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Iraqi Aftershocks: Being on the wrong side of history won’t be pretty
National Review ^ | December 27, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/27/2002 1:06:16 PM PST by aculeus

Slowly we are coming to the last few moves of a yearlong and tedious game. Saddam Hussein supposes that through delay, denial, and obstruction he can for a second decade stymie weapons inspectors and international bureaucrats, and thereby outfox the United States — in the process snatching victory from his rendezvous with ruin. He has slowly boxed himself into a corner in which he must deny the presence of weapons that he — and the world — knows exist.

When that revelation of their existence occurs, checkmate looms, and the wages of war follow — some time, I imagine, between mid-January and early March. Few who now express empathy, if not support, will join in Saddam's jihad. The Arab world, after all, can tolerate well enough genocide and torture, but not at all the humiliation of riding a sickly horse.

The results will have ramifications that make those in Afghanistan pale in comparison — and perhaps change both the complexion of the present war and the Middle East itself in ways we can now scarcely imagine. Current polls reflect widespread dislike of the United States in the Middle East. But what will such surveys reveal in six months, when an odious Saddam Hussein is removed and something follows far better than both him and the other autocrats in the region? Look at the change in Kabul for the answer.

In the post-Saddam chaos, a daily staple of news reports will be tours of Saddam's Ceausescu-like palaces and exposés of material excesses that would make Imelda Marcos blush — along with horrific tales from survivors of his gulag and glimpses into his labyrinth of torture. It won't be a pretty picture. Just as Venetian sailors used to stare aghast at what floated up when they deliberately sank their galleys right outside the harbor to cleanse the ballast of vermin, so too a post-Saddam Baghdad will disgorge especially foul residents that may well make the late Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas, and the Hussein progeny seem innocuous.

Most immediately, American relationships with the so-called moderate despots in the region, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, will be turned topsy-turvy — if they are not already. These regimes, lest we forget, are ruled by failed autocrats that receive either American largess or troops to protect their unpopular and unelected governments — and in thanks unleash their fanged state-controlled presses against us. Their faux ministers and bought intellectuals talk of anti-Americanism ad nauseam, failing to realize that the American people have had it with all of them.

So if a newly constituted Iraq emerges as a sane state, America will have no desire or need to protect Mr. Mubarak, King Hussein, or the Saudi royals from the wave of popular uprisings that we ourselves helped to let loose in Iraq. Their only long-term salvation, then, is right now to begin democratic reforms, open up their media, and hope for our forbearance.

For over a year now we have witnessed a depressing spectacle in Europe of opportunistic anti-Americanism as incoherent as it is shrill. But ultimately the Europeans — soon in multistage-rocket range of Baghdad — also wish Saddam Hussein gone. The presence of their own security forces in Afghanistan shows they know the country is a better place after the Taliban — and that it was freed only thanks to Anglo-American resolve.

Europeans also worry about their own unassimilated Muslim populations. The hatred that they once tolerated emanating from mosques is no longer seen as eccentric. Indeed, the fundamentalists' venomous anti-Semitic and anti-American slurs are starting to widen to include, of all people, them! — the fundamentalists' most generous hosts. Europeans can forgive hating the Jews or odium toward the United States, but cannot so easily swallow subsidized ingratitude. Blowing up the World Trade Center is one thing; talk of attacks on the Vatican by foreign welfare recipients are quite another.

Most privately confess that the American military, far from being an agency of empire, more or less defends them from those against whom they wish to be protected — and that neither collectively nor individually could European states respond forcefully to a 9/11-type assault. Should the pope be targeted or the Acropolis toppled, they know the Americans will be hunting the perpetrators whom they themselves have for so long placated.

Thus it would be wise for Europeans to get out ahead of the curve, and be resolute in supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein, before they, like the Arab "moderates," become increasingly irrelevant. The real story is not one of anti-Americanism — itself old and boring — but of a new anti-Europeanism prevalent here. Personally I would not worry too much about the anger of a spent France or schizophrenic Germany, but would about an aroused United States — not merely because of its power, but because exasperated Americans have a longer memory. How strange that increasingly Russians, Indians, and eastern Europeans — not our more natural allies, Frenchmen or Germans — are now more popular with us.

