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Who's Germany? A Study In Irrelevance
Vanity | 12/26/02 | Sparta

Posted on 12/26/2002 5:06:45 PM PST by Sparta

We've been bombarded by leftist media outlets about the fact that many nations oppose President Bush's Iraq policy. These opposing nations are often held up as more enlightened than the United States. One of the leaders of the "don't bomb Iraq" crowd is a little country in Europe called Germany.

For those of you who don't know who Germany is, they are the nation which has started both world wars we've been in this century. Germany was completely and utterly destroyed during World War II. She was then rebuilt in the largest aid package in world history by the nation which led her defeat, the United States. We, during and after the Cold War, stationed thousands of troops to guarantee this nation's security. The United States equipped and trained the new German Bundeswehr when most other conquerers would have found a way to exploit their conquered. (Ex: The Soviet occupation of East Germany.)

Now, Germany has one of the largestest economies in Europe and one of Europe's finest militaries. But, they are no longer the global power they once were.

Germany is trying to get the rest of the world to take them seriously by criticizing Bush publicly. Current Chancellor Gerhart Schroder's reelection campaign focused on anti-American rhetoric. His Justice Minister compared Bush to Hitler. In the end, Schroder was barely reelected.

Now tell me if this is an important nation or a culture that his contributed to Western Civilization. Germany's economy is in a free fall. To attempt to solve this, Comrade Schroder is proposing income tax increases and a wealth tax, among other proposals. His Foreign Minister threw rocks at police during demonstrations against the very American soldiers who protect his country. Also, for your information, the birthplace of Karl Marx was none other than Germany. Germany, outside of Nietzsche and a few others, has been the cultural home for the latest tyrannical and anti-Western philosophies ever devised in history.

What does the future hold for Germany? Germany, through the European Union(Fourth Reich), stands to become the leader of Europe. I think Germany will lead Europe. It will become the first nation in Europe to adopt Sharia(Islamic law). Many of you will disagree and say France will be the first. I happen to have faith in the French that I don't have for Germany. I think France will return to the civilized world and remember the fact they are a nation founded on the promise of liberty for all of its citizens. Germany has no idea of liberty, however. During the Weimar Republic, the main parties in Germany all called for an end to the Republic and an institution of tyrannical government. Germany, after World War II, wrote argueably one of the most statist documents posing as a constitution in the world. So, Sharia should not be much of a stretch for them.

I hope Germany realizes two things. One, that socialism and statism don't work and never will. Two, that Germany will benefit more by being more aggressive against terrorism. Also, Germany would be wise to emulate the United States, not just attacking it. Unfortunately, there are few in Germany who are willing to learn these lessons.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Sparta
I get the impression that you don't like the current trends in Germany much. Understandable. Would I be wrong in concluding that you just don't like Germans very much, not just today's liberals but the people and culture as a historical whole? That's ok, we all have our preferences but your article here comes across as a rant that if aimed at others would be considered unenlightened prejudice and if the object of your ire were one of the more politically correct ethnic groups this piece would be pulled from this site in a second and you'd be thoroughly denounced. Not by me though; it is educational to see how others think and we can evaluate their other musings accordingly. Maybe I have your premise wrong but that is how I read it.

The only real problem I have with your post is that you say Germany started two world wars. Do you really mean W.W.I was the exclusive fault of the Germans?

41 posted on 12/28/2002 7:48:54 AM PST by u-89
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To: meenie
When the French beat the Germans at anything that will also be the day.

I am not Germany's or Germans fan, but French will never beat Germans at anything. (How many times they surrendered to Germans, how about French cars-would you like to own one?)

42 posted on 12/28/2002 8:08:05 AM PST by Anticommie
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To: Birdlady
We still keep troops in Germany to protect us and Europe from the Germans, not the other way around.
43 posted on 12/28/2002 8:15:14 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Sparta; meenie
There is no way England, Germany or France will succumb to Shari Law.

