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Immigration and Texas' Budget Crisis: The Elephant in the Room
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | December 30, 2002 | Chris Allen

Posted on 12/30/2002 5:37:04 AM PST by SJackson

The coming session of the Texas Legislature has been billed as "the perfect storm" because of the looming $5 to $12 billion-dollar budget shortfall. Although the evidence suggests that immigration, both legal and illegal, is fueling the rapid growth in state spending on social services, this issue is almost entirely absent from the debate.

It is well established that recent immigrants use more in services than they pay in taxes, particularly to state and local governments. The National Research Council, a branch of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences, estimates the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with most government expenditures on immigrants coming from state and local coffers, while most taxes paid by immigrants go to the federal treasury. This is the result of the relatively low level of tax payments by immigrants, because they are disproportionately low-skilled and thus earn low wages, and a higher rate of consumption of government services, both because of their relative poverty and their higher fertility.

According to 2000 U.S. Census data, some 13.2 percent of immigrants enroll in welfare programs compared with 2.1 percent of native-born Americans. In Medicaid, 18.6 percent of immigrants participate, as opposite 12.1 percent of native-born. Mexican immigrants, who comprise the vast majority of immigrants to Texas, use food stamps at nearly twice the rate of native-born Americans and collect an average welfare payment that is 20 percent higher than those recipients.

The National Research Council found that in California, which has endured a similar flood of Mexican immigration as Texas, each native household is paying about $1,178 a year in state and local taxes to cover the gap between the services used by immigrant households and their tax receipts. Although Texas was not included in this study, there is no reason to think the reality is any different here.

Indeed, during the last three years, the Harris County Hospital District alone spent $330 million to treat and immunize illegal immigrants, estimated to be at least 20 percent of their indigent caseload. The District covers this expense through its escalating tax burden on local taxpayers and through cost-shifting to Medicaid and insured patients. The District provides not only emergency care to illegal immigrants, but also a full range of elective services, even access to its fertility clinic that is not included in the health plan for District employees. While the 700,000 illegal immigrants in Texas are only eligible for welfare if they have worked for at least ten years or received asylum, they receive free health care, food stamps, education, and nearly all other government services.

In 2002, Medicaid represented 22.6% of Texas' budget. That number is expected to increase to 23.7% in 2003 in the wake of an August 19 report by the Health and Human Services Commission concluding that, because of higher-than-planned growth in caseloads, the state's Medicaid and children's health insurance programs will cost $2.4 billion more in the next budget cycle than in the current one. Since 1987, the Texas Medicaid budget has grown 500 percent, due in large part to increased enrollment, much of it undoubtedly the result of immigration.

The growth in state health care spending is just one example of how immigration is contributing to the budget shortfall. All of the school districts in South Texas receive Robin Hood recapture payments. Although these districts would likely be poor regardless of current levels of immigration, they would not be experiencing such large growth in their enrollments. It is this growth that is responsible for the budget crises in both urban and suburban districts that are being forced to send more and more of their local tax revenues to the state, leaving them unable to meet the needs of their own students.

Immigration is also a major factor in the population growth that is responsible for growing traffic congestion and pollution in Texas' major cities.

Ultimately, the Legislature's sensitivity to public opinion is likely to forestall a general tax increase this session, but that may come at the expense of vital funding for transportation and higher education, as well as Robin Hood relief. Unfortunately, even though the state bears most of the cost of immigration, it is virtually powerless to control it because it is the constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

Until Washington fortifies border enforcement to stop illegal immigration and reduces the number of unskilled legal immigrants, Texans will pay for the consequences, whether in higher taxes or the crowding out of important government services. While immigrants continue to contribute much to Texas and the nation, if we attempt to absorb all of the many millions of indigent people throughout the world, we will sacrifice the very quality of life that has led so many people to come here.

Chris Allen is State Chairman of the Young Conservatives of Texas (www.yct.org) and a graduate student at the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University.

