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Fresh debate over human origins
BBC News ^ | 24 December 2002 | staff

Posted on 12/26/2002 8:02:36 AM PST by PatrickHenry

The theory that we are all descended from early humans who left Africa about 100,000 years ago has again been called into question.

US researchers sifting through data from the human genome project say they have uncovered evidence in support of a rival theory.

Most scientists agree with the idea that our ancestors first spread out of Africa about 1.8 million years ago, conquering other lands.

What happened next is more controversial.

The prevailing theory is that a second exodus from Africa replaced all of the local populations, such as Europe's Neanderthals.

Some anthropologists, however, advocate the so-called multiregional theory, that not all the local populations were replaced.

They think some of these ancient people interbred with African hominids, contributing to the gene pool of modern humans.

The new evidence, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, is based on an analysis of data from the human genome project - the effort to map the entire human genetic blueprint.

Blood and bones

Researchers led by Henry Harpending, professor of anthropology at Utah University, studied small differences in human DNA known as single nucleotide polymorphisms.

Studying when these mutations appeared gives a window into the ancient past, allowing scientists to trace the rise and fall of early humans in different parts of the world.

"The new data seem to suggest that early human pioneers moving out of Africa starting 80,000 years ago did not completely replace local populations in the rest of the world," he says. "There is instead some sign of interbreeding."

The study suggests that there was a bottleneck in the human population when ancestors of modern humans colonised Europe about 40,000 years ago.

This is a puzzle because earlier human genetic studies have backed the idea that a rapidly expanding African population spread globally and replaced all local populations.

One possibility is that there was limited interbreeding between humans migrating from Africa and local populations in Europe and elsewhere.

'Open question'

Commenting on the research, Professor Chris Stringer, Head of Human Origins at London's Natural History Museum, said that in the last few years the multiregional model of human evolution had been called into question by new data, much of it genetic, showing our species had a recent African origin.

He told BBC News Online: "Arguments now centre on whether we are recently and entirely Out of Africa, or just mainly so.

"Some replacement models, and some genetic data, suggest no interbreeding at all with archaic peoples outside of Africa, while other replacement models allow limited interbreeding with the locals over the short time scale in which they overlapped.

"This new research suggests there could have been some interbreeding, but as the authors recognise, it could have been limited, and whether it happened at all is still an open question."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: archaeology; creationism; crevolist; evolution; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; multiregionalism; neandertal; origins
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1 posted on 12/26/2002 8:02:37 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
New thread ping.

[This ping list for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. To be included, or dropped, let me know via freepmail.]

2 posted on 12/26/2002 8:03:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Quick, hide this thread from f.Christian!
3 posted on 12/26/2002 8:11:14 AM PST by Saturnalia
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To: PatrickHenry
What's amusing is that ancient man/dinosaurs are assumed to be most abundant where fossils are most easily found today - in dry, arid climates. Suppose man really started in Greenland, how would anyone know without a fossil record (which would now be under miles of ice)? It's fun to theorize but remember the data set is highly skewed.
5 posted on 12/26/2002 8:29:27 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: Gary Boldwater
It may be skewed, but it sure is fun to try to figure out!!
6 posted on 12/26/2002 8:36:20 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm not comfortable with the notion that early man ventured forth simply out of curiosity; another problem I have is the obvious pigmentation differences among people of different geographical distributions while most modern mixed breeds tend to the darker parent almost exclusively.

The accepted notion of African origin is supported by the fossil record and the assumption that a benign climate acted as a stress-reducer for survival of offspring prior to established tribes or communes, but why would a satisfied animal leave such a benign climate?

All of this is too much for my small mind.

7 posted on 12/26/2002 8:36:28 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: PatrickHenry
"This new research suggests there could have been some interbreeding, but as the authors recognise, it could have been limited, and whether it happened at all is still an open question."

Sounds like a conclusive "maybe, maybe not."

Anyway, where are the Zdenek Burian pictures?




8 posted on 12/26/2002 8:41:30 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Saturnalia
FR extreme left wing whacks...

Welcome!

Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

What are you conserving...the left lunatic fringe---post fringe?
9 posted on 12/26/2002 9:10:50 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry; All
More evo tripe...

Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of liberal tripe...

10 posted on 12/26/2002 9:26:09 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Have you ever been diagnosed as bi-polar?
11 posted on 12/26/2002 9:51:10 AM PST by stanz
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To: f.Christian
One question for you:

Who created God?
12 posted on 12/26/2002 9:57:38 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: Gary Boldwater
Now we are all in trouble, F.Christian has found the thread and will have a heyday tossing in his mindless drivel.

Do what others have learned to do.

Ignore him.
13 posted on 12/26/2002 10:30:14 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: ProudAmerican1974
The problem with the studies showing no Neanderthal genetic information in the modern Human genome is that the genetic information was taken only from two Neanderthal specimens. This is not near the number of specimens needed to determine that.
14 posted on 12/26/2002 10:41:02 AM PST by Sentis
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To: Aric2000
Is he open loop or does he respond to questions?
16 posted on 12/26/2002 11:01:52 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: Gary Boldwater
He'll respond, it is just a matter of figuring out whether it's an answer or not.

I think there is a code, but I don't think any of us have figured it out yet.

Maybe you have to be a whacked out, bi-polar, medicated, hardcore fundamentalist Christian to understand, and since MOST of us aren't any of those things, it's kind of hard to get the code down.
17 posted on 12/26/2002 11:05:22 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Gary Boldwater
What Gary Boldwater said:

"One question for you:

Who created God?"

(heh heh) Most EXCELLENT question, Gary!

What's the answer?

I also like your screen name, Barry ;)




18 posted on 12/26/2002 11:11:21 AM PST by JusticeLives
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To: ProudAmerican1974
I doubt they evolved into humans they may have been a type of modern Human that was cold weather adapted or they were not so far different genetically from modern Humans that they couldn't breed into the incoming population. Either way past studies that suggest Neanderthal genes are not present in Modern populations are flawed. Never trust genetic studies by European scientists done in the past few years. There seems to have been a resurgence in the type of bad science that the Nazis participated in. They have no wish to be related to the Neanderthal and skew studies to show that european populations aren't related.
19 posted on 12/26/2002 11:13:51 AM PST by Sentis
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To: stanz
If you check f,christian has posted that same string of words on every evolution thread. It is actually in his Free republic bio along with every other string of words he posts.
20 posted on 12/26/2002 11:16:34 AM PST by Sentis
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