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U.S.-U.N. Command: North Korea violated Korean War armistice
USA Today / AP ^ | 12/27/2002 | AP Staff

Posted on 12/27/2002 12:53:29 PM PST by ex-Texan

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) North Korea violated the 1953 armistice that ended the Korean War by bringing machine guns into the buffer zone separating the two Koreas on six occasions over the past two weeks, the U.S.-U.N. Command said Friday.


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They are in deep kaa kaa now ... The U.N. is upset ..... ((( Wow !)))
1 posted on 12/27/2002 12:53:29 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
North Korea will attack within three months.
2 posted on 12/27/2002 12:54:31 PM PST by Sparta
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To: ex-Texan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/813042/posts
3 posted on 12/27/2002 12:55:05 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: ex-Texan
I'd be interested to know if we are finding a greater incidence of tunnels under the Z lately, and what the current stats are for intercepted 3 man spy-teams.
4 posted on 12/27/2002 12:55:57 PM PST by Riley
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To: Sparta
And will cease to be in 4 months!
5 posted on 12/27/2002 12:57:37 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: ex-Texan
Don't piss off the blue hell-mutts or they may let Syria pass a resolution reprimanding unlawful activity. Syria on the Security Council... has a nice ring to it... sort of like the fox guarding the henhouse.
6 posted on 12/27/2002 1:01:07 PM PST by 1bigdictator
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"How did it come to this?"
- Theoden, King of Rohan
7 posted on 12/27/2002 1:05:09 PM PST by Green Knight
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To: Sparta
Our missile defense system is not in place.
There exists a window of opportunity for the NKs to attempt to destroy Tokyo and major US cities.
8 posted on 12/27/2002 1:11:27 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: ex-Texan
They are in deep kaa kaa now ... The U.N. is upset ..... ((( Wow !)))

Hmmm ... Where is Koffee these days???

9 posted on 12/27/2002 1:11:35 PM PST by Mo1
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To: crypt2k
Also, the KPA(Korean People's Army) is actually pretty good. They can inflict severe damage on the Allied forces. Also, don't count out Nazi China and Russia.
10 posted on 12/27/2002 1:13:44 PM PST by Sparta
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To: ex-Texan






11 posted on 12/27/2002 1:16:46 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: crypt2k
. . . and they know the response.
12 posted on 12/27/2002 1:16:56 PM PST by PokeyJoe
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To: PokeyJoe
. . . and they know the response

Unfortunately, I suspect that the prospect of fallout over Japan and/or China will temper our response somewhat.

13 posted on 12/27/2002 1:18:13 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: ex-Texan
The two Koreas have been working on a cross-border railway in the area.

Kiss those tracks good-bye.

14 posted on 12/27/2002 1:19:24 PM PST by DoctorHydrocal
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To: crypt2k
There exists a window of opportunity for the NKs to attempt to destroy Tokyo and major US cities.

The thing to realize here is that N. Korea has very little to lose. They are having a brutal winter and most of their population is starving. Their communist dreams of utopia are going down the drain. If they have the capability to lash out at us with nukes, they may well do so. I think even the weenies at the U.N. understand this.

15 posted on 12/27/2002 1:22:46 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: crypt2k
W is from Texas.

He won't temper nuth'n if they nuke the U.S. - he'll bomb 'em twice to make sure he killed 'em all.

16 posted on 12/27/2002 1:23:38 PM PST by PokeyJoe
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To: ex-Texan
Why did this information come to light NOW?
18 posted on 12/27/2002 1:25:03 PM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan
Why did this information come to light NOW?

I've been seeing these reports here at FR for the last three weeks. I pick up the morning paper and read there what I saw here days ago.

19 posted on 12/27/2002 1:27:46 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: sheamanski
Agree, good to move our troops out - they will
be needed in relief operations.
20 posted on 12/27/2002 1:28:39 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: SamAdams76
The doctrine of pre-emption suggests we first strike with conventional force in order to incapacitate the potential threat of their nuclear capabilities... do you agree?
21 posted on 12/27/2002 1:29:54 PM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: Sparta
When N Kor attacks, the first sign will be the sound of motorized vehicles starting up way north of the DMZ. They will roll south joining up with other units as they go and cross the border in as large a mass as possible. If the northern movements aren't noticed right away, the attack will seem to begin abruptly and massively. As the troops approach the DMZ, massive shelling will commence, and that will include rockets. All offensive weapons will be used simultaneously. If there are any nukes available, they will be used in the first onslaught.