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1 posted on 12/30/2002 5:37:04 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Send the bill to the Feds, they ‘control’ the boarder. Time for the Feds to pay for this mess. It is not fair for the locals to pay out of their pocket since they cannot 'control' the boarders.
2 posted on 12/30/2002 6:15:11 AM PST by Lockbox
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To: Lockbox
"Time for the Feds to pay for this mess"
That doesn't solve anything - no American taxpayer should have to pay for this mess - we need to refuse free medical treatment to these illegals, arrest employers who hire them, and landlords that harbor them.
3 posted on 12/30/2002 6:26:15 AM PST by afz400
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To: SJackson
Bump
4 posted on 12/30/2002 6:28:21 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: SJackson
bttt
5 posted on 12/30/2002 6:38:09 AM PST by junta
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To: SJackson
Now for some reality:

Major issues to be addressed in the upcoming lesislature:

Insurance reform. Homeowner and automobile
Limiting govt/budget issues- driven by Gov Perry(aka Mr Veto) and the "Rebels who had a cause"
Tort/Malpractice lawsuits
School Finance
Transportation- the last session abandoned "pay-as-you-go"
Redistricting

6 posted on 12/30/2002 6:42:06 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: SJackson
This problem is so big I doubt it can be solved. Texas DHS is over run with illegals and can not do a thing about it. As the laws now stand these people are entitled. It is neither the state or feds paying the price. WE ARE.
7 posted on 12/30/2002 6:50:17 AM PST by dalebert
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To: SJackson
The District provides not only emergency care to illegal immigrants, but also a full range of elective services, even access to its fertility clinic that is not included in the health plan for District employees. While the 700,000 illegal immigrants in Texas are only eligible for welfare if they have worked for at least ten years or received asylum, they receive free health care, food stamps, education, and nearly all other government services.

There's a big chunk of the problem. Sounds pretty straightforward.

Until Washington fortifies border enforcement to stop illegal immigration and reduces the number of unskilled legal immigrants

Well no, that is only part of the solution. A big part would be to work on folks who are already here: 1) kick everybody who ain't supposed to be here OUT and 2) tighten the belt and get hardassical on their a$$es, in the best spirit of the "orphanage" Republican-- you wanna get yourself out of abject poverty? Don't expect food stamps from us... Get a job and better yourself like every other taxpaying American...

This boggles my mind, that it is apparently known just about exactly how many illegal immigrants are in Texas. Well if you know how many, then you presumably know WHERE THEY'RE AT! And if you know where they're at, you could presumably round 'em up and ship 'em back! What's the problem here?!

8 posted on 12/30/2002 6:50:24 AM PST by maxwell
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To: SJackson
According to 2000 U.S. Census data, some 13.2 percent of immigrants enroll in welfare programs

And they all live in Texas? No, both the burden and the benefit of immigration is sprinkled throughout the nation.

I live in Texas. While Hispanic immigrants are more concentrated here than in other areas of the country, am I really supposed to blame a $5 billion budget shortfall on Hispanic immigrants? Ridiculous. (Notice the article never uses the word "Hispanic"; instead, "immigrant" is code for Hispanic.)

Texas budget woes are complex. With respect to immigrants, immigrants pay rent, purchase gods, pay sales tax, pay gasoline tax, provide labor and services and on an on, and while no one has real stats on the gray/black economy, immigrants are more than likely a net PLUS for the Texas economy.

This article is out of the same Trent Lott school of thought that served him so well. Should our borders be respected? Of course. But the notions expressed and hinted at in this article should be passionately rejected.

9 posted on 12/30/2002 7:22:33 AM PST by RainDog
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To: RainDog
purchase gods = purchase goods
10 posted on 12/30/2002 7:24:43 AM PST by RainDog
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To: SJackson
Although the evidence suggests that immigration, both legal and illegal, is fueling the rapid growth in state spending on social services, this issue is almost entirely absent from the debate.

Tell us about it...

11 posted on 12/30/2002 7:27:57 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: SJackson
Someone better re-think "The Future Is Texas".
12 posted on 12/30/2002 7:35:56 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: Lockbox
Send the bill to the Feds, they ‘control’ the boarder. Time for the Feds to pay for this mess

The Feds is you.

13 posted on 12/30/2002 7:37:22 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: SJackson
bttttttt
14 posted on 12/30/2002 7:38:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: *immigrant_list; madfly; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Joe Hadenuf; Tailgunner Joe; ...
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15 posted on 12/30/2002 7:40:07 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Lockbox
Your post is remarkably reasonable. I predict it will be drowned out, unfortunately, by those who would rather gun down Mexican grandmas and toddlers than let them cross over into freedom as a way of life. You are right that it is not fair that the burden be disproportionately borne by those in the border states.
16 posted on 12/30/2002 7:46:26 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: RainDog
Oh, they pay rent? What's that suppose to mean? You know good and well renters do not pay property taxes, nor school taxes.