Indeed, for all the grand idealism of Kyoto, Durban, and the ICC, Americans accept that in the past western Europeans would have cold-heartedly sold out Taiwan, Israel, or South Korea in any major confrontation in which democracy and sacrifice on the one side were pitted against autocracy, profit, and appeasement on the other. So Iraq is not merely a referendum on European-American relations, but rather a litmus test of the moral status of Europe itself, and of what side of history it wishes to be on. Let us hope it awakens from its ethical coma to take its rightful place at the vanguard of the war against barbarity.

The American left has missed yet another train as it was leaving. Currently it is reeling from an array of staggering developments that in the post-Cold War era threaten to leave it as discredited as segregationist Republicans were during the civil-rights movement. Anti-Semitism is suddenly more commonly a phenomenon of the academic Left than of the old, white, Neanderthal Right. Multiculturalism and cultural equivalence have been refuted by the ghoulish nature of the Taliban; the more the world learns about the "alternative" universe of Saddam Hussein and kindred Middle Eastern regimes, the more it shudders in horror.

Censorship, catcalls at lectures, and the stealing of newspapers are not Mr. Ashcroft's doing but now also a hallmark of the campus Left — mostly ignored by timid college presidents. Amnesty International and the United Nations mollify rather than oppose odious regimes. Pacifism does not work in a world where the World Trade Center is incinerated. The hysterics of a Chomsky, Vidal, Mailer, or Said — never really refuted by the more responsible Left — were proved harebrained by the rapidity and economy of the American victory and the benevolent nature of the Karzai government in Afghanistan.

Exaggerating the collateral damage from the most precise weapons in military history, inflating by magnitudes of ten and more civilian casualties, spreading ad hoc conspiracy theories about pipelines, oil, and Texas corporations, raising doomsday scenarios of global anti-Americanism and nuclear hysteria in the Middle East — all that is about the extent and quality of the current anti-war exegesis, itself mostly discredited by its previous and completely wrong predictions concerning Afghanistan.

So in the few days that are left, in the calm before the storm, the Left should scramble to reclaim its moral currency by condemning our enemies and disassociating itself from appeasement. If it does not, the 2004 elections may well resemble 1972 or 1980 in their lopsidedness. The shrillness of Kerry more and more resembles a 1972 McGovern or 1980 Carter.

Something strange is happening, as if all the old conventional wisdom proves daily insolvent. Each hour Saudi Arabia appears a more untenable ally, panicky as the light of truth shines into its deepest recesses. The Arab street sinks more and more into irrelevance, as lunatic as it is impotent; its anti-American hatred is to be welcomed rather than feared, given what it presently represents: gender apartheid, religious intolerance, tribalism, and anti-Semitism. Middle Eastern leaders may shake fingers and talk tough, but they have no moral credibility and still less power — and, like former Eastern European Communist hacks, are likely to become the flotsam and jetsam in a tidal wave of change.

All this September 11 has exposed. But perhaps the queerest phenomenon of all was where real wisdom was to be found in our hour of greatest need. The Kennedy School of Government offered little insight. The Arabists in our universities were worse, more duplicitous even than naive. Some of our acclaimed novelists, poets, filmmakers, and essayists offered up things reprehensible. An array of ex-ambassadors to Saudi Arabia proved comical if not venal. Former President Carter's half-baked ideas of disarmament and pre-Nobel-prize posturing made Chamberlain's Munich accords look statesmanlike; former President Clinton's lip-biting and apologies rendered caricature redundant. Some of our own diplomats' early trial balloons — a coalition government in Afghanistan or an all-Islamic peace force — could be improved upon by brainstorming high-school seniors.

Instead, a president who supposedly slurred his words and forgot dictator's names sensed the extent and threat of a rare evil, as well as the remedy for its demise that had escaped his supposed betters. And so far that has made all the difference in this strange war.


