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A true police state (Zimbabwe)
Jewish World Review ^
| Dec. 26, 2002
| Nat Hentoff
Posted on 12/26/2002 6:09:01 AM PST by SJackson
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:09:01 AM PST
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SJackson
To: SJackson
Another triumph of African socialism
To: SJackson
Question: When do we start bombing?
Answers: ???
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:14:03 AM PST
by
2banana
To: 2banana
Question: When do we start bombing?Just curious, why would WE start bombing? This is an African problem, let Mandela step in and mediate the problem.
To: 2banana
And this is our fault because...
To: 2banana
Question: When do we start bombing? I wouldn't want to waste the cost of one 500 lb bomb on that sh*t hole. Yes, it's fustrating to read the news coming out of that horrible place, but history has shown us that there can be no 'civilized' Africa. They are animals, let them kill each other off.
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:21:21 AM PST
by
Pern
To: Sir_Humphrey
"...Another triumph of African socialism... Regarding Muga-buga... Senator Byrd might say: "You can take the boy out of the jungle, but you just can't take the jungle out of the boy."
We need to tell Mugabe that we're going to kill him if he doesn't straighten up and fly right.
And then we need to kill him anyway, even if he does, just to show any other would-be jungle overlords waiting in the wings how difficult we are to please.
Next Problem...
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:23:14 AM PST
by
DWSUWF
To: Cuttnhorse
We can't help Africa because WE are the problem. See, we are evil white colonialists, so lets just stay out of it an let the enlightened Africans solve the situation.
To: Pern
While your take on the situation is tempting, I don't agree. I lived and worked in the boonies in eastern Africa for almost 2-years and there is a lot of reason for hope for Africa...but real change may not occur in my lifetime.
Africa's problems are many, but there remains tremendous opportunities, both in human and natural resources. Africa will never free itself of seemingly insurmountable problems until African nations start getting rid of lunatics like Mugabe.
To: SJackson
Mugabe - the new Dem hero and spokesperson..."they would not have to die if only they could agree with and adore me.."
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:41:03 AM PST
by
trebb
To: Cuttnhorse
we pay outrageous "dues" to the u.n.
aren't "they" supposed to use it for situations just like this?
c'mon kofi anonymous; shake loose some shekles; feed these people...NOW!
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:45:52 AM PST
by
hoot2
To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Alouette; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Optimist; weikel; ...
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posted on
12/26/2002 6:46:17 AM PST
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SJackson
To: hoot2
aren't "they" supposed to use it for situations just like this?That is a great question.
To: Cuttnhorse
We shouldn't start bombing Zimbabwe (and I wonder if the orginal post suggesting we do so was unmarked sarcasm), but that said, there was less reason to bomb Serbia and Serbian troops in Kosovo than there would be to target a truly genocidal regime in Zimbabwe -- and half a dozen other African countries.
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posted on
12/26/2002 7:10:50 AM PST
by
Scribe35
To: 2banana
More important questions:
What will Nelson Mandela do to call world attention to Mugabe's oppression?
When will Jimmy Carter arrive on the scene to negotiate an end to this?
How can Kofi Annan blame it all on the United States?
Will Jessie Jackson call on his vast finacial resources to alleviate the mass hunger?
Can Bill Clinton feel their pain (between BJs)?
To: Cuttnhorse
While your take on the situation is tempting, I don't agree. I lived and worked in the boonies in eastern Africa for almost 2-years and there is a lot of reason for hope for Africa...but real change may not occur in my lifetime.
And all the Africans I've known over the years (Zimbabwe, Sudan, Rwanda) have been gracious, optimistic, good people, entirely lacking in the cynicism that seems to permeate so many blacks in the U.S.. A major problem is that too many people have partaken of the specious idea that all people everywhere in the world are all open to some kind of spirit of progress and conclude that because some places are more ethically or technologically advanced it is because those particular people are inherently smarter or better than those who are not.
The spread of civilization and humane society has been contingent on many different factors--some of them simply geographical and meteorological. Sometimes one sees a confluence of many particularly good things such as the Judeo/Christian attitude to physical labor and inventiveness with the scholasticism of the medieval monks. When these were set in the context of a more northern Europe not so bound to the mentality of the Roman world and then combined with Medieval Climate Optimum, there were optimum conditions for advances on all sorts of fronts.
One of the really big problems in Africa was that so many of the really intelligent youngsters were sent off to school in Europe and thoroughly infected by socialism/communism and returned with the belief that 1. all woes were caused by white imperialists and 2. they would disappear when the white imperialists, their culture, and their laws were destroyed. Combine this with the too prevalant human tendency toward avarice and you have a recipe for disaster such as seen in the lust to appropriate the wealth of both white and black farmers in Zimbabwe.
Whatever the problems of the continent of Africa are, they don't come from people who are too inherently childish or too far down on some imaginary evolutionary ladder to do any better.
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posted on
12/26/2002 7:46:24 AM PST
by
aruanan
To: *AfricaWatch; Clive
To: Scribe35
...there was less reason to bomb Serbia and Serbian troops in Kosovo than there would be to target a truly genocidal regime in Zimbabwe -- and half a dozen other African countries. And we can all see how great Serbia is doing today, not to mention Somalia. So where do we stop with the "humanitarian" missions? Why not start bombing Cuba? Then there's always Venezuela. And let's don't forget China and North Korea while we're at it. There are mean people all over this world and I don't think we're able to make everyone nice just because we want it that way. When our safety and economic factors come into play (Iraq) it's time for action. Otherwise, it's sad but true, these people have to work things out for themselves.
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posted on
12/26/2002 9:14:04 AM PST
by
zingzang
To: Pern; SJackson
If there is no such thing as a civilized Africa, then tell me about Rhodesia. I long for the day Rhodesia is restored and the green and white flag flies over Salsbury again.
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posted on
12/26/2002 9:46:16 AM PST
by
Sparta
To: Pern
Yes, it's fustrating to read the news coming out of that horrible place, but history has shown us that there can be no 'civilized' Africa. They are animals, let them kill each other off.No, they are not animals. They just must made the mistake of listening to the advice of western intellectuals that told them that socialism was the quickest way to develop a backward nation. If we do not want to see such misery and evil in our world, we must spread the word that socialism is unadulterated evil and produces only starvation and misery. We must be proud of the market system and rule of law because IT WORKS and because it is moral.
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