There is a middle school here that is 90% illegals, drive to your local welfare office, report your findings back here. Go to your local free clinic, report back here if you are fair. I have done this, I can report there ain't a whole lot of Americans there. The majority presence is illegal emigrants and new arrivals that are un-needed and unwanted, and have no prospects of enriching anyones lives but their own while depressing the living standard for natural born Americans, especially our elderly who have a hard time holding onto their homes because of the property tax burden.

It is not just Mexican illegals, it is also the massive emigrant influx from all over the world, some legal, many not legal. All working low paying jobs, and renting apartments, and none of it contributes to their cost in services. Our property taxes have gone up, yet again, it costs almost $4,000 a year per student none of which is covered by the presence of these foreigners.

I stopped suffering pangs of conscience for any but my own fellow American years ago. Slaves of globalism they are rousted, robbed, and throughly put upon, and demanded more from. It is not our constitutional obligation to be slaves of such a system, nor is it our obligation to save or feed the world. I'm ready to see some "Compassionate Conservatism" for the ones that deserve it, our young, and our elderly, and our citizens whose culture and values are being drowned out, not to mention our votes.
17 posted on 12/30/2002 7:46:32 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: RainDog
. With respect to immigrants, immigrants pay rent, purchase gods, pay sales tax, pay gasoline tax, provide labor and services and on an on, and while no one has real stats on the gray/black economy, immigrants are more than likely a net PLUS for the Texas economy.

The part you forgot is that illegals send 40 to 50 percent of their check back to their home country. This doesn't do a damn thing for our economy.

18 posted on 12/30/2002 7:48:58 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: MissAmericanPie
You know good and well renters do not pay property taxes, nor school taxes

Actually they do but it is all wrapped up in the price of their rent. You honestly think the property owner isn't going to get the costs of property taxes out of the renters ?

19 posted on 12/30/2002 7:50:25 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: afz400
.... we need to refuse free medical treatment to these illegals, arrest employers who hire them, and landlords that harbor them.

Absolutely right!

And deport, deport, deport......after fingerprinting and pictures

20 posted on 12/30/2002 8:02:45 AM PST by citizen
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To: RainDog
It is well established that recent immigrants use more in services than they pay in taxes, particularly to state and local governments. The National Research Council, a branch of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences, estimates the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with most government expenditures on immigrants coming from state and local coffers, while most taxes paid by immigrants go to the federal treasury. This is the result of the relatively low level of tax payments by immigrants, because they are disproportionately low-skilled and thus earn low wages, and a higher rate of consumption of government services, both because of their relative poverty and their higher fertility.

What about the above paragraph doesn't indicate to you that illegals are costing you, and all of us, huge portions of our tax money? These statistics are similar to those from the Center for Immigration Studies who also estimate that every illegal takes $55,200 more from the system than they contribute.

(Notice the article never uses the word "Hispanic"; instead, "immigrant" is code for Hispanic.)

Maybe this is due to the fact that the author, as are most people, is as not concerned where the illegals come from, but is more concerned that taxpayers’ money is being spent on those who break and enter into our country. It doesn’t matter if the illegal is from Mexico, Canada, or Sweden, but the fact that they are law breakers who leach of the American taxpayer through the use of social services should be of concern to you and every law-abiding taxpayer. They then have the unmitigated gall to turn around and call the American citizen a racist to even suggest these law breakers should be sent home.

immigrants are more than likely a net PLUS for the Texas economy.

Where are your statistics for this, or is this merely your own feel-good opinion? The above article, numerous CIS researched reports and numerous other articles have statistics and researched studies that prove otherwise.

But the notions expressed and hinted at in this article should be passionately rejected.

What notions are those? If you are referring to the fact that all illegals who break and enter into America, whose first act of coming to this country is a criminal act, who suck a the teat of the American taxpayer through social services, who threaten American citizens living on the border, should all be sent back to where they came from, then these notions should be passionately supported, not rejected.

21 posted on 12/30/2002 8:04:34 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Centurion2000
Do you think that an apartment complex pays, at the minimum, $2,700.00 per renter based on the average lowest priced home costing 70/80, per year in property taxes when their rent averages about 500 a month? And that figgure does not even throw school taxes into the mix.

22 posted on 12/30/2002 8:26:37 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: RainDog; B4Ranch
am I really supposed to blame a $5 billion budget shortfall on Hispanic immigrants?

No. The article stated "Immigrants", both legal and illegal. Just because you wish to believe that the word "immigrant" is some type of code word for "Hispanic" is your own problem.