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1 posted on 12/27/2002 1:06:16 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Very nice article. Especially about Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlain having the same place in history. They deserve each other.
2 posted on 12/27/2002 1:10:05 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: aculeus
Great article.
3 posted on 12/27/2002 1:16:26 PM PST by Corporate Law
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To: SamAdams76
Your post is an insult to Chamberlain.
4 posted on 12/27/2002 1:20:55 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: SamAdams76
We are fortunate in the Central California area because Hansen is an occasional guest on KMJ580. He is great to listen to and I like how well grounded his political views are.
5 posted on 12/27/2002 1:21:14 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: aculeus
Victor Davis Hansen again knocks one out of the ballpark.

BUMP!!!
6 posted on 12/27/2002 1:25:33 PM PST by Sparta
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To: pierrem15
Sorry Neville, I didn't mean to offend you. Jimmy Carter is easily twice the gutless appeaser that you were. Please accept my apology.
7 posted on 12/27/2002 1:25:56 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: aculeus
Nice article.

BTTT!

8 posted on 12/27/2002 1:26:28 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: Enterprise
I hear some call Hansen a libertarian, others call him a conservative, which one is he?
9 posted on 12/27/2002 1:28:27 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
A clear thinker?
10 posted on 12/27/2002 1:33:57 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing
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To: aculeus
So if a newly constituted Iraq emerges as a sane state, America will have no desire or need to protect Mr. Mubarak, King Hussein, or the Saudi royals from the wave of popular uprisings that we ourselves helped to let loose in Iraq.

King Hussein certainly does not need protecting, having been dead for some time now. His son Abdullah might. But actually Jordan has been one of the few real Arab allies in the WOT. A democratic Jordan (Palestein East) would be worse.

Otherwise, a pretty good article.

11 posted on 12/27/2002 1:39:46 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Sparta
I hear some call Hansen a libertarian, others call him a conservative, which one is he?

He's a conservative, IMO. If he was a libertarian Mr. Hanson would be towing the Harry Browne line that 9/11 was America's fault, which he is clearly not doing.

12 posted on 12/27/2002 1:45:13 PM PST by Dane
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To: aculeus
Great article, thanks for posting it! This guy is amazing.
13 posted on 12/27/2002 1:46:15 PM PST by Brad C.
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To: Dane
Not all libertarians oppose the war. You ought to do some more research before making such an idiotic statement.
14 posted on 12/27/2002 1:48:24 PM PST by Sparta
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To: dighton; general_re
Pinging.
15 posted on 12/27/2002 1:49:22 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Sparta
Dane never makes a non idiotic statement. Hes an admitted ex druggie who now advocates the war on drugs. Ill be slightly nicer to him when he reports for sentencing for being a druggie back in the day.
16 posted on 12/27/2002 1:55:01 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Well, since he won't listen, I think I'm going list the libertarian supporters of the war.

The Ayn Rand Institute
Reason Magazine
The RLC
Walter Williams
And many rank and file Libertarians
17 posted on 12/27/2002 1:58:51 PM PST by Sparta
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To: aculeus; MeeknMing; Mia T
Excellent read. Thanks for the post. Clinton's place in history becomes more and more marginal by the day. The scumbag and spouse (aka PIAPS and BJ) are totally eclipsed by Ronaldus Maximus on the stage of time. The only ones cheering on the Klintoons are the Red and Pink Daiper babies and their hangers on. The rest of America grew up fast after 9/11.
18 posted on 12/27/2002 2:04:20 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: aculeus
In an otherwise brilliant-as-usual article, the author tips his hat to a leftist lie thusly:

"as discredited as segregationist Republicans were during the civil-rights movement"

The Democrat Party historically and currently are the supporters of racial pre-judgement (prejudice) and separatism. For about four years there (1966 - 1970) they were actually for equality. But before then and ever since, they have been in favor of treating people differently on the basis of pigmentation.

Contrarywise, conservatives and the Republican Party have (virtually) always stood for equality among the races. This principled position makes us Politically Incorrect now, since we don't want to implement racist hiring policies (a.k.a. "Affirmative Action").

