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U.S. ready to unleash weapons
Washington Times ^ | 12.26.02 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/26/2002 7:22:15 AM PST by rs79bm

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Army plans to quickly deploy its new Shadow 200 spy plane if the United States goes to war against Iraq. In the Persian Gulf, the Navy has America's newest attack jet the F-18 Super Hornet ready for its first extended wartime action.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 12/26/2002 7:22:15 AM PST by rs79bm
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To: rs79bm
"Here come the planes...
They're American planes,
Made in America.
Smoking?
Or non-smoking..."

2 posted on 12/26/2002 7:25:18 AM PST by mhking
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To: rs79bm
"in the early hours of the war in Afghanistan, an armed Predator saw Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar escaping Kandahar. Permission to fire the Predator's Hellfire missile was delayed at U.S. Central Command."

Given the smoking crater in Yemen, I trust those gloves are off.

3 posted on 12/26/2002 7:36:51 AM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: rs79bm
In all, the military would bring a new array of weapons, infrared sensors and communications gear to any conflict to change the regime in Baghdad. The new gadgets promise to make the war quicker and less bloody than Desert Storm a decade ago, military analysts say.

I can imagine some of the weaponry or protective devices we have stashed away in case of war. I'd suppose there's a lot we'll never know about unless we're forced to use them.

4 posted on 12/26/2002 7:38:17 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: mhking
Smoking - please...
5 posted on 12/26/2002 7:38:29 AM PST by trebb
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To: rs79bm
I hope this doesn't sound callous, but I hope that we're not going to show the world everything we have in the ranch.With AlQueda still out there and North Korea sounding insane I'd like to think we are going to keep a few aces in the whole hardware wise.

Those items metioned are either well known or barely classified,but knowing the military today , we all know that there's a ton of stuff at places like Groom Lake or Twenty Nine Palms and the like that even the guys at Popular Mechanics or Revell Models haven't been told about yet.

6 posted on 12/26/2002 7:43:56 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: rs79bm
Thanks. Good start to the day!
7 posted on 12/26/2002 7:46:20 AM PST by txhurl
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To: rs79bm
"When you roll it all together, I say we're 10 times more powerful,

Holy Sh!t This does not look good for the opposition:)

8 posted on 12/26/2002 7:48:13 AM PST by vikzilla
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To: xkaydet65
I don't know...wouldn't it be smart to show em what we got so they know exactly what they are messing with? A little deterrence never hurt anyone.
9 posted on 12/26/2002 7:52:39 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: xkaydet65
With AlQueda still out there and North Korea sounding insane I'd like to think we are going to keep a few aces in the whole hardware wise.

I don't think they'd put it out there without a back up already developed. Once the enemy knows what we have, they can devise a way to stop it, or make their own.
I'd think the US military would always stay one step ahead.

10 posted on 12/26/2002 7:54:25 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: rs79bm
The B-2 can carry 16 2,000-pound bombs.

The B-52's can be used for desparately needed post humanitarian purposes after "B-2" strikes and drop the desparately needed "Charmin" over Bahgdad in a carpet bomb fashion.

11 posted on 12/26/2002 7:54:36 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: rs79bm
IF.... IF there is a war with Iraq, we are going to see such whiz-bang stuff that it will make the Gulf War look prehistoric, technology wise. Just recently a test successfully intercepted and destroyed an artillery shell using a laser or particle beam weapon. Amazing! Of course there will be a lot of complaints from left-wingers and Saddam apologists that we are not fighting 'fair'.

And as to the naysayers in the major media - you know who they are - who will be shouting 'quagmire' and Vietnam, they will be severely disappointed to discover that the US military is no longer fighting Vietnam!
12 posted on 12/26/2002 7:54:49 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: xkaydet65
Yup.
13 posted on 12/26/2002 7:55:34 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: Rummyfan
Of course there will be a lot of complaints from left-wingers and Saddam apologists that we are not fighting 'fair'.

LOL. That would happen, too. No doubt!

14 posted on 12/26/2002 7:57:00 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Rummyfan
That technology was demo'd 8 or 9 years ago, but it had many flaws...not the least of which was an accuracy problem. They couldn't even begin to aim the silly bugger!

Now...who knows?
15 posted on 12/26/2002 7:58:24 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: rs79bm
1st Calvary division ?

Hmmm.....

16 posted on 12/26/2002 7:59:22 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: rs79bm
In 1991, the only Navy plane equipped with laser-guided weapons was the since-retired A-6 Intruder.

