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Salvation Army refuses Lotto winner's $100,000 donation
Naples News ^ | 12/28/02 | Ray Parker

Posted on 12/28/2002 3:32:10 AM PST by Fighting Irish

Lottery winner David Rush was irked Friday to find out local Salvation Army officials rejected his $100,000 donation.

The religious charity, popularly known for its bell ringers outside shopping malls during the holidays, preaches against gambling.

"The money that Mr. Rush received was via the lottery: We preach against gambling," said spokeswoman Maribeth Shanahan, who spoke on behalf of Cleo Damon, who heads the Collier County chapter and decided not to accept the donation. "To accept it would be to talk out both sides of our mouth."

Rush, a financial adviser, doesn't see lottery money as gambling. In his view, the money reaped from Wall Street investments involves a risk-gain factor, not unlike a lottery ticket.

"Everybody has a right to be sanctimonious if they want to be," Rush said. "I respect the Salvation Army's decision. I do not agree with it, but that is their prerogative."

Instead, he will donate the money to other groups with similar missions.

The Marco Island resident donated to charities such as the Salvation Army prior to his windfall last week, which amounted to a 25 percent share of the $100 million lottery jackpot.

The 71-year-old took a lump sum payment of $14.2 million.

Earlier this week at a Rotary Club of Marco Island luncheon, he handed out checks for $100,000 to the Salvation Army, $100,000 to Habitat for Humanity of Collier County, and $50,000 to the Rotary Club.

Jerry Brunette, the Rotary Club's Salvation Army liaison, accepted the check, not knowing there would be a problem.

Even so, Brunette said he understands why the Salvation Army rejected the money.

"If everyone acted as strongly on their principles, we wouldn't need a Salvation Army" to help the poor and needy, Brunette said.

In addition to those three groups, Rush said he made contributions to his other favorite charities, including two churches.

Shanahan, the local Salvation Army director of community relations and development, stressed the group could have used the money.

Over the holidays, from Nov. 18 until Christmas Eve, local Salvation Army bell ringers collected more than $105,000, Shanahan said.

There's not a final figure on the total donations collected by the group, which, she said, helped more than 6,000 people with food, toys or clothing during the holiday season.


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KEYWORDS: gambling; idiots; lottery; moraldilemma; salvationarmy
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1 posted on 12/28/2002 3:32:10 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: Fighting Irish
Kudos to the Salvation Army for standing on principle. They could have taken the money and explained it was a one time exception to the rules. Now that was a LOT of money and if character is doing the right thing when no one's looking the Salvation Army stepped up to the plate to do it. Their beliefs are against gambling and they took a hit in the pocketbooks to be true to their beliefs. The reason this is so extraordinary is most people prefer to go along with the crowd to avoid offending any one. As it turned out the Salvation Army for once lived up to its name since it is in the business of saving souls. I'd say what it got for doing what it did can't really be measured in dollars and is a whole more priceless.
2 posted on 12/28/2002 3:44:34 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
They hit a grand slam for principle. Most would sell their souls for a slide into first.
3 posted on 12/28/2002 3:47:04 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: Fighting Irish; goldstategop
Agreed - they don't need filthy lucre. I appreciate the S.A. for being real.
4 posted on 12/28/2002 3:48:36 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: BradyLS
I'm not sure that made any sense. Kudos to the Salvation Army for really doing the right thing.
5 posted on 12/28/2002 3:49:17 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: Fighting Irish
He should give it anonymously in varying sums in all the salvation army kettles around. Cash is very hard to trace...he should send it anonymously!
6 posted on 12/28/2002 3:50:42 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Fighting Irish
Kudos to the Salvation Army for standing on principle.

A year ago they stopped the gay hustle in its tracks by refusing to kowtow to them as well. Gotta admire 'em for their adherence to their faith.

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7 posted on 12/28/2002 3:53:19 AM PST by JCG
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To: goldstategop
Here's a thought. Those who believe that this branch of the Salvation Army did the right thing should do the right thing. Does anyone have their address? I'd be willing to send a few dollars to thank them for sticking to principle.

