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Attack on North Korea Betting Pool
AmericanInTokyo ^ | 26 December 2002 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 12/26/2002 1:17:13 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

It seems like an attack on North Korea could come in the next year or so.

Place your bet as to when the attack will begin.

Whoever gets closest to the date and time wins.

Attack time must be specified in Month, Day, and Year

For specifying any hour, don't forget to specify what time zone you are referring to.

There is no decision on a prize to be awarded yet except for bragging rights.

(with thanks to Freeper Momaw Nadon).


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OK, money where the mouth is. I'll go first.

Tuesday (early a.m. Korean Peninsula time) July 29, 2003

1 posted on 12/26/2002 1:17:13 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
June 15, 2003

Before dawn Korean time
2 posted on 12/26/2002 1:20:45 PM PST by Sparta
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I hate to be so negative, but can we take a bet on how many Allied cities get nuked? I say two American and three Japanese cities go up.
3 posted on 12/26/2002 1:21:52 PM PST by Sparta
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To: AmericanInTokyo
2 am(Korean Time) May 1,2003
4 posted on 12/26/2002 1:22:27 PM PST by Dog
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Its easy. Iraq does not have any nukes yet so we will threaten to attack it, pressure it with war talk, humiliate its leadership and attack it at will.

North Korea has nukes and WMD and therefore we we will NEVER threaten to attack it, NEVER pressure it with war talk, NEVER humiliate its leadership and WILL NOT attack it at will. We will even allow it to finish deliveries on scud missiles we seize on the high seas to Yemen.

This sends a very clear message heard round the world; If you do not have nukes and WMD the USA will treat you like Yugoslavia and Iraq if you develop nukes and WMD (and the ability to deliver them) in time you will be treated with distance and respect like we treat Pakistan, and North Korea.

That is why I know Iraq does not have online nukes (chemical and bio weapons are 19th century technology so it is very possible the Iraqis can make and use them with little difficulty) at the moment because we are bullying Iraq around at will UNLIKE how we are treating North Korea.

5 posted on 12/26/2002 1:26:13 PM PST by Destro
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Attack on North Korea Betting Pool

Who attacked the betting pool? Where? When? How many bettors dead? Wounded? On the other hand, that'll learn 'em to engage in illegal gambling activities!

6 posted on 12/26/2002 1:27:27 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Sparta; AmericanInTokyo; Dog
I forgot to add my time when we will attack North Korea. The time is never for reasons cited above.
7 posted on 12/26/2002 1:27:50 PM PST by Destro
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To: Sparta
I hate to be so negative, but can we take a bet on how many Allied cities get nuked? I say two American and three Japanese cities go up.

We know where their launchers are, and they'd be first hit. Plus which, we put an Aegis ABM ship off the NK coast to catch any missiles that they do manage to launch. Then we hit the nuke plants and associated processing facilities. Then we hit Kim Jong Il, and make sure the North Koreans know about it.

And to top it off, we send several hundred sorties by B-52s along the front line, to chew up any NK troops who refuse the order to surrender.

The North Koreans know this is what will happen, and they figure we haven't got the ABM capability in place yet, which is why they're being belligerent now. My guess is, we've got a better system than we've let anybody know about.

8 posted on 12/26/2002 1:27:57 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Revolting cat!
....take a short, one second pause and breath before "Korea" and "Betting" ;-) Otherwise, check Momaw's post on Iraq; it's the same syntax!
9 posted on 12/26/2002 1:29:21 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Will not happen in 2003 and maybe not in 2004. My guess is a lot of internal working to change leaders.
10 posted on 12/26/2002 1:30:49 PM PST by KeyWest
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To: Sparta
My guess is part of Seoul and maybe, just maybe a couple of air bases. NK is unlikely to have anything better than a Nagasaki type bomb, 15-20 kilotons.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were basically small towns, albeit very crowded ones, and quite flimsily built. Results there do not accurately predict the effects in larger, more modern and more heavily built areas.
As for the attack itself, it is quite likely that NK's human freak show of a dictator, Kim Jong Il, will attempt an opportunistic attack as soon as the balloon goes up in Iraq. My guess: 1200 GMT, January 26, 2003
11 posted on 12/26/2002 1:31:16 PM PST by atomic conspiracy
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To: KeyWest
thank you. any others?
12 posted on 12/26/2002 1:31:25 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Place your bet as to when the attack will begin. Whoever gets closest to the date and time wins.

When's the election? Nov. 2004?

My guess is September 15, 2004.

13 posted on 12/26/2002 1:32:54 PM PST by copycat
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To: KeyWest
kamsahamnidda. (thanks)
14 posted on 12/26/2002 1:35:14 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I predict North Korean nuclear plants are reduced to rubble July 4, 2003 by a massive bolt of lightning. Or, maybe it will be on the "Great Leader's" birthday, whichever is first. (Crystal ball is cloudy.) I also HOPE this happens.
15 posted on 12/26/2002 1:37:35 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:30 p.m. Eastern Time

not that I have a DOD plan, but just call it a hunch.....

