MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKS -- On purging of Lott, unfit leader, California, etc.

The Daily Oklahoman ^ | 30 December 2002 | Various

[deport]

LOL..... Well you are going to end the year with a "Lott" of bang... Beginning in a few days maybe this will be off the radar screen as other news items come to the front with the opening of the 108th, Iraq preperations, etc. It had died down some here except for a few that were still hanging on, something like some can't give up the Clintons and still put them front and center in events/discussions.

I supported the concept of not giving in to the race pimps when this all broke out. But it wasn't salvagable as Lott couldn't keep his mouth shut and the more he opened it the worse it got. President Bush has had to take him to the woodshed twice in the past 60 days or so. Once over the 'lame quack' session where Lott wanted to get out of town and the President had to explain to him about HSA/Terrorism Ins. etc. And the second time over the Strum statement. When Lott continued to progressively get worse with his statements/defense then it was time for him to go.

I wish you luck in putting an end/closure to this discussion here but I don't think it will happen. It will remain with a few just like others can't get over the Clintons and think they should be front and center. Other mediums will discuss it less and less as much other important issues come to the front.

Lott was the compromiser from day one but that's how the job is done. Politics is the art of compromise. Those that don't are always on the outside looking in telling everyone how they would do it if they had the vote.

Take care and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR

[PhiKapMom]

I understand what you all went through. You are right about the difference in experiences.

Believe we all have our work cut out for us in the months ahead especially with a RAT Governor here! Wish you would have been onboard the Largent campaign -- they could have used help!

Happy New Year and the best for 2003!

[EternalVigilance]

I'm doing great, thanks!

It's probably best for you that you weren't here for the Lott saga. ;-)

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for your comments!

You are probably right! Just thought I would take a stab at putting this behind going into supporting Frist in 2003! Was noticing too many comments being made that were swipes at the President and Rove on this that were still ongoing. So I figured I would put it on the table after reading this in my paper this morning!

Going to be a nasty campaign in 2004 and we need folks on the same page.

Have a great New Year!

[EternalVigilance]

Believe we all have our work cut out for us in the months ahead especially with a RAT Governor here! Wish you would have been onboard the Largent campaign -- they could have used help!

I hear you...Steve is a great man.

Happy New Year and the best for 2003!

Backatcha! :-)

[PhiKapMom]

It's probably best for you that you weren't here for the Lott saga. ;-)

I would agree with that statement 100%! Had a much more relaxing time seeing my daughter get married and then sightseeing with my youngest daughter all over SoCal! My blood pressure I am sure stayed a lot lower!

[GraniteStateConservative]

Jim is aware that this is now a Republican forum and has chosen to do nothing about it, so maybe others should leave for more hospitable habitats.

[cynicom]

Granite...

I love the pubs, they whine a lot, apologize for the government a lot, bash conservatives, and then when election time rolls around, they want our votes. Amazes me that they want rightwing zealots of the worst kind to vote pub or the sky will fall if the dems win. When pubs win, they ignore conservatives, when pubs lose, the nasty self centered conservatives did it. No win situation.

[BeachPaladin]

I won't dispute there are fine people on his staff, or Inhofe's staff either - but Nickle's political ambition to be Majority Leader means he and his staff had to go after the then current Majority Leader

I would guess that Nickles has ruined any chancee of achieving that goal now - personal opinion only

as for the diversity of people who were going after Lott - Washington has been described as a shark tank, I prefer the metaphor of piranhas - once they smell blood in the water, they swarm on the victim

[TLBSHOW]

Kwanzaa: Holiday
from the FBI

http://www.jewishworldreview.com --


LAST WEEK, President Clinton issued a formal White House proclamation celebrating the first day of Kwanzaa. His announcement began with some claptrap about preserving "what we value of our past," and Kwanzaa being a "wonderful example" with its "focus on the values that have sustained African-Americans through the centuries."

Except for the small historical detail that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 amidst the madness of the multicultural '60s by a black radical stooge of the FBI, Ron Karenga, a.k.a. Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.

In what was probably ultimately a foolish gamble, during the violent '60s, the FBI encouraged the most offensive black nationalist organizations in order both to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the organization, the better. Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. Despite public perception blending the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites and did not seek armed revolution. That was the trope of Karenga's United Slaves. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.

Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Interestingly though, in an 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. (He further noted that "the evidence was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.) Karenga should know about FBI infiltration.

Also, in the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Nigerian newspapers were claiming that many American black radicals were CIA operatives. Karenga leapt in to denounce the idea publicly, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."

There is no question now that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves, leading in one outburst to the shooting of Panther Al "Bunchy" Carter on the UCLA campus by Karenga's United Slaves. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.


























Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. Indeed, the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.

Asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism" in the 1995 interview, Karenga basically said that under Kawaida, we also hate whites. While taking the "best of" -- I'm not making this up -- "early Chinese and Cuban socialism," Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life-chances and self-understanding." There's a happy Horatio Alger story for you.

Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles (and this sounds like Saturday Night Live's send-up of the second presidential debate in which George Bush rattled off an endless series of Nigerian names): Umojo, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- precisely the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.

With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Clinton is saluting the intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police, and the founder of United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently violent -- all with the FBI as their covert ally. It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People might well stand up and take notice if that happened.

Liberals have become so mesmerized by the hegemonic multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity. Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa. United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, blowing away Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names. (That was a big help to the black community: How many boys named "Jamal" currently sit on death row?)

[cyncooper]

Why, oh, why are you posting this article on this thread and pinging me to it?

(In case you can't tell, I fully understand why, just pointing out its irrelevancy.)

[TLBSHOW]

oh thats right your answer was to be for what you said here.
Sorry

Please read the Coulter column and see if you think she says Lott should stay--I and others tried to tell certain posters that, while she deplored the glee of the dems' reaction, she thought he should go.

cyncooper

fyi:
On front page of Human Events Magazine...Ann never said Lott should step down for being a racist! More for being Like President Bush and saying nice things about Teddy! LOL

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/

REPUBLICANS SHOULD ask Trent Lott to step down, but only because he's said too many nice things about Ted Kennedy, writes Ann Coulter.

Also in this week's print edition:

,,,,
do you get it now?

[cyncooper]

do you get it now?

I never did not get it. Clearly you didn't read my entire post, or didn't "get" it.

[eeman]

I agree with you said except: GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!!!! (ahem, I live in Eastern Washington state).

But regarding Lott, I am still amazed that someone who has been in a leaderhip position so long could make himself so vulnerable by being that stupid. I am frankly happy that some deadwood has been removed from the leadership.

Maybe Lott should have tried a more Clintonian approach by saying "it's only about stupidity, let's move on."

My final thought is: If the Democrats got rid of their deadwood like Republicans do, Clinton would have resigned in 1998 and Gore would have been president and would been elected in 2000 (rather than just thinking he won).

[sinkspur]

Lott's gone, and Frist is next on the grill.
Are you going to be one of the ones doing the grilling? It looks that way, sorry to say.

No. I'm more loyal than some on this forum. I'll support Frist. But wait til he waffles on something like the PBA ban, and you'll have half the forum after his hide.

[PhiKapMom]

LOL!!!! Should be quite a game! From all accounts the Sooners are really enjoying the trip to the Rose Bowl! My final thought is: If the Democrats got rid of their deadwood like Republicans do, Clinton would have resigned in 1998 and Gore would have been president and would been elected in 2000 (rather than just thinking he won).

That is so true! I am glad that clinton stuck around though now so Gore lost!

[TLBSHOW]

So Much More Than Lott
So, already by Christmas the Republicans took their newly revealed "racist" Trent Lott and chopped him off like a hood ornament and left him folded up in the glove compartment like a paper napkin full of forgotten fruitcake.

Nice crisis resolution, huh? Neat image management, right?

Not so fast.

One problem. Trent Lott is NOT a racist.

Nobody believes Lott is a racist. His enemies don't believe that. His friends don't believe that. And nobody believes Trent Lott believes America would have been better off if Strom Thurmond had been elected president in 1948.

What everybody DOES believe is that Lott maladroitly gave his enemies the right to say, childhood-game fashion, "You SAID it and – ha ha – we can prove it!" Lott's true feelings – and actions – regarding racial issues fell off the bottom on the relevancy charts.

The Republican Party just turned and ran from what they feared would be dreadful political trouble down the road. That fear turned the quality of intra-party justice from King Solomon to King Kong.

Am I the only one troubled by this Republican unconditional surrender to an obviously phony charge?

Can anybody name the last Democrat tossed by his teammates into the crater of a live volcano no matter how racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American or clinically insane a comment he or she uttered?

Please don't misunderstand; I don't hold that Democratic loyalty to their rogues and fools as a role model. There simply wouldn't BE a Democratic Party if they jettisoned their own according to every political correctness breeze, real or artificial, the way the Republicans did. So let's stick to Republicans and Trent Lott.

In sticking to Trent Lott, let me quickly point out that I'm not talking about Trent Lott; rather, I'm talking about so much MORE than Trent Lott.

You hear Republicans ratifying their firing squad by saying, "I never thought much of him as a leader anyhow." Not even a nice try, folks. That doesn't in the slightest excuse the way you handled things.

"By the fifth or sixth apology he'd abandoned every principle that makes me a Republican in the first place," goes the refrain; and that's just as irrelevant as the justification preceding.

The key question, rather, is, What does the Trent Lott affair now say about the Republican Party? I suggest it says something that was better left as a vague suspicion or, better yet, never thought of at all.

It says: "These are my principles; and if you don't like them, fear not. I have others." It says, "These are our leaders, and we won't surrender them – unless you attack." Instead of a political army guided by courage and conviction, we now see the Republicans as a nudist in the middle of a barbed-wire fence.

Republican political fragrance finishes first. Trent Lott's innocence finishes last.