Huh?

17 posted on 12/26/2002 8:05:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Freebird Forever
Hmmm...

Please explain...

18 posted on 12/26/2002 8:11:35 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
Misspelled.
19 posted on 12/26/2002 8:14:47 AM PST by txhurl
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To: HiJinx
The test Rummyfan was referring to took place just a few months ago. It appears that they've solved the aiming problem. Now they're working on making the laser system mobile. Mobile as in taking up only two semi-trailer type shelters.

Laser systems to destroy Katyusha- and Scud-type missiles are already deployed in Israel. Those are not mobile, however, but are more-or-less fixed.

This stuff was developed jointly with DoD contractors and IAI.
20 posted on 12/26/2002 8:21:32 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
Hmmm...

Please explain...

Calvary - Where Jesus was put to death.

Cavalry - an army component.

21 posted on 12/26/2002 8:23:25 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: jimtorr
Thanks. I'm aware of a few such projects, this is probably the one at...ummm...nevermind!!
22 posted on 12/26/2002 8:26:52 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: mhking
"Smoking?
Or non-smoking..."

heh, heh! good one! I doubt they'll be smoking in the planes, but the enemy targets will be...
23 posted on 12/26/2002 8:27:26 AM PST by FBD
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To: xkaydet65
Groom Lake, isn't that in Area 51? Also where the U-2 spy plane was developed and tested, I believe.
24 posted on 12/26/2002 8:30:21 AM PST by FBD
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To: rs79bm
Anyone remember what became of the F 117 and pilot that crashed in Kosovo/Bosnia
25 posted on 12/26/2002 8:30:22 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules
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To: rs79bm
...the Shadow knows.


26 posted on 12/26/2002 8:32:43 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: rs79bm
Dear Santa,
Thank you for the...oh right, mum's the word. But anyway, I thought you would appreciate it if I ordered next year's gift right away. Can Muttly have a Shadow 200 RQ-7A ? Could your elvi make it so that it could fit a cute little innocent typing dog ? Can it fire the...oops, almost spilled the beans again...the "candycanes" you so generously left under the tree on my backyard launching pa...uh...patio. BTW, I have some beautiful stag grips for your Webley. -PM
27 posted on 12/26/2002 8:44:03 AM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: rs79bm
Col. Warden based his assessment on the fact that in the early hours of the war in Afghanistan, an armed Predator saw Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar escaping Kandahar. Permission to fire the Predator's Hellfire missile was delayed at U.S. Central Command. The reclusive Mullah Omar escaped

"Delayed"? What does that mean? The top brass were out to lunch? Sitting on the can? Arguing about whether or not to shoot the missile?

Technology is all well and good but the human element is still the wild card in any military conflict and parts of this article disturb me.

28 posted on 12/26/2002 8:44:43 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: xkaydet65
Don't we need the latest, most expensive piece of military hardware to take out a guy on a camel or in a cave?
29 posted on 12/26/2002 8:48:00 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: mhking; Poohbah; rdb3; LonghornFreeper; Dog; Miss Marple; Howlin; doug from upland; section9
mhking, this is how I'd put it. Apologies in advance to doug from upland (I am not as good with parodies as he is) and the original artist, Marshall Mathers.

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C'mon folks, we goin to the beach
Grab a couple of toys and let Dubya strap you in the car seat
Oh where's Saddam? He's takin a little nap in the trunk
Oh that smell (whew!) Dubya musta runned over a skunk
Now I know what you're thinkin - it's kind of late to go swimmin
But you know your Saddam, he's one of those type of men
that do crazy things, and if he don't get his way, he'll throw a fit
Don't play with da-da's toy knife, honey, let go of it (no!)
And don't look so upset, why you actin bashful?
Don't you wanna help Dubya build a sand castle? (yeah!)
And Saddam said he wants to show how far he can float
And don't worry about that little boo-boo on his throat
It's just a little scratch - it don't hurt, he was eatin
dinner while you were sweepin and spilled ketchup on his shirt
Saddam's messy isn't he? We'll let him wash off in the water
and me and you can pway by ourselves, can't we?