16 posted on 12/26/2002 1:39:22 PM PST by LiberalsWorstNightmare
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To: Tax Government
If I am not mistaken, the so-called great leader's (Kim il Sung?) birthday is in April. At any rate, he is iced under glass case. One hopes they they would neutron that place, too.
17 posted on 12/26/2002 1:40:57 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The time of our attack can be most precisely stated as "long overdue".
18 posted on 12/26/2002 1:48:56 PM PST by per loin
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To: per loin
in the pool?
19 posted on 12/26/2002 1:49:30 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Put thc in their drinking water and they won't stop talking about their libidos and the fed reserve sytem(same as iraq)!
20 posted on 12/26/2002 1:53:16 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: AmericanInTokyo
July 4th, 2029. When Kim dies, the NK military sues for peace. Starving NK refugees flood South across the mined border with 15% casualties.

Until then, we wait. Bill Clinton let this nuclear cat out of the bag, and millions more North Koreans will pay for it by starving to death. We will build a strong box, and they will rot within it.

Damned shame, that.

21 posted on 12/26/2002 1:57:07 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: AmericanInTokyo
There will be no attack

China and Japan will resolve the problem.

22 posted on 12/26/2002 1:57:45 PM PST by bert
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To: Destro
thanks.

thread: bookmarked.

IMHO, it'll pick up speed/intensity in the future, my guess, there will be a few less jokes and more specificity on the predictions... :-)

23 posted on 12/26/2002 2:02:42 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Interesting topic. I'd rather error too early than too late. Let's say May 15, 2003, at 12 am Pyongpyang time.
24 posted on 12/26/2002 2:16:38 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I am usually an upbeat kind a guy, but this NK thang looks grim. I think we will have to take it out prior to the NK recovering plutonium from the reactor rods. I pick 2/12/03.
26 posted on 12/26/2002 2:23:22 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Never. The Chinese have far more reason to prevent NK from being actively nuclear - it's no secret that country can fall apart at basically any time, and any missile that can reach the US can hit anything in China.

This stuff about NK is a tempest in a teapot. Let's get our troops out of the South and let the local powers handle the fruitcakes. By the time NK can reach us with missiles we will be able to shoot them down. Time to let the heavy hitters over there clean up their own neighborhood. China wants to be taken seriously as a global player? Let's give them the chance to show what they would do about a lunatic with nukes on their border.
27 posted on 12/26/2002 2:24:18 PM PST by thoughtomator
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To: Sparta
I hate to be so negative, but can we take a bet on how many Allied cities get nuked? I say two American

They don't have the delivery system - ICBMs - necessary to get the warheads over here.

29 posted on 12/26/2002 2:34:40 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: JackRyanCIA
China is deterrable - they have something to lose. And if they're busy dealing with a failed and starving nation with a nuclear-armed crackpot at the helm, that's resources that might otherwise go to plotting against us. Win/win situation IMO.
30 posted on 12/26/2002 2:37:34 PM PST by thoughtomator
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To: AmericanInTokyo; bert
I agree with bert. We can't attack NK without going to war with China. If anyone pulls the rug from The Great Leader, it will come at the hands of the PRC.
31 posted on 12/26/2002 2:44:50 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Revolting cat!
June 25, 2003...if I recall that's the date the commies charged across in 50!
dk
32 posted on 12/26/2002 3:01:39 PM PST by notdownwidems
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To: Destro
The time is never for reasons cited above.

I am afraid, I am with you. And I will go a step further. I predict we have 3 more rogue nuclear powers by Summer 2004. Most likely-Iran. Possibly Syria and some other 3rd world Islamic hellhole.

33 posted on 12/26/2002 3:02:32 PM PST by riri
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To: AmericanInTokyo
February 5, 2003. Around noon EST. In other words, right around the time we become fully engaged in battle with Iraq. That's when NK will try something stupid, using the "Americans no longer have enough military to fight two wars at once" gambit. And NK will discover they're wrong.
34 posted on 12/26/2002 3:06:17 PM PST by Timesink
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Were not going to attack North Korea at all.
35 posted on 12/26/2002 3:39:36 PM PST by Husker24
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Were not going to attack North Korea at all.

No, we are not.

Why should we? An attack on North Korea, presumably led by American aircraft using precision guided munitions, would not be overwhelmingly successful. The North Koreans have become master miners, and have built important installations into their mountain ranges. There are places that JDAM's simply could not reach.

All it takes is one North Korean missile to get through and vaporize Shibuya or Yokosuka and we'd be in seriously deep shit diplomatically.

See, Kim Jong-Il is going down on his own. His "demands" are part of a shakedown operation. He thinks he can scream and shake his fist and that Bush will react just as Clinton did. Kim doesn't know who he's dealing with.

Basically, we've told him to go f%#k off. Kim can't stand that. He watched daddy buffalo Jimmy Carter and the Toon, and believes the same scam will work again. We're going to pursue this diplomatically. The North Korean regime has to come a cropper sometime, and it will probably be sooner rather than later.

