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Presto, Chango! GOP Is Now Racist
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| December 30, 2002
| Bob Ward
Posted on 12/30/2002 5:39:35 PM PST by asneditor
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To: AndyMeyers
Part of your post needs to be repeated over and over and over:
"The original intent of the Civil Rights Act was to provide equal opportunity to all - a worthy objective. It has been perverted by non-elected and unaccountable bureaucrats and appointed and unaccountable Federal Judges into a law that requires equal results. Republican efforts to adhere to the original intent of the Civil Rights Act are characterized as discrimination - a return to "Jim Crow Law" days - by the Democrats and dominant media."
But the next line is wishful thinking:
"It is past time that our elected representatives took back their authority and responsibility from bureaucrats and federal judges as the ONLY officials who are to make laws."
There are not enough elected or to-be-elected officials alive who'd be willing to step up to the unionized bureaucracy, the entrenched leftists, and the activist judiciary to do any good. If they did recover their spine enough to override the system, they'd just keep on passing new laws that built on the bad precedent of decades.
It's a nice thought, but the battle is left and right, not just who gets to dominate the system.
PS: To Walt, this is a discussion of civil rights, Lincoln's reputation will probably survive without your "Lincoln is God" mantra fogging up the issue. Slavery was a secondary issue in his policies, right or wrong, his program was to keep authority in DC and to manage the rest of it as it might develop.
This discussion is all about what's happened since that came to pass and DC has issued multiple, but misrepresented, edicts involving 'equality', 'race', and now 'diversity'.
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posted on
12/31/2002 9:24:20 AM PST
by
norton
To: asneditor
Republican voters should hope that their party leadership and their candidates have the moxie to label these charges as lies. The time for euphemisms is past.
The historical fact is that Democrats invented segregation, Democratic states spawned the KKK and the lynch mob and to say otherwise is a lie.
LOTTS OF WORK TO DO
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posted on
12/31/2002 9:30:25 AM PST
by
TLBSHOW
To: PARodrig; Clemenza; RaceBannon; firebrand; nutmeg; zelig; Dutchy; rmlew; Yehuda; Black Agnes
a rather interesting thread on the GOP
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posted on
12/31/2002 9:57:38 AM PST
by
Cacique
To: Cacique
Lott has ruined us as a party for decades to come, until this episode passes out of popular memory. Even worse was the lack of screaming moral outrage from Republicans. Even now. He should be made to leave the Senate entirely, 50-50 be damned. Political concerns were the reason Clinton was not convicted too. And this whole brothers-in-the-Senate thing always goes too far. The gentlemanly tradition. I spit on the gentlemanly tradition that keeps Lott's ass in the Senate.
To: asneditor
The party's first presidential candidate was Abraham Lincoln I could be wrong, but I thought that John C. Fremont was the first Republican candidate for President, Lincoln being the first one to win.
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posted on
12/31/2002 11:22:15 AM PST
by
CaptRon
To: ChemistCat
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posted on
12/31/2002 11:30:01 AM PST
by
wardaddy
To: asneditor
Wasn't the year 1854 when the Republican party was born in order to help abolish slavery? Wasn't the birth of the Republican party drawn from the contempt by the Democratic party to abolish slavery? Wasn't it the Southern states that held on to slavery and are the primary Democrats even today? Isn't the Democratic party the party most black now associate with?
Therefore, isn't it the blacks who are Democrats that are the most racist against themselves?
To: WhiskeyPapa
He knew that if slavery were restricted to the area it currently occupied, it would die. The slavers knew it to. And I suppose that's why they took the ONE action that would permanently separate them from any future access to those very same territories?
To: ChemistCat
I like the way you state your case, although I would disagree with your assertions that Thurmond and Lott are racists. They have their natural dispositions towards others, as do we all, but to be called a racist in my book, one has to actively DO something against a group. By your definition, a racist is all of us, with few exceptions.
I agree that the horrible incident you witnessed 20 years ago, is racism at its worst, for the man was intimating something worse than hatred, action against a person or group, for no reason other than race.
You are also right, that the republicans need to go on the attack, read the Clinton playbook and campaign nationally, constantly, and smear the other guys with all manners of accusations. We can use the truth, which makes it even harder for them to be refuted.
The post by an American Indian, was "Why I would have voted for Strom in '48
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posted on
12/31/2002 2:09:08 PM PST
by
jeremiah
To: Destro
RE; your comments to ChemistCat, maybe the forum is hitting its stride, when thoughts and opinions were freely bantered without hatred or name calling? It is so nice to see opinions well stated and logically supported.
