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Father of 9-11 victim blasts Murray ^ | Saturday, December 28, 2002 | By Art Moore

Posted on 12/28/2002 12:27:33 AM PST by JohnHuang2

SEATTLE – A man who says his son was murdered on Sept. 11, 2001, wrote a letter to the editor of the New York Post describing Sen. Patty Murray's "affectionate representation" of Osama bin Laden last week as "sickening."

"It is a vulgar demeaning of not only my son, but of everyone who perished that day," wrote Patrick L. Cartier of Jackson Heights, N.Y.

Cartier said "there is no way the senator can properly represent Americans when her sympathies embrace evil."

"She should resign and allow someone to hold her position who will tender reverence, respect and honor to Americans and not to those evil people who slaughter for kicks," he said.

Cartier was referring to a session with high-school students Dec. 18 in Vancouver, Wash., in which Murray asked them to ponder why bin Laden is "so popular around the world."

Murray said bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

The senator then asked the students: "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

Another writer to the Post, who also referred to the Sept. 11 attacks, said Murray should step down.

"Murray's comments about bin Laden absolutely epitomize the Democratic Party's blame-America philosophy," said Don DeVan of Manhattan. "The stupidity of her remarks make Sen. Trent Lott sound like a Ph.D. "

DeVan said Murray "should resign for the good of the nation and the Democratic Party. But not before she apologizes to all of those who lost loved ones on 9-11, starting with the New York City Fire Department."

In another reference to Sept. 11, the Tri-City Herald in Eastern Washington state said in an editorial this week that "even more disturbing than the inaccuracies in Murray's comments is the insensitivity."

"Thousands of Americans are facing this week with dread," the paper said, "knowing it brings the second Christmas without a father, mother, son or daughter murdered by bin Laden."

For that, the Herald asserted, "Murray owes an apology. It can't come too soon."

Also in Murray's home state, a community newspaper south of Seattle, the Federal Way Mirror, published a political cartoon with a takeoff on the movie "Love Story," featuring bin Laden and Murray in the title roles. The Mirror's publisher, Sound Publishing, owns 15 community newspapers in the Puget Sound area.

The Wheeling News-Register in West Virginia yesterday called Murray's inference that U.S. leaders should be more like bin Laden "disgusting."

"Yet we doubt members of the Senate will make any comment on Murray – and that, too, is disgusting," the paper said.

Meanwhile, a newspaper in India has picked up on the story. The Tribune of Chandigarh, India, said in the lead to its news report earlier this week:

"In America, praising Osama bin Laden is an unpardonable sin tantamount to blasphemy, and a woman senator is being hauled over the coals for committing that offense."

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1 posted on 12/28/2002 12:27:33 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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2 posted on 12/28/2002 12:29:01 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Good morning John.
3 posted on 12/28/2002 12:30:21 AM PST by Aeronaut
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To: Aeronaut
G'morning backatya, my friend.
4 posted on 12/28/2002 12:37:47 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2; Registered
Good morning John.

Thanks for the post. What is obvious to most here is that:

- there is a double standard when it comes to liberals and conservatives

- the majority of the media will protect their own


- Murray will weather this amd suffer little or no damage

That being said, I have underestimated the power of grassroots outrage on this forum before. I never in my wildest dreams could have thought that Registered's "SORE LOSERMAN" invention could have swept the nation and exposed Gore and the Democrats to the degree that it did. Reading Tipper Gore's recent interviews, it is now obvious how much Free Republic and grass roots anger at their flagrant attempt to steal power thwarted their hideous pursuits.

Perhaps "The Mom in Tennis Shoes" may yet be forced to pay a penance for her remarks that border on high treason. We will have to see.

5 posted on 12/28/2002 2:32:38 AM PST by SkyPilot
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I am surprised that we have not been hearing from more 9-11 victim familys, Sen. Murray may actually regret her insane comments someday.
6 posted on 12/28/2002 2:37:33 AM PST by JIM O
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To: SkyPilot
I have underestimated the power of grassroots outrage on this forum before.

It's a dirty job but, someone has to do it.

Liberals certainly can't be depended upon to do what is right.

7 posted on 12/28/2002 2:39:45 AM PST by kcordell
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Im really surprised that she would even still be in office after that.

