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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


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I originally found this a few days ago at www.educationnews.org and clicked on the link to this story which took me to "icehouse." I'm not for certain who wrote it but thought I would post it anyway.
1 posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3
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2 posted on 01/02/2003 11:32:01 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: hsmomx3
We have been hearing about the "certificates" or "diploma seals" in PA for a couple of years now -- there will be 2 "levels" of certification (possibly called "mastery" and "proficiency") -- rumor is that only if they "achieve" the higher level, will children be considered eligible for college learning and "elite" jobs (lawyer, doctor, engineer, politician) -- and it will be a very small group that gets this higher certificate. 66%-75% of students are expected to be "tracked" onto the lower level. Parents here were outraged when the PASS tests came out with just these results -- they couldn't believe that two-thirds of the students in high school are considered "below mastery", and were asking the school boards to look into it.

What the parents don't understand (but what cynical homeschoolers like me have already figured out) is that the districts are following a social plan that will provide "the state" with dumbed down but compliant "workers" who will never aspire to greatness (the "elite" group will, of course, include all children of the present educators and other "leaders")

The "wrench in the works" is the Homeschooling community. These "mavericks" are already refusing to follow the lock-step norm of government schooling and tend to be well-informed and strong-willed, but worse than that, those "unsocialized" home-schooled kids have the gall to perform well above expectations and are scoring highly on standardized tests and college entry exams. Yes....homeschoolers could be completely left in the cold if these certificates are made mandatory -- but there will be plenty of us fighting against it tooth and nail...

3 posted on 01/02/2003 11:45:47 AM PST by twyn1
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To: hsmomx3
"Do we really think that a government-dominated education is going to produce citizens capable of dominating their government, as the education of a truly vigilant self-governing people requires?"

-- Alan Keyes

Here is your reasoning behind this trend right here. Not just does it create a gamma class (I think that is the right class name ala Brave New World) but also it continues to help push the liberal agenda as most public schools are a breeding ground for now a days. Having been a recent (within the past 3 yrs) convert from liberalism, no suprise coming from when I graduated from high school and started listening to talk radio, I can tell you there is nothing more true than that quote.
4 posted on 01/02/2003 12:00:18 PM PST by PedroDaGr8
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To: hsmomx3
Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system.

About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.

5 posted on 01/02/2003 12:05:13 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: twyn1
We have been hearing about the "certificates" or "diploma seals" in PA for a couple of years now

We first heard about this nearly 15 years ago. It's been in the planning stage longer than that.

6 posted on 01/02/2003 12:09:55 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

You've got it backwards, Joe. It's the government that's taken on the role of parents.

7 posted on 01/02/2003 12:12:50 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CholeraJoe
since when is compulsary education a legitimate function of government? maybe provide an example or two.

thanks in advance

8 posted on 01/02/2003 12:16:46 PM PST by bc2
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To: hsmomx3
It does not help make their point when there is a spelling error in the title of the Home Schooling article:

"States Begin Crack Down..." should be "States Begin Crackdown..."

I'm a product of public schools and even I knew that.

9 posted on 01/02/2003 12:17:32 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
I should have caught that!! I copied and pasted exactly the way it was at the website.
10 posted on 01/02/2003 12:26:47 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: bc2
since when is compulsary education a legitimate function of government?

Your profile doesn't indicate your state, so I picked Texas' Constitution as an example:

The Texas Constitution

Article 7 - EDUCATION

Section 1 - SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE OF SYSTEM OF PUBLIC FREE SCHOOLS

A general diffusion of knowledge being essential to the preservation of the liberties and rights of the people, it shall be the duty of the Legislature of the State to establish and make suitable provision for the support and maintenance of an efficient system of public free schools.

You can disagee with the premise but you cannot dispute that public education has constitutional authority in nearly every state and is thereby a legitimate function of government.

11 posted on 01/02/2003 12:29:30 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government

Listen to yourself! How did you come to define the education of our children as a function of government? Perhaps it's in the Constitution? Oh wait a minute, can't seem to find it there.