When I first read this, I have to confess that it seemed ridiculous to refuse the money. But,it isn't. It's poor people not much different from those who the Salvation Army helps who are victimized by the lotteries. Maybe the example they set will help at least some people realize they shouldn't be buying lottery tickets if they can't afford other things.

I'm still not sure about refusing the donation. If this guy were truly a good samaritan he would find a way to get it to them anonymously...maybe lots of $100 bills in kettles.

8 posted on 12/28/2002 3:57:05 AM PST by grania
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To: Fighting Irish
The Salvation Army has one of the lowest expense ratios of all charities, something less than 10 percent.
9 posted on 12/28/2002 4:02:57 AM PST by angkor
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To: Fighting Irish
The money was not stolen or illegally gotten. There is no Bible injunction against gambling, just like there is none against alcohol. There are injunctions against greed, theft, and drunkeness. The man just wanted to give a little back and I just don't see a Bible injunction<"Thou shalt not take winnings from gambling as a donation for the poor!" in my Bible.

What I do see is a hypocritical organization making a public spectacle of this man,humiliating him instead of extending him Christ's grace. They should have accepted his money, and given him a Bible or something. What an evil man this was...why he GAMBLED! Yeah, they stood on principle all right..though I'm not sure it was Christ's principle they stood on(Can we say pharisee...boys and girls?)
10 posted on 12/28/2002 4:03:26 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
.....kinda like if he wants to volunteer for the salvation army will the let him because he is a former gambler....I agree with you on this one : )
11 posted on 12/28/2002 4:12:12 AM PST by alisasny
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To: mdmathis6
It's tough to deduct $100,000 in cash donations - no receipts. Lucky for us the IRS keeps track of such things, huh?
12 posted on 12/28/2002 4:14:20 AM PST by Bernard
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To: mdmathis6
If that is their standard, then applaud them not castigate them. You can as easily say there is no injunction against homosexuality (as many liberal theologians do- for obvious reasons) so the SA should accept homosexuals.

All of us have a set of beliefs that we live by, Some may track right with Christ's and some may be more restrictive. I will not condemn those who are more restrictive than mine and hope they will not condemn me (such as enjoying movies - including Harry Potter).

Where I do have a problem is with those who trash the Bible and allow things that are clearly not allowed- such as homosexuality. Gambling my not be excluded, but when you look at the results of gambling and the hurt it can cause, I see no problem with it being on someone's excluded list.
13 posted on 12/28/2002 4:14:53 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: grania
It was the public example made of the man that I have a problem with. I'm sure all these West Virginia baptists got to clucking together over such an aweful sin in that organinzation...I notice it was a spokeswoman who spoke of the Salvation Army's refusal of his money...where was the director. The man should give a huge amount in cash quietly and then announce what he had done with-out specifying the amount publically. Let the Salvation Army try to figure out how much was given at that point so that they could give it back to him...lets see this much from the public and this much from him...lol lol...they couldn't do it.

Wow, he won money in the lottery, such an absolute evilly lucre'd thing(eeeexcellent Smithers) to do...lets just condemn the man publically. Yeah I know many souls have a gambling problem but there is no absolute Bible law that says a man sins in forking over a few bucks for some tickets. We always have a habit of reading into scripture more rules than what the bible states while ignoring the most important injunctions such as Christians loving one another, and extending grace to each other when we have all been overtaken in a fault from time to time. We Christians continue to choke on each others gnats while we swallow whole camels...or expect others to swallow our Camels(or smoke them if you are rabidly anti-smoking)....Know wonder why we Christians come across as hardly relevant in today's world, when the world so desperately needs the message we have to give!
14 posted on 12/28/2002 4:24:30 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: grania
It was the public example made of the man that I have a problem with. I'm sure all these West Virginia baptists got to clucking together over such an aweful sin in that organinzation...I notice it was a spokeswoman who spoke of the Salvation Army's refusal of his money...where was the director. The man should give a huge amount in cash quietly and then announce what he had done with-out specifying the amount publically. Let the Salvation Army try to figure out how much was given at that point so that they could give it back to him...lets see this much from the public and this much from him...lol lol...they couldn't do it.