Is there something that can be done? Any ideas?

8 posted on 12/28/2002 2:44:41 AM PST by expatguy
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To: JohnHuang2
"there is no way the senator can properly represent Americans when her sympathies embrace evil." "She should resign and allow someone to hold her position who will tender reverence, respect and honor to Americans and not to those evil people who slaughter for kicks," he said.

Will the media hold her accountable as they would a republican? I don't think so! We need to take action.

9 posted on 12/28/2002 2:46:19 AM PST by dokmad
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To: dokmad
Here is a sample letter which I'm planning to send to the various media outlets below. The addresses are courtesy of FAIR's Media Contact List (



I've noted, with some dismay, the overwhelming lack of coverage by the "mainstream" media over the past week concerning comments from Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) regarding her perception of the humanitarian acts of Usama bin Laden, and his popularity in the world.

Sen. Murray's statements are quite offensive to most Americans, and are at least on a par with the comments uttered by Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS). You in the major media spent hundreds of hours of air time, and hundreds of column-inches of print, in excoriating Sen. Lott, parsing his words, analyzing his statements and intent. Why have you not done the same for Sen. Murray?

The media, in general, spends much time and effort to state that they are not biased - that they offer a fair and balanced view of the news. With respect, it is difficult to believe that contention, based upon the current evidence of these two news stories.

I would respectfully request that your organisation take another look at your current editorial and news selection process, and reconsider your actions regarding the Sen. Murray situation.

Many thanks.

Doc Farmer

Doha, Qatar


Network/Cable Television


ABC News
47 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-222-7777
General e-mail:

ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings:
Phone: 212-456-4040
Fax: 212-456-2795

1717 DeSales St., NW, Washington, DC 20036
Phone: 202-222-7000

147 Columbus Ave., 10th fl, New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-2020
Fax: 212-456-0533

ABC's Good Morning America:
147 Columbus Ave., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-5900
Fax: 212-456-7257


CBS News
524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-975-4321
Fax: 212-975-1893
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-457-4385

CBS Evening News with Dan Rather:
Phone: 212-975-3691 or 202-457-4385
Fax: 212-975-1893

The Early Show:
Phone: 212-975-2824
Fax: 212-975-7133 or 212-975-2033

60 Minutes:
555 W. 57th St., New York, NY 10019-2985
Phone: 212-975-2006
Fax: 212-757-6975

60 Minutes II:
Phone: 212-975-6200


2200 Fletcher Ave.
Fort Lee, NJ 07024
Phone: (201) 585-2622
Fax: (201) 583-5453


One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366
Phone: 404-827-1500
Fax: 404-827-1906

CNN Washington Bureau
820 First St. N.E., Washington, DC 20002
Phone: 202-898-7900
Fax: 202-898-7923

Phone: 202-898-7655
Fax: 202-898-7611

Larry King Live:
Phone: 202-898-7690
Fax: 202-898-7686

Fox News Channel

1211 Ave. of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 301-3000
Fax: (212) 301-4229


One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus, NJ 07094
Phone: (201) 583-5000
Fax: (201) 583-5453


30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112
Phone: 212-664-4444
Fax: 212-664-4426

NBC's Washington Bureau
4001 Nebraska Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20016
Phone: 202-885-4200
Fax: 202-362-2009

NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw:
Phone: 212-664-4971 or 202-885-4259
Fax: 202-362-2009

NBC News' Today:
Phone: 212-664-4602 or 202-885-4231
Fax: 212-664-4426

Dateline NBC:
Phone: 212-664-7501
Fax: 212-664-7864

Public Broadcasting


1320 Braddock Place, Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: 703-739-5000
Fax: 703-739-8458

The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer:
3620 South 27th St., Arlington, VA 22206
Phone: 703-998-2150


National Public Radio
635 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753
Phone: 202-513-2000
Fax: 202-513-3329
E-mail: Jeffrey Dvorkin, Ombudsman

All Things Considered:
Phone: 202-513-2110

Morning Edition:
Phone: 202-513-2150
Fax: 202-513-3329

National Newspapers

Los Angeles Times
202 West First Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000
Fax: 213-237-4712