Stroke of a pen, the Muslim religion will, under the right circumstances and causal of event(s), be virtually outlawed on the European Continent.

For example, god forbid the Vatican should be attacked ala WTC...the Muslim will be wearing a yellow star ala the German Jew in the 30's.... before you know it.

44 posted on 12/28/2002 8:17:31 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
The day Islam is outlawed, this planet will take a giant step forward. I don't see ANY country on Earth with the guts to do that right now.
45 posted on 12/28/2002 8:20:09 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: caltrop
Don't kid yourself. The American GI is in Germany for a twofold purpose.

As stated by sparta, Germany started both World Wars in the past century. We're there to make sure they continue to make great autos and NOT great offensive weapons.

46 posted on 12/28/2002 8:20:27 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
They will make a fine car on ya!
47 posted on 12/28/2002 8:22:14 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: u-89
Germany sure enlargened would would've been a regional war. It was looking out to be just a fight between Austria-Hungary and Serbia/Russia. Then, Germany declared on France and Russia and invaded Belgium to bring Britain and eventually the US in the war.
48 posted on 12/28/2002 8:23:38 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Republic of Texas
I'm probably talking out my butt when I suggest Islam will one day be "outlawed" in certain European countries.

Most likely there will be intense pressure for that religion to speak with one voice, ala the Pope for the Catholic Church. That would give the "religion police" the authority to act against any threat (verbal or act)with swift impunity...which will serve as added protection against terrorism.

Is the Islamic Faith too large to insert an "ex cathedra" (from the chair)voice to set rules for their members?

49 posted on 12/28/2002 8:30:34 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
Maybe if we could afford the financial burden of keeping them there it'd be worthy of serious argument. Unless you know where the money's coming from to maintain our readiness - including the cost of rebuilding the Navy - then you're the one who's kidding himself. The cost of maintaining our forces in Germany - with no real mission - is astronomical.
50 posted on 12/28/2002 10:39:00 AM PST by caltrop
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To: Sparta
I do not think it an understatement when they say that the first world war was a senseless, avoidable and unnecessary war. There was an air of national greatness and hubris that permeated all the powers, not just Germany. Concerns of empire, spheres of influence and entangling alliances caused the participants in 1914 to act in ways they would not have had all the above not been in place (parallel circumstances are in place today with this country but that is another matter for a different thread).

Regarding the part of your statement about Germany bringing the US into the war is I believe backwards. The US stated its official neutrality while it manufactured and shipped large amounts of munitions to England, France and Russia not to mention large bank loans to the Allied side. Germany warned us repeatedly about this and they were not attacking "neutral" shipping when they sank US ships. We did not have to get involved in that war and the ramifications of the fact that we did are still being played out to this day.

51 posted on 12/28/2002 3:51:15 PM PST by u-89
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To: u-89
The US entered WWI because of numerous acts of German aggression. Germany was sinking US merchant ships with unrestricted submarine warfare in violation of international law. Germany was also inciting the Mexicans to invade the Western US with a promise of arms. War between the US and Germany was inevitable since the German and US fleets stared each other down in Manila Bay in 1898.
52 posted on 12/28/2002 3:54:55 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
I say that Europeans are pathologically in need of being ruled. They have a Monarch fixation.

I wish they could just give up thier totalitarian ways but I do not think German Society can cope with freedom.

I would be happy to have them prove me wrong!

53 posted on 12/28/2002 3:57:15 PM PST by Arioch7
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To: Sparta
I am in no way saying that Germany was sinless but they were not sinking US ships with irrational malice, we were supplying their enemies and those supplies were costing German lives. Would any other country, including us, do any different in a life and death struggle like that? Sure the Germans approached the Mexicans, they saw what was coming ie. direct US involvment.

There is an old saying "live by the sword die by the sword." Empires live by the sword. Germany wanted their rightful place in the sun got their come upance early on. Others should learn from history and avoid such painful mistakes but then that is not human nature individually or on a national level.

54 posted on 12/28/2002 4:40:47 PM PST by u-89
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