpose is to get social, 'once in a while' smokers to become regular customers," she said.
The alliance is on many campuses statewide, including Cornell University, Hartwick College, Niagara University and the State University of New York at Brockport. . .
"The Camel fairies are wonderful," said smoker Conner Bambrick, 24, who works for a nonprofit group. He has seen them in many settings, including concerts. He said he has often thought of quitting smoking, treating a pack of cigarettes as though it were his last, but then the "fairies" appear. . .
Venues that sign up for the program receive ashtrays, napkins and other promotional merchandise, as well as money toward events such as bands.
Can someone please tell me that if tobacco is so deadly, why aren't the anti's banning it instead of spewing all their stupid lies??!!
Too funny. LOL!
This giveaway must be stopped, not just for the children, but for Conner, who's often "thought" of quitting, but keeps getting tricked by fairies.
Non profit my arse!
I hear they are getting their rights now. LOL! Can't discrimnate against FAIRIES! haha
Or she's simply heard about the give-aways and is lying. We all know there is nothing these types wouldn't resort to in order to gain power over others. Quite honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that Andria started a give-away program herself so she could condemn it and boost her own "heroine" status.
Probably a gopher they sent out to make statements to the press.
"Their purpose is to get social, ´once in a while´ smokers to become regular customers," she [Nancy Wamp] said.
Wamp compared the free samples to those given out by cookie companies, except cookies are not "highly addictive substances."
If cigarettes contain "highly addictive substances" how can there possibly even be such things as "casual smokers" and "social, once in a while smokers"?
These little control freaks get on my nerves!
Exactly! If tobacco and smoking is so darn dangerous, why don't they just BAN the darn stuff and save everyone all this grief.
We know the answer to that, though, don't we??
"Who was that masked man chick", someone dared ask? A bold voice from the rear of the crowd answered, "That was the Lone Ranger! "Carrie Nation's granddaughter!"
"Figures," one commented while stacking the corpses wiping the foam from his face and trying to re-light a wet cigarette.
DITTO !!!!!
SheLion, they are banning it completely...they're just doing it a little at a time.
Remember, antis and politicians are not necessarily one and the same. But once the frog's in the pot and the heat is on (if the frog doesn't fight back), by deceiving the non-participating part of the population who then pressure the politicians, they "tax, restrict and humiliate" us into de facto prohibition. Then it's just a short step to total legislated prohibition. Stan-the-Sham Glantz predicts that tobacco use will be illegal within ten years. If people (not you, m'dear, or the others here who see the truth) don't wake up and say "ENOUGH!" he'll be right.
Maybe if they worked a little harder, they'd make a profit.
Of course Andria is absotively correct in her assessment. And since this product is so deadly and everyone who smokes knows it, the obvious thing to do is to arrest every smoker for attempting suicide. </sarcasm>
Max, I didn't word that right. I meant "Tobacco." If smoking and tobacco is so deadly after hundreds of years, why don't they just ban TOBACCO and save everyone all this grief.
But! We all know WHY they won't ban TOBACCO! Too much money lining their pockets.
Oh believe me! They ARE making a profit! They are using the Tobacco Settlement money to which the smokers who pay taxes on cigarettes are paying 100%. NOT the government and NOT Big Tobacco. But the SMOKERS!
The anti's are using the smokers tax money to ban, control and restrict us. The Tobacco Settlement money was supposed to be used for education and health care for sick smokers on welfare IF there was any. But the lawmakers formed coalitions that are feeding at the trough of the tobacco money. And who suffers? The smokers! That's why they won't ban tobacco..........they want to continue to suck the money out of us!
Max, "they" did this with alcohol back in the 20's. The liquor industry came back strong. I believe if they "try" to do this with tobacco, the same thing will happen. I'm just not going to worry about that at this time.
Yeah, I stopped buying from the tobacco manufacturers participating in the "Settlement", since their prices went sky-high to fund it. Now what taxes I do pay don't contribute towards it, yuk-yuk, and the price of a carton is about 50% of what Camels now cost.
Point taken. In this area (Delaware) only those establishments selling alcohol that also have a restaurant license are allowed to admit those under 21. My comment was leaning more along those lines - but you are correct.
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