Yes the majority of immigrants are Hispanic, and Hispanics are more likely to use the welfare system, the article and study are speaking of all immigrants, not just Hispanics, as you wish to believe. All immigrants, both legal and illegal use the welfare system, but illegal "Hispanics" use it more than others.

As B4 stated, the majority of illegal Hispanics send their cash back to Mexico. Over 90% of Mexico's Gross National Product, comes from cash sent home by it's legal and illegal immigrants in the US.

There have been many studies done, and all will tell you that illegal immigration is a net lose to our economy, whether it is "Hispanic" illegals or other illegals.

23 posted on 12/30/2002 8:26:43 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: MissAmericanPie
Well said!

Thank you

24 posted on 12/30/2002 8:32:17 AM PST by citizen
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To: Centurion2000
Landlords do indeed pay some property & school tax but it is proportionately much less per renter than a home owner pays on even the most modest of properties.

Much less. Low-rent apartment complexes don't pay nearly enough property & school tax to cover the expenses incurred by their tenants in school, medical, road costs, etc.

25 posted on 12/30/2002 8:42:11 AM PST by citizen
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To: Marine Inspector
Over 90% of Mexico's Gross National Product, comes from cash sent home by it's legal and illegal immigrants in the US.

Wow, if true! Is it really that high, 90%? Seems too high what with Mexico being an oil exporter, a tourista destination, suger cane, and a lot else. But I don't know, just asking.

If it's anywhere near 90% or even over 50%, I can see why Fox will do anything to help his Illegals invade and nothing to stop them.

BTW, it's a very different story on Mexico's southern border. It's protected by deadly military force.

26 posted on 12/30/2002 9:26:49 AM PST by citizen
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To: RainDog
If you are so pro-illegal-immigrant, then how about picking up the costs yourself?

This article is out of the same Trent Lott school of thought that served him so well. Should our borders be respected? Of course. But the notions expressed and hinted at in this article should be passionately rejected.

Are you trying to race bait with that comment?

27 posted on 12/30/2002 9:33:45 AM PST by sixmil
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To: SJackson
"The National Research Council found that in California, which has endured a similar flood of Mexican immigration as Texas, each native household is paying about $1,178 a year in state and local taxes to cover the gap between the services used by immigrant households and their tax receipts. Although Texas was not included in this study, there is no reason to think the reality is any different here."

Wrong.

California relies upon income taxes, which the illegals don't pay, while Texas relies on sales taxes and property taxes, which the illegals DO pay.

Yeah, I know they usually rent, but the landlord pays the property tax - and where do you think he gets the money to do that?

28 posted on 12/30/2002 9:55:08 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob
RE renters paying taxes via a landlord, Please see posts 22 & 25.
29 posted on 12/30/2002 9:59:18 AM PST by citizen
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To: MissAmericanPie
Oh, they pay rent? What's that suppose to mean? You know good and well renters do not pay property taxes, nor school taxes.


Just curious as to who pays them? I realize the property owner does but doesn't he collect enough in rent to pay for them? If not he's a poor manager of his assets. The consumer always is the one who pays.... companies, businesses etc only collect and pass it though
30 posted on 12/30/2002 10:08:37 AM PST by deport
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To: MissAmericanPie; B4Ranch; gubamyster; Marine Inspector; sixmil
The Freepers with the "send them packing" perspective and those who suggest I personally foot the tab for all immigrants, most likely do not live among and interact daily with "immigrants" as friends, neighbors, and stakeholders in what makes Texas Texas.

This discussion is wide open with so many points to be made that the result will likely be a tit-for-tat tangled mess.

So allow me to simplify the discussion: immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser. Just ask Pete Wilson. Wasn't he supposed to be president by now, hmmm?

I repeat, any notion that Texas' $5 billion shortfall is due to immigrants should be passionately rejected. Why not just blame senior citizens? They probably cost more and contribute far less; such a notion is equally absurd.

Specious reasoning = bad politics/policy.

31 posted on 12/30/2002 10:10:42 AM PST by RainDog
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To: deport
RE renters paying taxes via a landlord, Please see posts 22 & 25.
32 posted on 12/30/2002 10:26:55 AM PST by citizen
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To: citizen; Marine Inspector
Mexicans to send home $13 billion dollars in 2002

Mexico GDP at $617.9 billion dollars

33 posted on 12/30/2002 10:27:11 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: RainDog
Your Hollier than thou attitude is ridiculous. My next door neighbor is a Permanent Resident Alien from MEXICO, of all places. Arturo and his wife work their tails off in a new restaruant they started two years ago. He will not hire "illegal wetbacks", his phraseology by the way. The last two that stopped in for employment application resulted in him calling the Sheriffs Office on them.