Wow, he won money in the lottery, such an absolute evilly lucre'd thing(eeeexcellent Smithers) to do...lets just condemn the man publically. Yeah I know many souls have a gambling problem but there is no absolute Bible law that says a man sins in forking over a few bucks for some tickets. We always have a habit of reading into scripture more rules than what the bible states while ignoring the most important injunctions such as Christians loving one another, and extending grace to each other when we have all been overtaken in a fault from time to time. We Christians continue to choke on each others gnats while we swallow whole camels...or expect others to swallow our Camels(or smoke them if you are rabidly anti-smoking)....Know wonder why we Christians come across as hardly relevant in today's world, when the world so desperately needs the message we have to give!
15 posted on 12/28/2002 4:35:50 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
I waited to weigh in on this until a few comments came in and this is my two cents worth...

I applaud the SA for having the courage of it's convictions but I personally think they are off base.

Exactly what constitutes gambling? Is spending the few cents on a stamp for the Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes gambling? What's the difference?

The bible indicates the the "Wealth of the heathen is laid up for the just". Sounds to me like God makes the heathen rich so they can be provoked to give to the believers.

And the problem with this is............?

16 posted on 12/28/2002 4:36:35 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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Idiots...
17 posted on 12/28/2002 4:38:55 AM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: mdmathis6
I expect the SA was more concerned with their standing among the thousands of gambling addicts in their care than with the possible affront to a man who, after all, is getting plenty of (undeserved) accolades. The fact that a spokesman, rather than the head of the SA, made the announcement refutes the claim that this was a publicity stunt on their part. The initial donation got a lot of media play; their response was a model of restraint. This doesn't strike me as pharisee behavior at all.
18 posted on 12/28/2002 4:39:09 AM PST by xlib
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To: Fighting Irish
I was thinking of that verse and the verse in Proverbs that says that "wealth gained by unrighteous usury is being saved up for the poor". Perhaps God is behind some of the poverty programs and taxes in this nation(certainly not all of them).
19 posted on 12/28/2002 4:41:08 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: goldstategop
Waiting for the SA to screen their donors to see if they drink alcohol or have profited from it.
20 posted on 12/28/2002 4:50:40 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: xlib
I agree that it was too public a donation for the man to have made..but they exacerbated the publicity by refusing it publically and commenting on it publically. Christ said that the children"of this world were often wiser than the children of Light". The SA's public mission is way beyond the sin's of gambling, they are dealing more with drug addicts and alcoholics,and homeless mentally ill patients abandoned by their families. Gambling is one of the least of their issues they are having to minister to that they should be making a public spectacle of! Ironically, they could have accepted the money to fund their anti-gambling ministries, and invited the man to join!
21 posted on 12/28/2002 4:51:41 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: goldstategop
I'm trying to figure out how to donate all my AmEx points to the Salvation Army. One of the few principalled orgs out there.
22 posted on 12/28/2002 4:54:37 AM PST by Mercat
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23 posted on 12/28/2002 4:55:32 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: mdmathis6
The SA's public mission is way beyond the sin's of gambling, they are dealing more with drug addicts and alcoholics,and homeless mentally ill patients abandoned by their families.

Lots of people who've ruined their lives through gambling addictions end up on SA's doorstep. I doubt they would knowingly accept donations from anyone who made windfall profits from drugs or alcohol either. They're not making a public spectacle, they're just being consistent.

24 posted on 12/28/2002 4:59:12 AM PST by xlib
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PRO (they shoulda took the money): But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel

CON: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

ETC (bible "lotteries"): And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat
::And Joshua cast lots for them in Shiloh before the LORD: and there Joshua divided the land unto the children of Israel according to their divisions

25 posted on 12/28/2002 5:02:46 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Fighting Irish
Rush, a financial adviser, doesn't see lottery money as gambling.

And ucc left wing liberal preachers don't see abortion as murder.

Both are wrong. The lottery is gambling and abortion is always first degree premeditated murder.