New York Times
229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036
Phone: 212-556-1234
Fax: 212-556-3690
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-862-0300

USA Today
1000 Wilson Blvd., Arlington, VA 22229
Phone: 800-872-0001 or 703-276-3651
Fax: 703-247-3108

Wall Street Journal
200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281
Phone: 212-416-2000
Fax: 212-416-2658

Washington Post
1150 15th St., NW, Washington, DC 20071
Phone: 202-334-6000
Fax: 202-334-5269

Associated Press
50 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10020
Phone: 212-621-1500
Fax: 212-621-7523
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-776-9400


251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-445-4000
Fax: 212-445-5068

Time magazine
Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, New York, NY 10020
Phone: 212-522-1212
Fax: 212-522-0323

U.S. News & World Report
1050 Thomas Jefferson St., Washington, DC 20007
Phone: 202-955-2000
Fax: 202-955-2049

10 posted on 12/28/2002 2:49:43 AM PST by DocFarmer
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To: JohnHuang2
John, here's what I have gathered so far on "Mommy in sneakers," or "Chatty Patty," or whatever you want to call this bird-brained "representative"--

The essence of Murray's mind | Saturday, December 28, 2002 | Letters to the editors
Sen. Murray exemplifies those decrepit generations who really and truly believe that love is something you buy, respect is something you rent, and character can be marked down as an after-holiday sale item.
Patty Murray, material girl: Farah slams Sen for cloaking bin Laden's actions in fake compassion ^ | Friday, December 27, 2002 | Joseph Farah
Surely no one – certainly not a U.S. senator – could be that stupid...
Taliban Online ^ | 12/26/02 | Patriot62
Where is the outrage?
Bin Laden remarks give Murray grief
Tacoma News Tribune (WA) ^ | 24 December 2002 | Les Blumenthal
Murray pushed for aid to Taliban before 9-11 ^ | Thursday, December 26, 2002 | By Joseph Farah
Local papers break silence on Patty Murray ^ | Wednesday, December 25, 2002 | By Art Moore
** ACTION ALERT ** U.S. Senator PRAISES Osama Bin Laden ^ | 25 Dec. 2002 | David C. Osborne

But Matthew Felling, media director for the Center for Media and Public Affairs in Washington, D.C., thinks Murray's remarks are not getting attention because they largely were correct.
Senator Patty Murray, Boob
The Conning Tower ^ | Dec. 23, 2002 | Trentino
These statements are one thousand times worse than what Lott said.
Let's Organize to Oust Patty Murray
Seattle Times ^ | Kate in Palo Alto
The Dems will turn this whole thing around, and portray it as an attempt by the Republicans to "get even for Trent Lott" - and the sheeple will believe it. A week from now, the national media won't even be covering this story. It will be "old news".
The Osama bin Laden Day-Care Center (Dem Senator praises bin Laden)
Wall St. Journal ^ | Friday, December 20, 2002 12:16 p.m. EST | BY JAMES TARANTO
Lott Praised Strom. Demo Senator Openly Praises bin Laden. - 20 Dec 2002
Now let's see just how upset these same people get over the comments by Democratic
Senator Patty Murray in praise of Osama bin Laden, as reported in ...
       Sen. Murray Praises bin Laden's Good Deeds -
       Praise for Osama? - Gator Country
       Sen. Murray's comments provoke angry responses - The Olympian
       Cleveland Plain Dealer - Sacramento Bee - and more »

For Moseley-Braun, It May Be Time for a Rematch
Washington Post - 5 hours ago
... Patty Murray (D-Wash.) that charitable works made Osama bin Laden popular in
poor countries -- and her challenge to the United States to do the same. ...

Senator cites bin Laden's 'popularity'
Chicago Sun Times, IL - 5 minutes ago
Perhaps, said Washington state's senior senator, Democrat Patty Murray, it's because
he and his supporters have spent years building goodwill in poor nations ...

Senator's explanation of bin Laden's popularity draws fire%)
WKYT, KY - 20 Dec 2002
Washington-AP -- Washington Senator Patty Murray is drawing a lot of heat for
her explanation of why Osama bin Laden is popular in poor countries. ...