So quit blowing smoke up our ass with your "immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser"! A lawbreaker is a lawbreaker everywhere except amongst politicians where they see a potential voter.

34 posted on 12/30/2002 10:31:07 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: citizen
Regarding the property tax, how does one compare a 550 sq ft apt to a $70-80,000 house on a lot?
35 posted on 12/30/2002 10:34:41 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: citizen
Yes I understand but that becomes an appraisal thing doesn't it. Plus you have many more rental units on the same sized piece of property that a single family unit occupies thus the taxes are spread. A 100x150 (15,000 sqft) lot versus a little 700 sq foot apartment... Let's see (15,000 sqft) that's the equivalent of about 20 of those apts, and now stack them up to three stories, that's 60 rental units paying taxes on the same 15,000 sqft of property that one home owner is paying. Yep I understand .....
36 posted on 12/30/2002 10:37:43 AM PST by deport
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To: Ben Ficklin
Mexicans to send home $13 billion dollars in 2002/Mexico GDP at $617.9 billion dollars

Wonderful! It is nice to see our neighbor prosper. Sure beats all the direct foreign aid payments we make to non-NAFTA-neighbors across oceans while recieiving no goods or services in return.

It also pleases me to note that the $13 billion Mexicans sent home was made the American way-- they earned it.

37 posted on 12/30/2002 10:41:23 AM PST by RainDog
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To: B4Ranch
He will not hire "illegal wetbacks", his phraseology by the way. The last two that stopped in for employment application resulted in him calling the Sheriffs Office on them.

I'm sure Arturo works hard to please your perspective; it's good for his business in your market no doubt. Down here he could just hire those folks looking for honest work without having to call them "wetbacks."

The food would probably be better, too:)

38 posted on 12/30/2002 10:48:48 AM PST by RainDog
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To: RainDog
So allow me to simplify the discussion: immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser. Just ask Pete Wilson. Wasn't he supposed to be president by now, hmmm?

Why do I care what the political fallout would be – I’m not a politician, just a taxpayer. Besides according to recent polls the vast majority of Americans support both legal & illegal immigration control. Tom Tancredo was overwhelmingly reelected.

You should stick w/ Texas politics, because in CA prop. 187 was passed by 60% of the voters.

You are also incorrect that this is a moral loser. We are a country that adheres to the rule of law. Anyone who supports law breakers is a moral loser, not the other way around.

I repeat, any notion that Texas' $5 billion shortfall is due to immigrants should be passionately rejected.

You have absolutely no facts to backup you claim, while there are irrefutable facts to prove that illegals are costing the taxpayers billions of dollars, not to mention posing a huge security risk. (Right now the FBI is looking for 19 possible terrorists who are illegals.)

39 posted on 12/30/2002 10:53:13 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: RainDog
It also pleases me to note that the $13 billion Mexicans sent home was made the American way-- they earned it.

Breaking the law to enter the country is NOT the American way.

I doubt if most of these illegals earned their money the American way either. Most probably worked off the books, paid no social security taxes, no income taxes, no state taxes... Because they are willing to work for sub-minimum wages, no benefits and little recourse to their employer, they depress the wage rate for legal American workers. Why do you think businesses want to hire illegals - they are cheaper, they have no benefits & they can be fired for virtually no reason w/ little legal liability.

40 posted on 12/30/2002 11:01:21 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Right now the FBI is looking for 19 possible terrorists who are illegals.

The FBI is not interested in these immigrants as threats to the Texas budget. Different issue.

41 posted on 12/30/2002 11:05:27 AM PST by RainDog
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To: RainDog
Different issue.

You're right, that's why I put it in parentheses.

42 posted on 12/30/2002 11:10:19 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
The "Recent Poll" that you linked to is an article about a report on immigration and public opinion. That report is found at Worldview Reports.

Now you are going to find that this Worldview report has been/will be rewritten in many places and each and every time there is/will be something very important ommitted.

The Worldview Report inquired as to the basis of the opinion. As you see by looking, fear of Muzlims and terrorism accounted for double of that of fear of cultural change or fears of job security.