26 posted on 12/28/2002 5:03:07 AM PST by 2timothy3.16
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To: mdmathis6
There is no Bible injunction against gambling,

There sure is, it falls under "Thou shalt not covet".

I'll bet you a $1 I'm right on this one.

28 posted on 12/28/2002 5:09:18 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Salvation
ping
29 posted on 12/28/2002 5:17:51 AM PST by Ff--150
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To: AmericaUnited
"Thou shalt not covet" doesn't prohibit, say, getting a college education in order to increase one's chances of earning more money. Looking for income is not the sin. The commandment is talking about the kind of attitude that raises earthly goods up on a pedestal, and envies if it can't get them -- keeping up with the Joneses.
30 posted on 12/28/2002 5:22:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Fighting Irish
Lotteries aren't gambling. Gambling implies there could be winning. Lotteries are a tax. The chance of winning the lottery are less than the chances of the government screwing up and allowing you to keep some of your own money.
31 posted on 12/28/2002 5:24:37 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: 2timothy3.16
I disagree on your take on the lottery....however you're right on the money concerning abortion!
32 posted on 12/28/2002 5:25:16 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: xlib
see post 25...or how about when the disciples were divided as to who would replace Judas...they "cast lots" as to who it would be....Seems gambling has a place in history. The sailors on Jonah's ship "cast lots" in trying to figure out why they were beset by such a storm...and the lot fell to Jonah.

Yes, thou gamblest too much, thou hast problems and behold a ministry appeareth...thou eateth to much and behold...a ministry appeareth....You eateth too little and vomiteth up what little you hath and behold a ministry appeareth ....Thou worketh too much and forgetteth thy wife and child...behold a ministry appeareth to help and admonish thee when thou goest out of the way....Have thee a sexual orientation issue...behold a ministry appeareth ..thou drinketh of the evil rum too much...behold a ministry appeareth .....

Do you get my point...we can do the bad things and have it be sin or we can be out of balance in what we consider to be productive things as well. We can too involved in our families or not involved enough. We can be non-productive at work or too focused on the bottom line. Anything bad I do is sin..or any good thing I do not of faith is a sin. Behaving not of faith is sin and knowing to do good and not doing it is the sin most Christians are most guilty of. The prestige of the SA might have been questioned in some eyes if they had taken EVIL GAMBLING MONEY...but what of their duty to the doner him-self...was he in fact...helped?
33 posted on 12/28/2002 5:26:06 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: AmericaUnited
Nope. Gambling became taboo in the Christian church because the Roman soldiers gambled for Jesus' clothes.
34 posted on 12/28/2002 5:26:42 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Fighting Irish
SA won't accept donations from liquor businesses either, even though there is no way of knowing if the businesses' customers used the alcohol for evil purposes. It's their prerogative. If the offer was made privately then SA should have refused privately and shame on them if they didn't. But I get the sense that Rush is the one that made it public.
35 posted on 12/28/2002 5:28:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Fighting Irish
I guess it doesn't hurt to cut off your nose to spite your face,when it ain't your nose being cut off.
36 posted on 12/28/2002 5:29:35 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: 2timothy3.16
Show me the verse that says "thou shalt not gamble". I dare say that steps of faith are risks, can be cosidered a gamble as they take us from what is familiar to what is not. We have the assurances that God is with us as we grope for him in faith...but it always remains one fateful step off after another...until we see him face to face!
37 posted on 12/28/2002 5:33:34 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Fighting Irish
Well, he could always anonymously dump a couple hundred bucks in each bell ringers bucket if he wanted to next year. Anonymously is, imo, the most selfless way to donate anyhow taxes be damned.
38 posted on 12/28/2002 5:34:54 AM PST by glory
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To: goldstategop
Oh, I agree with you. They will definitely be getting a check next year from us, but if this man really wanted to help still, he could always do so anonymously in the buckets next year.
39 posted on 12/28/2002 5:36:53 AM PST by glory
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To: mdmathis6
Lottery winner David Rush was irked Friday to find out local Salvation Army officials rejected his $100,000 donation.

NOTE: This David Rush is not the gentleman from West Virginia who just won the Power Ball Lotto for $345 million.