Classic examples are LBJ, one of the most racist Presidents ever, compared to any of the last five Republican Presidents.

Keep up the good work, VDH. But please steer clear of endorsing the lies of the left.

19 posted on 12/27/2002 2:06:56 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: aculeus; dighton
So Iraq is not merely a referendum on European-American relations, but rather a litmus test of the moral status of Europe itself, and of what side of history it wishes to be on. Let us hope it awakens from its ethical coma to take its rightful place at the vanguard of the war against barbarity.

Will it? Ask the Liberal Magic Eight-Ball...

20 posted on 12/27/2002 2:12:28 PM PST by general_re
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To: aculeus
So if a newly constituted Iraq emerges as a sane state, America will have no desire or need to protect Mr. Mubarak, King Hussein, or the Saudi royals from the wave of popular uprisings that we ourselves helped to let loose in Iraq. Their only long-term salvation, then, is right now to begin democratic reforms, open up their media, and hope for our forbearance.

The popular resistance to these regimes are all Islamist. Democratic reforms will lead to the election of anti-west Islamic parties. Iraq as the most secular Arab state may have a chance of surviving as a democratic republic, but the other states are going to vote themselves into Sharia law and religious dictatorship.

21 posted on 12/27/2002 2:21:09 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Dan Cooper
"but the other states are going to vote themselves into Sharia law and religious dictatorship."

True, and so we give them an ascendant democratic Iraq to model. After 5-10 years of being left in the dust by Arabs who vote, we can take up some more cases.

22 posted on 12/27/2002 2:24:39 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: pierrem15
You have it right. Chamberlain was essentially a gentleman. Yes, he trusted Hitler. Funny thing, well not so funny, he almost brought off " Peace in our time" .

It is hard indeed to try to put the man in perspective. What must be said and should be said against those who denigrate Chamberlain is this. The non-aggression pact with Stalin in July 1939, absolutely and completely gave Hitler the go ahead. He attacked Poland in September 1939.

Again, it was Chamberlain who actually declared war on Germany within 24 hours of his rejected ultimatum.

Well there is still a lesson. GWB must not trust a lying thug. Look what history and the pundits have done to Chamberlain as an example.

23 posted on 12/27/2002 2:34:18 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: weikel; Sparta
Dane never makes a non idiotic statement. Hes an admitted ex druggie who now advocates the war on drugs. Ill be slightly nicer to him when he reports for sentencing for being a druggie back in the day.

Whew the insults come out from the shadow Harry Browne(Libertarian Presidential candidate in 96 and 2000, who days after 9/11 stated that 9/11 was America's fault) contingent on FR.

Oh well what else could expect from people who probably voted for Harry Browne, (the canididate who pined for the days where any 8 year old could go into any pharmacy and get heroin, no questionas asked), but won't admit now.

24 posted on 12/27/2002 2:53:22 PM PST by Dane
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To: aculeus
"President Clinton's lip-biting and apologies rendered caricature redundant."

What a great line!
25 posted on 12/27/2002 3:07:56 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: aculeus
[middle eastern states] like former Eastern European Communist hacks, are likely to become the flotsam and jetsam in a tidal wave of change.

Change is certain, but I wish could be as optimistic as Hansen.

On the other hand, if we don't act now, it will only get worse.

26 posted on 12/27/2002 3:14:28 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: CARepubGal; aculeus; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; ...
Iraqi Aftershocks: Being on the wrong
side of history won’t be pretty

Excerpt:

Thus it would be wise for Europeans to get out ahead of the curve, and be resolute in supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein, before they, like the Arab "moderates," become increasingly irrelevant. The real story is not one of anti-Americanism — itself old and boring — but of a new anti-Europeanism prevalent here. Personally I would not worry too much about the anger of a spent France or schizophrenic Germany, but would about an aroused United States — not merely because of its power, but because exasperated Americans have a longer memory. How strange that increasingly Russians, Indians, and eastern Europeans — not our more natural allies, Frenchmen or Germans — are now more popular with us.