Well, the government's been doing it for a while, so it must be a government function. Yeah, that's it. If the government starts doing it, it becomes a government function and anyone who would dare to do it on their own, well they must be in need of some serious regulation.

12 posted on 01/02/2003 12:31:19 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
Posted before reading your last . . . obviously, I refer to the U.S. Constitution.
13 posted on 01/02/2003 12:33:25 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: PedroDaGr8
Great Quote !!

This Nation's educational system (powered for and by the N.E.A.) simply cannot sit idly by and let the 'Homeschoolers' actually learn more then the future-robots in the Public School System(s) across this nation

14 posted on 01/02/2003 12:34:14 PM PST by Coto
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To: hsmomx3
"... is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance..."

Well, we can all hope that some kind of education, somewhere, will help this person write English.
15 posted on 01/02/2003 12:35:22 PM PST by aruanan
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To: hsmomx3
bump
16 posted on 01/02/2003 12:37:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: CholeraJoe
However, no State requires public education(because they constitutionally cant), so thus your claim that those seeking non-public education should also have to "follow the same rules" is quite specious.

If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.

This doesn't even make sense. The State or county doesn't build you a home if you ask them to. You seem to imply that the "function of government" is to provide housing.

Here is a more valid comparison. When a governmental body buys property, whether its the federal, state or local governments, there are sertain procedures that they must take. When A private citizen buys property, they are not required the same.

17 posted on 01/02/2003 12:38:09 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: hsmomx3
The article should read "States, at the behest of politicians who are puppets of the educational trade unions and atheists, attack Americans' right to educate their children to be patriotic, moral, God-fearing, and historically well-informed about western society and culture."
18 posted on 01/02/2003 12:38:44 PM PST by ZULU
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To: CholeraJoe
As a conservative (I'm assuming you are, since you're here), in what other areas of life do you choose to avail yourself of substandard government services when you are capable of providing a higher quality alternative at your own expense? Do you choose a top notch doctor, or drop in down at the free community health clinic? Do you choose to ride the bus to work, or drive in the safety and comfort of your own SUV? Etc.
19 posted on 01/02/2003 12:40:07 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: LikeLight
Perhaps it's in the Constitution? Oh wait a minute, can't seem to find it there.

You're in Pennsylvania. Here's what your Constitution says about Public Education.

Article II Legislature
Public School System
Section 14.

The General Assembly shall provide for the maintenance and support of a thorough and efficient system of public education to serve the needs of the Commonwealth.
20 posted on 01/02/2003 12:41:09 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
Education is not a legitimate function of government.

Compulsory eduction laws were originally concieved by anti-Catholic bigots to try to undermine Catholic parents beliefs. The same tradition is carried on today as state schools try to indoctrinate children into radical environmentalism and other strange beliefs.

21 posted on 01/02/2003 12:42:13 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
"eduction" should be "education," obviously. I typo'd. :-P
22 posted on 01/02/2003 12:43:37 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: LikeLight
Education is not a Function of the Federal Government (notwithstanding the US Department thereof) but is a function of the states.
23 posted on 01/02/2003 12:44:47 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
...If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards....

Can you point to me anywhere in the US Constitution that education is deemed a "function" of "government," or that home-schoolers have to be dumbed down to measurements exacted by "govenment standards?" Can you point to any State's Constitution which mandates that the only educational "standards" are those defined solely by the whim of state's teachers' unions?

Point is this: homeschoolers consistently EXCEED government standards. What makes you think government bureaucrats/educrats have qualifications to stand in judgment of them, let alone attempt to try to "control" them?

24 posted on 01/02/2003 12:46:05 PM PST by Agamemnon
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To: CholeraJoe
a thorough and efficient system of public education

Now there's an oxymoron! Give me a call when they get that in place and I'll take a second look!

25 posted on 01/02/2003 12:46:30 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
As a youth, did you ever toss a skunk into your neighbor's henhouse?
26 posted on 01/02/2003 12:47:16 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: CholeraJoe; LikeLight
...it shall be the duty of the Legislature of the State to establish..

I see nowhere where it says citizens must attend, or send there children, etc. I always believed that somewhere it states the government would provide education, not that the education provided was mandatory.