Delete, please, any notion that my feelings owe to some good-ol'-boy affinity with the Old South, and double-click on the fact that, at the age when Trent Lott was figuring out ways to keep his national fraternity lily-white, I and my hearty band of white Southern activists were (successfully!) rallying the student body of the University of North Carolina to overthrow the university administration's policy of making our first four black students sit in the Jim Crow section of Kenan Stadium instead of sitting with the rest of us students.

That's important to ME but, likewise, irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Dogs aren't the only ones who smell fear. We all do. The beautiful woman smells the fear of the nervous nerd asking for a date. The boss smells the fear of the insecure worker asking for a raise. And the voter smells the fear of a political party – even one controlling all three branches of government – that so quickly sacrifices a leader who did NOT mis-think, who did NOT mis-act, but who merely mis-SPOKE.

Trent Lott's birthday party remark about Sen. Thurmond was breathtakingly brain-dead.

(It was not unprecedented. President Gerald Ford said in debate to Jimmy Carter in 1976 that the Soviet Union did not exercise domination in Eastern Europe. And he no more believed that even as he was saying it than Lott believed America should have elected Strom Thurmond. Trent Lott's mysterious brain failure only cost him the party leadership in the Senate. Ford's probably cost him the presidency!)

If you should ask me, "Why, then, do they say things they don't believe?" you prove to me you've never competed in the public arena without a script.

Hear and heed, now, Republicans. All your friends and all your foes now know where your buttons are and exactly how high and how quickly you will jump when they're pushed.

Here's how the Republicans SHOULD have handled it.

Lott himself should have instantly announced that he would have preferred Republican Governor Tom Dewey win the election of 1948; next choice, Democratic President Harry Truman; and in no way and in no wise would he have favored Dixiecrat candidate Strom Thurmond. End of statement; but, admittedly, not end of story.

I would then have leaked that a "steaming" President Bush had abruptly canceled his meeting with the Prime Minister of Macedonia or Paraguay for a closed-door session alone with Trent Lott. Let lower-level aides then leak that the sound of White House breaking furniture reached but did not exceed the decibel level of a routine Clinton marriage quarrel in that meeting.

Let the nation know that the president in no uncertain dimension let Trent Lott know where the bear sat in the buckwheat and let the no-comments begin with Trent Lott exiting that meeting.

When the Democrats inevitably closed in for a blood-lunch, let some high-but-not-top-level Republican official tell them: "It's all over and done with as far as we're concerned. And, by the way, we have a great idea for the Democrats.

"We all have shortcomings. Let THEM take care of THEIR Jesse Jackson's 'Hymie-town,' Al Sharpton's 'diamond merchants' (Jewish businessmen) intruding into Harlem, the gracious racist Sen. Byrd's white-nigger-black-nigger soliloquy, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney's 'Bush knew in advance about the Israeli-planned-9/11 attack' and Sen. Patty Murray's 'Bin Laden is more popular than we are because he builds and we bomb.'

"We, for our part, will make clear who we think should and should not have won the election of 1948."

The "big fear" of Republicans was stated often and bluntly while Lott was busy apologizing. "In the next election, unless Lott is drawn, quartered and fed to the donkeys, every Republican candidate in 2004 will face TV commercials beginning with Trent Lott's endorsement of Strom Thurmond followed by footage of Dixiecrat Thurmond in 1948 blatantly appealing for segregation."

As a usual-but-not-always Republican voter, I say bring it on. Such an absurd backward reach in 2004 would never rekindle what would then have become a minor upscuddle way back in 2002. I insist that either the Democrats in 2004 would never have used it OR it would have blown up like a grenade in their faces.

I never made it all the way up to be a scientist. But in grammar school I loved watching a fire die when the oxygen was cut off. I would have loved to see this fire die the same way.

Republicans, particularly conservatives, have an occupational hazard. Lots of people do. Those who work at computers hours on end get carpal tunnel syndrome. Football players retire with bashed-up knees.

Conservatives, for their part, get drawn like seafaring victims of the mythical Lorelei onto the treacherous rocks by the power of liberal seduction. "I am a conservative," the syndrome goes. "Therefore, when I commit a liberal or an anti-conservative act, the liberals will love me."

There are, indeed, many voters who welcome the Republican annihilation of Trent Lott. BUT THOSE ARE VOTERS WHO WOULD NEVER HAVE VOTED FOR TRENT LOTT OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN ANYHOW!

Those voters the Republicans intended to woo by sacrificing Trent Lott are precisely the voters who say to the Democratic Party, "No matter what you do that I dislike, I shall always be FOR you." And to the Republican Party they say, "And no matter what you do that I LIKE, I shall always be AGAINST you."

So, GOP, you called no attention to your brotherly proclivities. You called attention only to your cowardice.

In Gore Vidal's hit play "The Best Man," the protagonist, aching head in both aching hands, says, "I don't mind being a bastard. But why am I such an INEPT bastard?"

Vidal is far from my political lodestar, but he came across with a good line.

It's not that Republicans are cowards.

It's that they're such INEPT cowards.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/30/220536.shtml