The defensive line in the south will try to delay the advance and fall back to prepared defensive positions when necessary. The entire operation will be over in three weeks, by which time N Kor will either own the entire penninsula or will have lost the war.

22 posted on 12/27/2002 1:30:13 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: 1bigdictator
Yes. We need to send some of those smart bombs into those nuclear facilities ASAP. I also think we need to deal with Pakistan's nukes pre-emptively. We should trust no Islamic nation with nukes.
23 posted on 12/27/2002 1:32:00 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
We need to send some of those smart bombs into those nuclear facilities ASAP

we should be alert to the existence of any doomsday weapons - particularly designed to throw up radioactive fallout.

24 posted on 12/27/2002 1:35:03 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: ex-Texan
From the Sydney Morning Herald

A fan of Godzilla the nuclear newt makes White House uneasy

...The depth of North Korea's ignorance and isolation cannot be exaggerated. Visiting the capital, Pyongyang, is like travelling to a parallel universe: a grey, fearful world in which the Berlin Wall never fell and truth has no place...

25 posted on 12/27/2002 1:35:13 PM PST by relee
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To: SamAdams76
We made are bed w/ Pakistan when we sought Musharaf's full support in our war w/ Al Qeada and the Taliban. Bush won't go back on his word... at least not while their cooperation is still necessary to track OBL in Pakistan.
26 posted on 12/27/2002 1:35:52 PM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: SamAdams76
Consider that the NKs put most of their effort into such a doomsday device(s). The initial explosion occurs in their territory, but the wind carries the fallout to South Korea, Japan, etc. What are the prevailing winds in that region?
28 posted on 12/27/2002 1:40:32 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: sheamanski
We should pull out now...

We do not have the conventional forces to stop a land invasion. Even trying to disrupt their command and control with new methods may not be effective in the short term.

29 posted on 12/27/2002 1:42:18 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: Sabertooth
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 13, 2000

WORLD,US, North Korea warily eye détente

A historic meeting this week in Washington signals possible thaw in a lingering cold-war relationship.

By Justin Brown (brownj@csps.com) Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON

While the world's attention has been focused on revolt in Yugoslavia and violence in the Middle East, a quiet but historic change is being signaled from another part of the globe.

North Korea this week sent a senior official to meet with President Clinton in what is thought to be the highest-level meeting ever between the two countries.

US officials are careful to emphasize, however, that the process of North Korea's opening to the rest of the world is only beginning. President Kim Jong Il is considered to be unpredictable, and so far the détente has been characterized more by words than by actions.

"This is a good start," says a US official, "but we're not sure where it's going."

Vice-Admiral Jo Myong-rok alternated between business and military attire as he made the Washington rounds and called for a new relationship with the US based on "friendship and cooperation."

OVERTURES: President Clinton greets North Korea’s Jo Myong- rok at the White House in a prelude to possible normalization of ties between their two nations. REUTERS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The three-day visit, which concluded yesterday, could be a prelude to normalized diplomatic relations between the US and North Korea, who until recently have been locked in a diplomatic and military stalemate.

Near the conclusion of Mr. Jo's visit, US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright announced that she would make a return visit to Pyongyang before a new administration takes office January 20. President Clinton may also visit.

If normal diplomatic ties are eventually established, as many experts predict, the change could have a significant impact on US national-security strategy.

For one, new questions would likely arise about the presence of some 37,000 US troops on the Korean peninsula, which are there both to protect US ally South Korea and to lend general stability to the region. The US fought against the North in the Korean War, from 1950 to 1953.

"We're moving toward the normalization of diplomatic relations [with North Korea]," says Donald Gregg, a former US ambassador to South Korea. "The sooner we start thinking about [adjusting our troop levels in Korea], the better."

Also, improvement in US-North Korea relations could affect US plans to build a national missile defense, a project stalled for the moment but likely to resurface during the next US administration.

North Korea is often cited as the most immediate threat to US security, since it is believed to have nuclear capabilities and some of the missile technology to carry a warhead to US soil - although both programs are supposed to have been halted.

If North Korea is no longer considered a "rogue state," some of the logic of a missile-defense system would be undermined. First and foremost, the North Koreans are pressing the US to remove them from a list of countries that sponsor terrorism.

According to the State Department, North Korea continues to provide a safe haven for a group of "Red Army" communists who in 1970 hijacked a Japanese airplane en route to North Korea.