Ther is much on the web and at FR that has been manipulated to try to influence opinions. This but one example.

43 posted on 12/30/2002 11:17:57 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: gubamyster
Why do you think businesses want to hire illegals - they are cheaper, they have no benefits & they can be fired for virtually no reason w/ little legal liability.

Ranching, harvesting fruit, cosmetology, working in homes, and engaging in other low spectrum jobs-- and doing them well-- are neither held in esteem nor desired by most Americans. However, these jobs are the practical reality/opportunity for the majority of Texas immigrants.

Meanwhile, their kids go to school with mine, play on the same teams and chase the same dreams. With education and unique American opportunities, most second and third generation immigrants prosper as legal citizens and contribute to the fabric of our nation.

And if they're lucky, they still speak Spanish and come visit Texas/Mexico. I hope Arturo's children do.

I find the ability of some to navigate the cognitive dissonance of America hiring, financing, and encouraging these folks-- and yes, providing reluctant health care and other social services-- while at the same time demanding that the borders be locked down and with bitter tongue blaming immigrants for budget shortfalls, I find this reasoning/reality most fascinating.

44 posted on 12/30/2002 11:34:02 AM PST by RainDog
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To: Ben Ficklin
Here is another article on the study & excerpts:

Public, elite differ on immigration (New study says people anxious, leaders unconcerned)

The report is based on data from a recent survey on foreign-policy issues conducted by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. The survey, taken in May through July of this year, was based on 2,800 interviews of ordinary Americans and a cross-section of 400 "opinion leaders," including members of Congress, the administration, church leaders, business executives, union leaders, journalists, academics and leaders of major interest groups.

The survey also found that President Bush's calls for granting amnesty to an estimated 3 million illegal aliens currently residing in the U.S. is hurting him politically. Though 53 percent say he is handling foreign policy well, only 27 percent believe he is adequately addressing immigration.

45 posted on 12/30/2002 11:37:32 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: RainDog
Ranching, harvesting fruit, cosmetology, working in homes, and engaging in other low spectrum jobs-- and doing them well-- are neither held in esteem nor desired by most Americans.

This is another myth perpetuated by the pro-illegal crowd. These jobs are desired by American citizens and would be done by Americans at a fair wage. However, the use of illegal workers depresses the wages for these jobs fpor the reasons I stated above. Please do some research at The Center For Immigration Studies.

46 posted on 12/30/2002 11:43:25 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: RainDog
Meanwhile, their kids go to school with mine, play on the same teams and chase the same dreams. With education and unique American opportunities

Let them chase their dreams & educate their children on thier own dime - not that of the American taxpayer. If they want to come to America, stand in line and immigrate legally. Don't break and enter into my house, steal my silverware and then tell me you are only trying to better your life & chase your dream.

47 posted on 12/30/2002 11:50:08 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Iy doesn't make any difference where the article is published, it is still an article about the Worldviews Report. And the major underlying basis for the opinion is the Muz.

Let me point out something else found in the Worldview Report that has been/will be left out. It is also left out of every report on any poll of immigration opinions, no matter where they originate.

There is a historical perspective of immigration opinion. To get an understanding of this historical opinion and how polling questions are framed influences the answer, see this article

48 posted on 12/30/2002 11:53:52 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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The Center For Immigration Studies has their backgrounder report on the Worldview Report and it is numerous pages long. Nowhere in the CIS backgrounder report will you find that very critical piece of info about the fear of muzlims and terrorism.

It is pure,simple deception trying to manipulate.

49 posted on 12/30/2002 11:59:26 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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First of all as, as the article states, The report is based on data from a recent survey on foreign-policy issues conducted by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations.

Secondly from your WorldViews Report:

Related to the public’s concern about jobs for American workers is its uneasiness about immigration. Majorities of Americans favor reducing both legal and illegal immigration. Of special concern is controlling and reducing illegal immigration, which 70% say should be a very important goal of U.S. foreign policy. This percentage is up a substantial 15 points from 1998 when the U.S. economy was stronger, and is about comparable to the figure in 1994 when the economy was relatively shaky. Sixty percent say that large numbers of immigrants and refugees coming into the United States is a critical threat. This figure is up a bit from 1998, but substantially lower (by 12 points) than it was in 1994.

This would suggest to me that although not at today's level, prior to the 9-11 attacks, there was considerable opposition to illegals and support for immigration reform, unrelated to terror.

50 posted on 12/30/2002 12:12:48 PM PST by gubamyster
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