Three Ithacans Arrested at the White House

Tompkins County Green Party ^ | Sunday, December 29 2002 | Linda Holzbaur

[Behind Liberal Lines]

Lisa Guido, Peter DeMott and Grace Ritter of Ithaca and 13 others were arrested on December 28, 1:30 pm at the White House in Washington DC for participating in a nonviolent, peaceful die-in to protest the ongoing war against Iraq and the invasion of Iraq, now well underway. Some of the participants poured their own blood on themselves during the protest.

DeMott and Ritter were charged with participating in a stationary demonstration in a restricted area and released with an order to appear in DC court on April 16; Guido is still being held. All three were part of the group who were arrested at the Ithaca Army Recruitment Center on December 21st for participating in a similar die-in there.

DeMott and Ritter were interviewed by Pacifica Peacewatch this morning about the anti-war effort in Ithaca; the show will be aired sometime this week. Contact WEOS Geneva for the times of broadcast.

Peter DeMott's statement:

As a Marine Corps veteran of the war in Viet Nam, I know firsthand that war is organized mass murder. Violence begets more violence. We need to solve international disputes peacefully and through negotiation.

DeMott and Ritter are available for statements at 607/227-4189.

[HighWheeler]

On second thought, OK I'll give you the hair.

[wolf24]

"They are indeed professional protestors."


That's what you get when hire professionals and pay them $300/month. If you want a quality die-in with real blodd you have to get the pros.

[JoeSixPack1]

As a Marine Corps veteran of the war in Viet Nam, I know firsthand that war is organized mass murder.

As a Marine Corps veteran of the war in Viet Nam, I have one thing to remind you of, BROTHER.......

"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men. They make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have!" by Patrick Henry"

Semper Fi

[Libloather]

Ithacans

Recyclables?

[babaloo999]

Why don't we hear more about the religious left?

For discussion purposes only

[wolf24]

Food for thought for pacifists in this country courtesy of Thomas Paine (Common Sense):

"But if you say, you can still pass the violations over, then I ask, Hath your house been burnt? Hath your property been destroyed before your face! Are your wife and children destitute of a bed to lie on, or bread to live on? Have you lost a parent or a child by their hands, and yourself the ruined and wretched survivor! If you have not, then are you not a judge of those who have. But if you have, and still can shake hands with the murderers, then are you unworthy the name of husband, father, friend, or lover, and whatever may be your rank or title in life, you have the heart of a coward, and the spirit of a sycophant. "

[Willie Green]

I'm gonna throw out a wild guess here that this guy was drafted and didn't volunteer for military service.

My recollection is that, during Vietnam, the Air Force, Navy, and Marines were primarily volunteer units. Draftees were largely inducted into the Army. I suppose there could be exceptions.

[tgslTakoma]

On December 13, 1980 Peter DeMott, former seminarian and Vietnam veteran from Jonah House, entered the General Dynamics Electric Boat (EB) shipyard in Groton, Connecticut during the launch ceremony for the "USS Baltimore" fast attack submarine. Noticing an empty EB security van with keys in it, he got into the van and repeatedly rammed the Trident "USS Florida" denting the rudder. Security guards then broke into the van and arrested him. He was tried by a jury in New London Superior Court and convicted of criminal mischief and criminal trespass. He was sentenced to one year in jail.

Stealing a van and ramming a submarine with it doesn't sound too peaceful and non-violent to me...

[Behind Liberal Lines]

If I recall correctly, Oliver Stone was a volunteer also.

[DaBroasta]

I'm gonna throw out a wild guess here that this guy was drafted and didn't volunteer for military service. Another reason why we don't need to bring back the draft.

My bet is he was a wayward youth who took the judge up on his "go in the Marines or go to jail option." This was a common source of 'volunteers' for the Marines and Army back then. And I would venture to guess that based on this guy's need to continually boast of being a Vietnam Vet that the most action he saw was probably from a bar stool in Saigon on payday. The no B.S. combat vets don't feel the need to go around and remind everyone that they were there, as though it were an extension of their penis. I must say I concur wholeheartedly on not returning to the draft. I served during both the draft and all-volunteer versions of the military and there's no comparison between the 'can-do' professionalism of today's volunteers and the "Hey man, I didn't ask to be here" attitude of the typical draftee we had back in 1970. No doubt this traitorous, destructive pant load is exactly the type of draftee that RAT B@$tard Rangel would love to impregnate the greatest military on earth with.