No attack on NK. We don't need to.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

36 posted on 12/26/2002 4:17:02 PM PST by section9
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To: thoughtomator
" Let's get our troops out of the South and let the local powers handle the fruitcakes. By the time NK can reach us with missiles we will be able to shoot them down. Time to let the heavy hitters over there clean up their own neighborhood. China wants to be taken seriously as a global player? Let's give them the chance to show what they would do about a lunatic with nukes on their border."

Unfortunately, there is a flaw with the otherwise appealing isolationist approach - PROLIFERATION. NK will sell anything to anybody. They are desperate for cash. I am skeptical an embargo would be effective. Barring an unlikely diplomatic breakthrough (NK capitulation) only military options remain.
37 posted on 12/26/2002 4:18:55 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
I think a move to remove troops from SK is a wise move. It will force the brats in SK to put up or shut up. They need to pull the weight of their own national defence.

It may force them to deal realistically with the North, and crack down on this Northern instigated Anti-Americanism.

38 posted on 12/26/2002 5:57:28 PM PST by zarf
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To: zarf
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, such a move does not address the potentially catostrophic proliferation issue.

If NK nukes any of its neighbors, its a tragedy but it aint us. However, if NK sells a bomb to Al Qaida buh bye NYC.
39 posted on 12/26/2002 6:00:22 PM PST by Maynerd
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I say nail the sods NOW before they have the capability of reaching mainland USA . If the NKs manage to get off a bomb to Seoul or Shibuya , hey , it's better than one hitting NY or LA , right ? Screw world opinion and the U.N.
40 posted on 12/26/2002 6:06:17 PM PST by sushiman
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To: r9etb
What worries me is a pre-emptive strike by NK. A small nuke detonated of the coast of Japan near a US military base for example could seriously hamper a US response.
41 posted on 12/26/2002 6:10:24 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: section9
An attack on North Korea...would not be overwhelmingly successful....There are places that JDAM's simply could not reach.

...His "demands" are part of a shakedown operation. He thinks he can scream and shake his fist and that Bush will react just as Clinton did. Kim doesn't know who he's dealing with.

I think you are pretty well on the mark here...question is, when Kim's demands don't get the reaction he desires, will he up the ante?

42 posted on 12/26/2002 6:51:17 PM PST by Amelia
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To: garbanzo
What worries me is a pre-emptive strike by NK. A small nuke detonated of the coast of Japan near a US military base for example could seriously hamper a US response.

On the contrary: NK detonating a nuke of any size in such a threatening manner would justify and provoke a massive response.

43 posted on 12/26/2002 6:57:29 PM PST by r9etb
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I think we'll let China know that we'd have no objection to them annexing North Korea after whatever action they feel is necessary. As long as they move in the next year or so.
44 posted on 12/26/2002 6:58:20 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Destro; AmericanInTokyo
Its easy. Iraq does not have any nukes yet so we will threaten to attack it, pressure it with war talk, humiliate its leadership and attack it at will.

North Korea has nukes and WMD and therefore we we will NEVER threaten to attack it, NEVER pressure it with war talk, NEVER humiliate its leadership and WILL NOT attack it at will. We will even allow it to finish deliveries on scud missiles we seize on the high seas to Yemen.

Ding! Ding! Ding! There's your winner!
What does he win!

45 posted on 12/26/2002 7:01:30 PM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: AmericanInTokyo
21 April 2003

0200 local.

Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!

46 posted on 12/26/2002 7:06:18 PM PST by Experiment 6-2-6
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To: r9etb
It would but the question is how long would such a response take and how much are our hands tied? One of the biggest problems with a nuclear response is having years of fallout drift to the south and to Japan. A large preemptive attack could potentially allow the North enough time to make a serious attack on the South before an effective US (conventional) response. The South could collapse before we are ready for a counterattack.
47 posted on 12/26/2002 7:06:27 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: section9
I believe, Chris, we have all coordinates and information on most if not all DPRK ballistic launch facilities, both on the North Korean West Coast for Nodong missiles, as well as in the central south (near Pyonggang, across from Chorlwon/DMZ) for Taepodong 1-2, as well as East Coast such as the mount complexes of Hwadae Province south of Chongjin for additional launch sites. I believe bunker busters would cripple their launch capabilities, both surface and underground. And I believe as you do that they have some pretty impressive underground assembly, stage mating and command/control facilities underground and under mountains.

What's the alternative to waiting?

You also realize we can paralyze their internal command system nationwide with power outages as well as keen electronic warfare to freeze systems in place.

48 posted on 12/27/2002 5:30:36 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Poohbah; section9; Long Cut
Hmm...

August 1, 2003 - 0130 Yongbyong time.
49 posted on 12/27/2002 5:49:20 AM PST by hchutch
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To: garbanzo
It would but the question is how long would such a response take and how much are our hands tied?

Response time equals flight time of a Trident missile from a SSBN patrol station to Pyongang.

50 posted on 12/27/2002 5:58:57 AM PST by Poohbah
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