Potomac Watch: Senators take a break, but office mail never stops
Seattle Post Intelligencer, WA - 20 Dec 2002
In the back offices of Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell where the
mail is collected and sorted, however, there's never a slow period. ...

Dems Already Attack Frist , Santorum , McConnell . . . - 20 Dec 2002
... Patty Murray. Republicans are the only ones stupid enough to feed on their own.
Nor were any national Republicans seen having news conferences about Murray. ...

Sound Transit hires lobbyists - By Jeff Switzer - Journal ...
King County Journal Newspapers, WA - 20 Dec 2002
... I don't think they're strong enough, and I don't think we need somebody to inform
Patty Murray.'' McIver added that County Executive Ron Sims himself kept Sen. ...

Immigration: Where is the OUTRAGE?? - 20 Dec 2002
... I can hardly wait for Sen. 'Chatty' Patty Murray of Washington to hold a press conference
exclaiming how Fox & Coyotes have built schools and all those same ...
Anyone Who Questions Sen. Murray Is 'Right-Wing Hater'
Source: NewsMax
URL Source:
Published: Dec 22, 2002
Author: Carl Limbacher
Senator [Patty Murray D-WA ]Pushes To Allow Military Abortions Abroad
Baltimore Sun | June 21, 2002
The... baby butcher in tennis shoes...
Patty Murray (D-WA) praises OBL
Junto Society ^ | 12/20/2002 | Chris Vance
CongressTraitor McDermott is on the radio RIGHT NOW defending this b!itch.
Sen. Murray blistered over bin Laden remark
Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, December 21, 2002, 12:10 a.m. | Katherine Pfleger and Alex Fryer
Crazy Murray/Exclusive: Readers blast ^ | Tuesday, December 24, 2002 | Letters to the editor
Is it possible that Sen. Murray is simply crazy? And that those who elected her were also crazy, or woefully ignorant about what she is really like?

if the GOP had any guts, they would show the people jumping from the towers, then the smoldering ruins of the twin towers, a small picture of the Communist senator and her quotes running on a scroll up the screen. No other commentary, no "get out the vote" message, just her quote.

Neat idea. Mind if I borrow it?



And for all you folks who are tired of this nonsense happening without a comment from the Jackal Pack Media?

Do something, dang it!

Bypass 'em- Go here:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

for links, tools, & instructions about how to contact a pile of different people, and how to send a link to this story right here ( or anywhere else ) to a "mass email" using Outlook Express.

11 posted on 12/28/2002 2:53:13 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Don't forget these:
NBC media village

12 posted on 12/28/2002 3:09:12 AM PST by mathluv
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To: JohnHuang2
We need to keep up the heat til Sen. Murray is gone and screw the wussies in our party like Sen. Lugar who want to excuse what she said. I think what she said is inexcusable, the remarks are not worth defending, and she's not entitled to represent her party in the Senate. Oh Patty its time for you to go!!!
13 posted on 12/28/2002 3:10:20 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: JohnHuang2
Being a democrat means you don't have to say you are sorry! They are one sorry bunch of packrats!
14 posted on 12/28/2002 3:39:22 AM PST by Jaidyn
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The senator then asked the students: "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that

They would look at 'us' as the evil, rich, infidels who helped give them shelter, food, education, arms and now have a huge bullseye on 'our' collective backs.

Didn't 'we' aid and assist has-been larder, back when he was just a freedom fighter?

16 posted on 12/28/2002 3:44:01 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: DocFarmer
Good work. Welcome to FR.


17 posted on 12/28/2002 4:13:53 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: backhoe; JohnHuang2
Good morning!


18 posted on 12/28/2002 4:16:35 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Seasons greetings, M Kehoe.
19 posted on 12/28/2002 4:26:44 AM PST by backhoe
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To: mommadooo3
What really gets to me is the comments about bin Laden building the day care centers. Apparently the misinformed and gullible Ms. Murray thinks bin Laden built these day care centers so the Muslim mummies could scamper off to work or the mall and leave little Mahmoud and Achmed in good hands in kind of a "mothers morning out".

This seems to me to be detachment from reality and is very dangerous coming from someone with the power of a U.S. Senator.

Is anyone else alarmed particulary by this part of her statement and what on earth was she refering to?

20 posted on 12/28/2002 4:29:03 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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