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posted on
12/31/2002 2:14:19 PM PST
by
jeremiah
To: fire_eye
I just can't get over the feeling that the Demons are wasting their time with this issue Let us hope so, but it is not meant to be a talking point until the election IMO. I believe it is meant to be a spark to ignite riots this summer if the economy tanks, or another Rodney King thing surfaces. It doesn't matter if something happens to trigger racial unrest, as those things can be manufactured to happen, and are part and parcel of the Communist playbook.
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posted on
12/31/2002 2:19:09 PM PST
by
jeremiah
To: firebrand
Yoo bad in these hard times, that principle has to be bypassed in favor of pragmatism. The attack on Lott was meant to change the political balance of power, the attack against Clinton, would have only changed the man.
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12/31/2002 2:22:59 PM PST
by
jeremiah
To: asneditor
In fact, the Horton ad first appeared in the Democratic primary. And, it was an independent group, not the Bush campaign and not the Republican Party, that used it against Dukakis in the general election.Actually, it was a Reader's Digest article that roused the country, and spread national anti-Dukakis sentiment beneath the mainstream media radar screen. Atwater overheard truckers discussing the article at a truck stop. Here's the kicker: the Digest article, titled "Getting Away With Murder," DID NOT MENTION HORTON'S RACE. At all.
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To: Paul Ross
It's true enough that Lincoln played a major role in getting the 13th Amendment ratified, but what did he have to do with the 14th Amendment? My understanding is, it wasn't even drafted until problems appeared in the enforcement of the Reconstruction Act of 1865 (passed, unless I am mistaken, after Lincoln's assassination.)
To: firebrand
I take it you would like to see Daschle continue as majority leader of the Senate.
To: wardaddy
I absolutely cannot deny it; however, luckily for me, the people I know here are nothing like some of the individuals I ran into when I lived in Florida, Mississippi, and Georgia. But it surely is here. May I remain ignorant of more than this cursory knowledge!
Finding websites for Oklahoma doesn't refute what I said about Mississippi, though. It's everywhere. I wouldn't want to bet against the Klan being in Alaska or Hawaii. (Though that's a stretch, fer sure....)
To: ChemistCat
May I remain ignorant of more than this cursory knowledge! OK. Funny thing is....I'm 7th generation Mississippian and have never known a Klan member personally from that state hence I found your statement about Northern Mississippians being a half Klan voting block a bit of a stretch. I'm glad my homestate is there to give everyone a nice toughstone for superiority musings....what would FReepers do without Mississippi or West Virginia....geez, I don't know?...maybe self reflect...lol
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posted on
12/31/2002 4:34:53 PM PST
by
wardaddy
To: wardaddy
I didn't mean to say it was half-Klan. If I did, I apologize. That part of the state is about half black, if I'm not mistaken, so that would be more than absurd. I do believe that the Klan mindset has quite a bit of influence on some local and state politics in that particular region, but I'm not out to start a fight about it. Been there, done that, didn't even get a T-shirt. :-)
To: GOPcapitalist
He knew that if slavery were restricted to the area it currently occupied, it would die. The slavers knew it to. And I suppose that's why they took the ONE action that would permanently separate them from any future access to those very same territories?
The slave power expected to get Mexico, Cuba and Central America, at least.
I posted this once before. I guess you just missed it:
"Pollard could vision steps and advances "toward the rearing of that great Southern Empire, whose seat is eventually to be in Central America, and whose boundaries are to enclose the Gulf of Mexico." Ahead were "magnificent fields of romance" for the South, as he saw its future. "It is an empire founded on military ideas; representing the noble peculiarities of southern civilization; including within its limits the isthmuses of America and the regenerated West Indies; having control of the two dominant staples of the world's commercecotton and sugar; possessing the highways of the world's commerce; surpassing all empires of the world's ages in the strength of its geographical position." Philadelphia newspapers quoted a speech by Senator Herschel V. Johnson of Georgia in their city. "We believe that capital should own labor; is there any doubt that there must be a laboring class everywhere? In all countries and under every form of social organization there must be a laboring class -- a class of men who get their living from the sweat of their brow; and then there must be another class that controls and directs the capital of the country. He pleaded: "Slave property stands upon the same footing as all other descriptions of property."
--"Abraham Lincoln, Vol. II, Prairie Years, by Carl Sandburg pp.217-221
Polk tried to get the money to buy Cuba.
Don't you know the history?
Walt
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