Indeed, for all the grand idealism of Kyoto, Durban, and the ICC, Americans accept that in the past western Europeans would have cold-heartedly sold out Taiwan, Israel, or South Korea in any major confrontation in which democracy and sacrifice on the one side were pitted against autocracy, profit, and appeasement on the other. So Iraq is not merely a referendum on European-American relations, but rather a litmus test of the moral status of Europe itself, and of what side of history it wishes to be on. Let us hope it awakens from its ethical coma to take its rightful place at the vanguard of the war against barbarity.

The American left has missed yet another train as it was leaving. Currently it is reeling from an array of staggering developments that in the post-Cold War era threaten to leave it as discredited as segregationist Republicans were during the civil-rights movement. Anti-Semitism is suddenly more commonly a phenomenon of the academic Left than of the old, white, Neanderthal Right. Multiculturalism and cultural equivalence have been refuted by the ghoulish nature of the Taliban; the more the world learns about the "alternative" universe of Saddam Hussein and kindred Middle Eastern regimes, the more it shudders in horror.

Censorship, catcalls at lectures, and the stealing of newspapers are not Mr. Ashcroft's doing but now also a hallmark of the campus Left — mostly ignored by timid college presidents. Amnesty International and the United Nations mollify rather than oppose odious regimes. Pacifism does not work in a world where the World Trade Center is incinerated. The hysterics of a Chomsky, Vidal, Mailer, or Said — never really refuted by the more responsible Left — were proved harebrained by the rapidity and economy of the American victory and the benevolent nature of the Karzai government in Afghanistan.

Exaggerating the collateral damage from the most precise weapons in military history, inflating by magnitudes of ten and more civilian casualties, spreading ad hoc conspiracy theories about pipelines, oil, and Texas corporations, raising doomsday scenarios of global anti-Americanism and nuclear hysteria in the Middle East — all that is about the extent and quality of the current anti-war exegesis, itself mostly discredited by its previous and completely wrong predictions concerning Afghanistan.

So in the few days that are left, in the calm before the storm, the Left should scramble to reclaim its moral currency by condemning our enemies and disassociating itself from appeasement. If it does not, the 2004 elections may well resemble 1972 or 1980 in their lopsidedness. The shrillness of Kerry more and more resembles a 1972 McGovern or 1980 Carter.



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

27 posted on 12/27/2002 3:18:27 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: general_re
Will it? Ask the Liberal Magic Eight-Ball...

A keeper!

28 posted on 12/27/2002 3:19:28 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus; CARepubGal
Thanks for the post and ping. Good article....
29 posted on 12/27/2002 3:23:51 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
...Thus it would be wise for Europeans to get out ahead of the curve, and be resolute in supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein...

Don't hold your breath. The SocioEuro's lack [male anatomy].

30 posted on 12/27/2002 3:28:01 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Don't hold your breath. The SocioEuro's lack [male anatomy].

LOL ! Yep....

32 posted on 12/27/2002 3:40:24 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: aculeus
bttt!!
33 posted on 12/27/2002 3:44:49 PM PST by livesbygrace
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To: aculeus
Fabulous piece of writing and insight. Thank you for posting it. The rabid hatred for our Dubya that I hear from the Left, and even from a scary minority on the perpetually disgruntled far Right fringe, makes me fear for the President's safety. I sure hope the Secret Service is taking every possible precaution, and then some. Because, as the Left continues its slide not only into irrelevance, but into the bright light of truth, it's hatred will only grow. The sewage that was the Clinton administration led inexorably to 9/11, to Hussein's belief that he can bluff us once again, to North Korea's belief that we will fall for its blackmail, and to myriad other problems. Someday that truth will be fully exposed for all to see. The Left will do everything it possibly can to prevent that day from coming.
34 posted on 12/27/2002 3:46:35 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: aculeus
unassimilated Muslim populations

These are the three words which summarize the threat to the world. There is no history of the peaceful assimiliation of Muslims into a non-Muslim society. There is violence and bloodshed wherever these people have moved in numbers.

35 posted on 12/27/2002 3:50:49 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: general_re; dighton
If you don't like the answers from the liberal eight ball just Ask the Iman.