40 posted on 12/28/2002 5:37:12 AM PST by kipj
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To: mdmathis6
It was a real hot potato for SA. Too bad Rush didn't know that ahead of time, but his donation will certainly not go wanting for another Christian home. He should keep it quiet, however, except of course to the IRS.
41 posted on 12/28/2002 5:37:43 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mdmathis6
It doesn't matter whether you agree with the idea of gambling being wrong. What matters is that they stood on principle based on what they believe. I admire that.
42 posted on 12/28/2002 5:40:27 AM PST by alnick
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To: Fighting Irish
Lottery winner David Rush was irked Friday to find out local Salvation Army officials rejected his $100,000 donation. The religious charity, popularly known for its bell ringers outside shopping malls during the holidays, preaches against gambling. "The money that Mr. Rush received was via the lottery: We preach against gambling," said spokeswoman Maribeth Shanahan, who spoke on behalf of Cleo Damon, who heads the Collier County chapter and decided not to accept the donation. "To accept it would be to talk out both sides of our mouth." ... Shanahan, the local Salvation Army director of community relations and development, stressed the group could have used the money.

This is precisely why the Salvation Army gets my money, including the share that the Red Cross, in its various guises, never will.

Anyone who thinks that lotteries are not gambling have never been in line in a convenience store watching the desperate, pathetic people buying tickets with rolls of coins, or the piles and piles of losing scratch tickets in the parking lots. But it's for the State, so it's not gambling.

And one can be certain that when the directors of the Red Cross get out of their Learjet, they would have fellated the Devil for this donation, regardless of where it came from or how it was won.

43 posted on 12/28/2002 5:41:21 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: mdmathis6
Yeah, I'll believe that when the "poor" don't have a better Christmas than folks I know in the middle class who don't get WIC, food stamps, etc.
44 posted on 12/28/2002 5:41:44 AM PST by glory
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To: Fighting Irish
There's a principle here that is being overlooked:

Matthew 6:
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

45 posted on 12/28/2002 5:44:57 AM PST by Miles Bennel
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To: Gorzaloon
Lotteries are "not gambling" in a similar sense to that McDonald's is "not overeating."
46 posted on 12/28/2002 5:45:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
apples and oranges---lottery is getting something for nothing, getting a college education would be considered earning your money by the sweat of your brow as God decreed.
I do think though that the man was blessed with this to bless Christian charities though. I'm sure it's been a long time since someone who won one of these things was so blatantly Christian and would give so much to Christian organizations. Perhaps SA refusing the money is God's way of saying to the lottery winner to make his donations more discreet or anonymously to avoid pride ya think?
47 posted on 12/28/2002 5:45:29 AM PST by glory
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To: Fighting Irish
I trust the Salvation Army are going to track down every drunk and gambler who dropped a couple of bucks into their kettles over the holiday season too.
48 posted on 12/28/2002 5:46:38 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Fighting Irish
It is scary when a financial advisor does not see the difference between the lotery and investments: Rush, a financial adviser, doesn't see lottery money as gambling. In his view, the money reaped from Wall Street investments involves a risk-gain factor, not unlike a lottery ticket. Poor clients.

Nor does he appear to know the difference between the singular and the plural: "Everybody has a right to be sanctimonious if they want to be," Rush said.

So what does he know?

49 posted on 12/28/2002 5:48:06 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: mdmathis6
There is no Bible injunction against gambling, just like there is none against alcohol.

"Drink not wine nor strong drink": Leviticus.

There are injunctions against greed, theft, and drunkeness. The man just wanted to give a little back and I just don't see a Bible injunction<"Thou shalt not take winnings from gambling as a donation for the poor!" in my Bible.

I would think that the chance of getting a million dollars for a dollar would be not only the ultimate example of greed, but also pretty high up on the "covet" scale.

Look at the frenzy surrounding each big jackpot. There is nothing healthy or virtuous about it.

Satan loves despair and bitterness, and every jackpot produces millions of disillusioned people.

50 posted on 12/28/2002 5:48:55 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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