See honey.. there's a place called heaven and a place called hell
A place called prison and a place called jail
And Saddam's probably on his way to all of em except one
Cause Saddam's got new weapons and a buncha missles
And you don't want weapons do ya? (Nah)
Maybe when you're old enough to understand a little better
I'll explain it to ya
But for now we'll just say Saddam was real real bad
He was bein mean to Bush and made him real real mad
But I still feel sad that I put him on time-out

Wake up sweepy head we're here, before we pway
we're gonna take Saddam for a wittle walk along the pier
Baby, don't cry honey, don't get the wrong idea
Saddam's too sweepy to hear you screamin in his ear (Saddam!)
That's why you can't get him to wake, but don't worry
Dubya made a nice bed for Saddam at the bottom of the lake
Here, you wanna help Dubya tie a rope around this rock? (yeah!)
We'll tie it to his footsie then we'll roll him off the dock
Ready now, here we go, on the count of free..
One.. two.. free.. WHEEEEEE! (whoooooshhhhh)
There goes Saddam, spwashin in the wa-ta
No more fightin wit us, no more UN bullcrap
No more nuclear labs, no more bio-war
Blow him kisses bye-bye, tell Saddam you love him (Saddam!)
Now we'll go play in the sand, build a castle and junk
But first, just help Bush with two more things out the trunk
30 posted on 12/26/2002 8:50:26 AM PST by hchutch
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To: rs79bm

RQ-7 Shadow 200 Tactical UAV
31 posted on 12/26/2002 8:54:37 AM PST by finnman69
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To: mhking
I'll take the non-smoking section, PLEASE!...
pictured below; F/A-18E/F Super Hornet firing a Sidewinder.


33 posted on 12/26/2002 9:08:02 AM PST by FBD
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To: xkaydet65
I hope this doesn't sound callous, but I hope that we're not going to show the world everything we have in the ranch.
I think you may end up disappointed, it seems to be a key part of our strategy to show what we have got.
The doctrine of projection of power(i.e. Teddy Roosevelt, Mahan doctrine, 'walk softly and carry a big stick) would imply laying our cards on the table so to speak, in the hopes that our enemy would surrender, those less committed who harbor them would abandon them for the obvious winner

What can the raghead do with this information, we can attack all the time now, all-weather, from any aircraft, all the time? Nothing but shake in their sandals and reconsider what it is they believe
34 posted on 12/26/2002 9:10:21 AM PST by Scarlet_Pimpernil
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To: US_MilitaryRules
In spite of what may have been said, the F117 was probably shot down by a lucky shot, when the Serbians were launching volleys of missiles.

The pilot was recovered in a dramatic escape and evasion and rescue, if I'm not confusing this guy with another. Important portions of the aircraft ended up in Russia, they had to admit. Where it went from there is anybodies guess.
35 posted on 12/26/2002 9:40:11 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: rs79bm
Great...I hate "leashed weapons"! It is so inconsiderate and affects their self-esteem!
37 posted on 12/26/2002 10:02:51 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: hchutch
MEMO

From: SECDEF Rumsfeld
To: Commander, North American Aerospace Defense Command

Subj: KEEP YOUR PEOPLE IN THE LOOP, PLEASE

1. This morning, I received a disturbing report from the 1st TFW at Langley AFB. It seems that they scrambled two F-15s to intercept an unidentified aircraft late in the evening of 12/24/02.

2. Flight leader was apparently ORDERED to go weapons-free on the target without a visual ID. Flight leader rejected this directive and closed to visual range on the target, whereupon he identified it as a miniature sleigh, propelled by eight tiny reindeer. Pilot was dressed in red fur with white trim. After radio contact was made, the pilot of the sleigh apologized for not remembering to turn on his IFF.

3. It's hard being up in front of the press every day. Having to explain why we waxed Santa on Christmas Eve would've made it a lot more difficult. Make sure your field commanders are briefed on Santa's activities next year.

Rummy
38 posted on 12/26/2002 12:48:06 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Very funny.
39 posted on 12/26/2002 2:12:55 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple; Howlin; mhking
EXCELLENT "Memo from Rummy" on Post 38!!
40 posted on 12/26/2002 4:26:51 PM PST by hchutch
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To: marshmallow
"Delayed"? What does that mean? The top brass were out to lunch? Sitting on the can? Arguing about whether or not to shoot the missile?

There are several versions of the story. The one I heard is that after the Predator acquired Omar, somebody gave the order not to fire because he thought it was improper to attack al queda leadership.

I'm not sure if that is accurate, but around the time that this incident occurred, W told the CIA to Do 'Whatever Necessary' to Kill Bin Laden.

41 posted on 12/26/2002 7:38:26 PM PST by dangermouse
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bttt
42 posted on 12/27/2002 12:36:49 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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