(Iman, what is the punishment to be meted out to an infidel who encourages so-called "freeping" of our blessed site?)

36 posted on 12/27/2002 3:56:27 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Dan Cooper
Well said. The flaw preventing any expansion of freedom and the rights of individuals in Arab countries is the inherently violent dogma of Islamic law. To those people, ANYTHING secular, including civil government, is without substance and meaningless in the shadow of their religion.
37 posted on 12/27/2002 3:58:24 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart
Straining at Gnats and Swallowing Camels:
the us claimed that the al qaida hijackers had a book that said they should shave off their beards ,is this allowed in jihad

It is not permissible to shave off the beard at any time including Jihaad. A Mujaahid may only dye his head beard black to make himself look young to his enemy.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai


38 posted on 12/27/2002 4:08:06 PM PST by dighton
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To: Brad Cloven
True, and so we give them an ascendant democratic Iraq to model. After 5-10 years of being left in the dust by Arabs who vote, we can take up some more cases.

I don't think it will take Iran that long. Their youngins' are dying for democracy and western culture.

39 posted on 12/27/2002 8:08:35 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Dane

40 posted on 12/27/2002 8:34:39 PM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: aculeus
Iraq will not be the key that frees the Middle East from its anti-Semite and anti-American stupor. It will however help to provide the framework for rectifying the situation. First the Afghanistan Taliban problem was fixed. Second the Iraq Baath Party problem is fixed. Third the [fill in the blank] problem is fixed. Fourth the .... This road is a long and winding one, but one which must be taken.

Western Europe and the leftist who run it, are a bunch of spoiled brats who have been protected by NATO's umbrella (read America) for decades. They have forgotten how easy it is for the Western Europian countries to stab each other in the back. I agree with this author that the Eastern Europian countries, who were recently freed from communist slave labor, will be America's best ally in the long run. They understand the Islamic threat from the south, the Communist threat from the east and the always present Fascist threat from western Europe.

41 posted on 12/27/2002 9:46:14 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: pierrem15
Your post is an insult to Chamberlain.

You are Right! I've read that Chamberlain actually increased defense spending after the Munich meeting. Just in case Hitler broke his word. We cannot say the same for Carter.

42 posted on 12/27/2002 10:32:11 PM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: MeeknMing
Thank you for the ping and your post #27. Bttt
43 posted on 12/27/2002 11:31:27 PM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: aculeus
What a terrific read. Thank God for Pres Bush and his administration
44 posted on 12/27/2002 11:46:37 PM PST by paul51
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To: Sparta
I have always thought of him as a conservative. I will pay more attention the next time he is a guest. If I am able, I will call in and ask him.
45 posted on 12/28/2002 9:32:57 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: MeeknMing; aculeus
I just caught an interview of Hansen by Britt Hume on the Special Report news Segment this evening which I thought was quite good!!

Anyone else see it?

I sent an e-mail to Fox asking whether a vidoe or transcript would be availble of the interview!
46 posted on 01/01/2003 10:35:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Enterprise
Instead, a president who supposedly slurred his words and forgot dictator's names sensed the extent and threat of a rare evil, as well as the remedy for its demise that had escaped his supposed betters. And so far that has made all the difference in this strange war.

Every time I hear this Gentlemen I am more impressed!

47 posted on 01/01/2003 10:48:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Grampa Dave; gcruse
ping!
48 posted on 01/01/2003 11:32:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I missed it...


49 posted on 01/02/2003 2:45:44 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ernest - I also saw the interview by Brit last night on FoxNews - excellent. This was the first time I'd heard Hanson's views and immediately sent me to the internet to research his articles. After reading several on National Review, I now want his book "Autumn of War". I thought his assessment of liberals floundering because they don't understand how our world has changed since 9/11 was brilliant. I also liked his predictions for 2003 - quick end to Iraq and Bush will be even stronger for 2004 election. Yes, I was impressed by Hanson.
50 posted on 01/02/2003 4:34:20 AM PST by Elkiejg
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