A joint statement by North Korean and US officials, however, indicates that Pyongyang may soon be removed from the list. "[The] US and [North Korea] intend to exchange information regarding international terrorism and to resolve outstanding issues in the this regard between the two sides," says the statement, released before Mr. Jo's visit.

Another potential stumbling block for the resumption of official ties between the US and North Korea is the complicated strategic balance of power in Asia. The US can open up to North Korea only as fast as Pyongyang opens up to other members of the so-called trilateral coordination and oversight group, which includes South Korea and Japan.

But, while South Korean President Kim Dae Jung initiated the process and orchestrated a historic summit in Pyongyang in June, the Japanese have been slower to mend ties with the North, analysts say.

"Japanese relations are more stalled than the others," says Robert Dujarric, a Korea expert at the Hudson Institute in Washington. "And the US has to take that into account."

In addition to being concerned about the North Korean weapons programs and the Red Army hijackers, the Japanese accuse North Korea of kidnapping 10 Japanese citizens in the '70s, allegedly to use them for military language training. The two countries are expected to hold a new round of talks beginning Oct. 30.

From the US perspective, the dramatic improvement in relations with Pyongyang has caught many observers by surprise.

One unusual twist was finding out how North Korea feels about having US troops in the region. Ironically, the North says it wants the US there. Mr. Kim has reportedly said he fears a power vacuum if the US leaves, in which case China or Japan could exert heightened influence on the peninsula. So far, the US is more than willing to oblige - since the Korean buildup offers them a strong foothold in Asia.

Another surprise has been the speed of the reconciliation process.

"Now that they've established some momentum, I think the North Koreans want to move forward fairly quickly," says Joel Wit, a former State Department official. "They're not going to let this sit for months."

For further information: North Korea -- Special Envoy Visit Korean Central News Agency Seoul welcomes U.S.-N.K. rapprochement Korea Herald

Please Note: The Monitor does not endorse the sites behind these links. We offer them for your additional research. @csmonitor.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2000 The Christian Science Publishing Society.

31 posted on 12/27/2002 1:53:09 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: sheamanski
If NK attacks..our men on the front will die...people will then blame bush. He better understand this..it will be the end of his admin...Just when he thinks hes got things under control this could bring him down. He needs to pull our guys out immed..tell china ans sk to handle it..then politically he can still blame on Klinton policy. If he doesnt act the press and even right thinking people can place blame on him, Comments?? Yes, You are full of shit. If NK attacks, it will justify President Bush's labeling them as part of the "axis of evil." Obviously, you are a liberal pacifist faggot.
32 posted on 12/27/2002 1:57:19 PM PST by irish_lad
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To: sheamanski
We should pull out now...

Not gonna happen.

The worst thing we could do would be to withdraw, this will only encourage the North to attack. Strength and willpower are the only deterrents we have. Bush would be impeached if he even thought about withdrawing troops in the face of threats. He's got steel in his spine which is why he's so popular in spite of what the socialists would have you believe.

33 posted on 12/27/2002 1:57:32 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: snippy_about_it
At what point will the bent one blame the new admin. for the "break in relations"?
34 posted on 12/27/2002 1:57:39 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: AmusedBystander
The worst thing we could do would be to withdraw

The word used would be "redeployment".

35 posted on 12/27/2002 1:58:27 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: AmusedBystander
Are the SKs capable of an offensive in the north direction?
36 posted on 12/27/2002 1:59:36 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: sheamanski
NK will NOT launch an attack. They know they will get wiped out in days if they do.

They are bluffing, as usuall, trying to blackmail the US. It worked with Klinton; it won't work with Bush.

BTW, Kissinger predicted this years ago.

Also, Bush doesn't care much about his re-election, as he does about doing the right thing. Once again, people underestimate him.

Communism must always be allowed to implode. Reagan showed us how it works.

Kunsan AFB (Wolfpack) '83.
37 posted on 12/27/2002 2:04:16 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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>>He needs to pull our guys out immed..tell china ans sk to handle it..then politically he can still blame on Klinton policy. If he doesnt act the press and even right thinking people can place blame on him<<....Blaming Clinton will do nothing for Bush politically. It's now his watch. He's got more war on his plate than he can handle what with the WOD,WOT,WOI,WOE and now WOK.
38 posted on 12/27/2002 2:04:34 PM PST by orfisher
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To: sheamanski
"Im sounding like one of those crazy libs but does anyone disagree?? "

Too easy to touch. ;)

NK is dying as a country. The people there are eating grass. Their military is starving, too. They have a few nukes.