[Willie Green]

If I recall correctly, Oliver Stone was a volunteer also.

I don't know about that specificly.
I do know that, for some who would not have enlisted otherwise, the draft made enlistment a preferable option. The rationale was in hope of obtaining a more desirable assignment rather than being stuck with something less desirable.

[JoeSixPack1]

When a guarante of the security of our borders is realized, we can stop beating the drums. We don't have that. We don't have it because we finally decided to stop kissing everybody's butt around the world.

If Mr. Mustache Insane gets the bomb, we are screwed, Again! Israel would be toast, every arab babe on the planet would be wearin' hermetically sealed gowns by trojan, rape judgements might get out of hand, K-mart would be sellin' praying blankets by the thousands, hitlery would get mad and not run for president, Tony Blair would come out of the closet, and we'd all be shovelin' horse manure instead of pumpin' gas.

And this peacenik moron wants us to negotiate?

NAAAHHH........Let's Roll!

[JoeSixPack1]

Ping....

[RaceBannon]

His time in Vietnam was probably mostly in Long Binh

[Behind Liberal Lines]

ping

[ravingnutter]

You don't think Iraq had anything to do with Al Queda do you? That would be silly.

See:

Ashton, et al. v. al Qaeda, et al.: Complaint (PDF) Lawsuit claiming a 9/11 link between Iraq and al Qaeda. Sept. 3, 2002

The file is in slow loading .pdf format, but it is an interesting read.

[piasa]

Hmmm...438 North Skinker, St. Louis, MO ... (This is the part of town where the red daiper babies try to sell flowers by harassing you and other motorists at streetcorners): A search on that address brought up this mention in the list of members of the "o17 group."

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:k27QJKaP5PgC:www.rescomp.wustl.edu/~sforum/o17/members.htm+438+North+Skinker+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Ah, yes, the Infamous Pink Quakers:

American Friends Service Committee
Mira Tanna
(A St Louis phone #)
(An e-mail address which is on the Washington University 'edu' server)
http://www.afsc.org
438 N. Skinker Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63130

There is yet another organization at that address, which is typical of far left groups/fronts:

St. Louis Economic Conversion Project
438 North Skinker Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63130
(yahoo e-mail address)

And they are also on the list of the Lethbridge Activist Group, a motley collection of other professional activists and activist groups. I guess they figure they can make themselves look more numerous- and thus more intimidating, if they have many, many groups. Kind of like puffy-cat syndrome... a housecat may look big and mean when it is all puffed up but it is still a pussy :

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:RFIS9_-jzXYC:lethbridge.activist.ca/group/+438+North+Skinker+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[unspun]

LOL....I guess you're supposed to die at a die-in..?

Really. How anti-climactic.

We should see if we can get a trial lawyer to sue them for false advertising.

How about Larry Clayman?

[L.N. Smithee]

As a Marine Corps veteran of the war in Viet Nam, I know firsthand that war is organized mass murder. Violence begets more violence. We need to solve international disputes peacefully and through negotiation.

Yeah. It's sure working like a charm in North Korea.

[Bob J]

I suggest you send your fellow idiots over to Iraq and protest for peace there.

They did, the army of Penn.

[Lee'sGhost]

Bwahahahahahaahaaha. OH, my, that's funny. A dead ringer. Emphasis on dead!

[BureaucratusMaximus]

WWII did not beget more war!

History would disagree with you.

[CyberAnt]

When WWII was over, it was over. How many years later did we get involved in Korea - 10-15 years. How do you think it's related to WWII?

[Behind Liberal Lines]

And there is, of course, the distinct possibility that FDR's "negotiations" with Stalin at Yalta are what led to the various battles of the "cold" war: Korea, Vietnam, Grenada.

[CyberAnt]

Hmmmm? How so?

[Behind Liberal Lines]

According to many diplomatic theorists Stalin was able to secure far to many concessions from Roosevelt, despite the fact that the USSR was largely devastated by the War. By being overly generous, FDR allowed the USSR to expand Soviet/Communist dominance after the war in ways that the USSR would not have been able to do otherwise. This expansion, helped lead to the cold war and the need to contain further expansion (see, eg, the domino theory). The need to contain further expansion led to US involvement Korea, Vietnam, and Grenada.