They are going down the tubes even faster, since they revealed their nuclear program, and we then cut off their oil. They will implode on their own, and soon.

We should stay right there, do nothing to provoke, just watch the self destruction of another blustering communist country go out in a poof.

They won't spend what little they have on starting a war that will assuredly result in the death of their leader and his entire power structure there within days. None of them will be spared, and they know it.

Better for the leadership to slowly starve everyone, and wait until the revolution comes, than to most assuredly die in a month.

Be calm. Trust Bush. The adults are back in charge.

39 posted on 12/27/2002 2:13:45 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: Riley
North Korea has started to tighten public control, conducting military drills and ideological indoctrination. Public military training -- like anti-air raid drills and Red Guard training -- has been underway on a major scale since late October 2002. The National Defense Committee put all the people's armed forces on a "semi-war status" in early November 2002.

41 posted on 12/27/2002 2:16:21 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: Green Knight
Don't worry, Gandalf is on the South Korean's side in this one.
42 posted on 12/27/2002 2:17:49 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: sheamanski
Comments??
Why don't we just surrender now?
43 posted on 12/27/2002 2:20:49 PM PST by Right Brigade
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To: MonroeDNA
>>Also, Bush doesn't care much about his re-election<<...You must be from outer space. It means everything to him....and Daddy.
44 posted on 12/27/2002 2:21:34 PM PST by orfisher
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To: sheamanski
Know what? If they attack, they attack. That has been a risk for 50 years, and it may happen tomorrow. Many will die.

That should not deter the US from making the tough choice of leaving the troops there, and waiting.

NK is dying as a country, and dying countries, like people, sometimes go nuts right before they die. That is a risk.

That should not stop us from watching over the deathbed. Running away, which will breath new life into the soon-to-be corpse, will only guarantee a stronger enemy later.
45 posted on 12/27/2002 2:21:48 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: sheamanski
Correct, unlike any war with Iraq which would only throw up minimal US fatalities, a NK invasion, even if beaten back and crushed in the swiftest and most optimistic scenario would still result in the deaths of hundreds of US troops due to the unique nature of the conflict.

In the event of a war, the current plans call for over 600,000 US troops to be moved to the region within 60 days.

46 posted on 12/27/2002 2:23:38 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: orfisher
Keep thinking that, and keep underestimating Bush.
47 posted on 12/27/2002 2:23:45 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: RightWhale
It all depends on how quickly the NK's can move south. If we can't move reinforcements over in time then things could get very nasty indeed. NK has been planning and refining it's options for decades and it's whole military revolves around the single purpose of a lightning invasion of the South.
I think it would be inevitable that a NK will have the upper hand in the early days of a war, but how quickly will SK/US turn the tide, that's the question.
48 posted on 12/27/2002 2:28:43 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: ex-Texan
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Communists are not Muslims. The spectre of incineration is something that focuses their minds wonderfully. The atheist has no desire to exit this mortal coil.

North Korea is doing their usual blackmail act. Give us food, give us money, give us oil or we make mighty bad medicine for imperialist pigs. It's time to call their bluff and face them down as Reagan did to the Soviets. Immediately cease all economic assistance and let the law of gravity take its course. It's time to send these Stalinists to hell. Might and power are the only things communists respect.

We should make it quite clear that any military incursion into the South will result in Pyongyang becoming another Hiroshima.

49 posted on 12/27/2002 2:29:04 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: maquiladora
"North Korea has started to tighten public control, conducting military drills and ideological indoctrination. Public military training -- like anti-air raid drills and Red Guard training -- has been underway on a major scale since late October 2002. The National Defense Committee put all the people's armed forces on a "semi-war status" in early November 2002. "

Of course they have. They've been sending hints for awhile now. If they were serious, they would not have; they would just do it, and invade. They won't; heck, they can't. It's winter, they have no food, and have no shoes.

But they are not serious. They are bluffing, blackmailing, testing. Just like they did with Klinton. Klinton caved, though. Bush won't.

They are dying as a country, as communist countries always do. Their blackmail won't work, this time.

They are a small time bully beating it's chest, with a couple shots left in the revolver. Should we run away?

50 posted on 12/27/2002 2:31:13 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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