I wonder has this be heard before the Supreme Court?

I guess I better start searching. BTW, I have no children and I am a product of public education.

27 posted on 01/02/2003 12:47:37 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: CholeraJoe
Your post #11 is non-responsive, Joe.

The issue is compulsory public education. Texas' constitution doesn't establish compulsory public education in the section you quoted.

From your posts on this thread, it appears you know little or nothing about home education. That's not a flame. I'm just reading what you've written and drawing a reasonable conclusion.

28 posted on 01/02/2003 12:49:32 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

But homeschoolers exceed 'government standards'.

29 posted on 01/02/2003 12:50:47 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: CholeraJoe
Education is not a Function of the Federal Government (notwithstanding the US Department thereof) but is a function of the states.

In Pennsylvania, we started with a public education system for paupers in the early 1800's. Hardly anyone used it, because you had to declare yourself a pauper first. It was a matter of pride to folks in those days. I don't have a problem with some appropriate programs for those in need, but I sure as heck have a problem with programs designed for the lowest common denominator that then project their warped and distorted goals and standards onto those who don't need the programs in the first place.

30 posted on 01/02/2003 12:53:37 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards

Government standards my hairy a**!

My 3 youngest children are home schooled and consistently outperform their peers in assessment testing. My oldest (who was home schooled for 7 years) is a senior with a 4.2 gpa and already has 13 hours of college credit with a 3.7 gpa.

Government standards are a smoke screen for government control.

31 posted on 01/02/2003 12:53:45 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: snippy_about_it
In Pierce v. Society of Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary (1925), the court ruled the Oregon Compulsory Education Act invalid.

Writing for the majority, Justice McReynolds declared that the Act "unreasonably interferes with the liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children under their control."

32 posted on 01/02/2003 12:54:32 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Education is not a legitimate function of government.

Check Article VIII of Oregon's Constitution. If you don't agree with it, find enough like minded voters and change it. Don't make ridiculous proclamations clearly not supported by any documentation.

33 posted on 01/02/2003 12:54:49 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.

While our building codes are for the public's and your safety; governmental "education's" purpose is now to employ "educators" and produce mindless sheeple dipped in the "oil of PC" and to allow only coloring inside the lines as approved BY the government. Godless schools (unless you're a moose-limb) and tolerance of the homosexual agenda and their perversions are two such examples od "educators" "preparing" our kids for life. The ecological green weenies, anti-gun nuts, and feminist nazis are also adding their own special charms to the public schools as well. No wonder people need to teach their own kids.

My advice: don't let the government know you have children!

34 posted on 01/02/2003 12:55:53 PM PST by texson66
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To: asformeandformyhouse
But homeschoolers exceed 'government standards'.

So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

35 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:30 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: twyn1
What the parents don't understand (but what cynical homeschoolers like me have already figured out) is that the districts are following a social plan that will provide "the state" with dumbed down but compliant "workers" who will never aspire to greatness (the "elite" group will, of course, include all children of the present educators and other "leaders")

Exactly right. When Americans find out what this really is, there will be a massive rebellion if there isn't a massive lawsuit first.

36 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:41 PM PST by Dataman
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To: CholeraJoe
Where does it say that in that amendment that it is primarily the job of government to teach kids? Why are homeschoolers "assuming functions of government"?

The amendment simply says that government shall provide free public schools. Very well. It does not say that anyone else has to live up to their standards. It does not say that anyone has to attend these "public free schools." It does not mandate that public schools are the benchmark that homeschoolers must live up to.

37 posted on 01/02/2003 12:58:20 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Mr. Lucky
That was funny!!!

: )

38 posted on 01/02/2003 12:59:10 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: CholeraJoe
I don't care if it's in the Magna Carta; it is not a legitimate function of government.

It is a legitimate function of parents.

39 posted on 01/02/2003 12:59:28 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: hsmomx3
Michigan's newly elected and sworn in Born in Canada Educated at Berkley Gov. Jenny "The Broad" Granholm would support a plan to drag all those successful home schooled kids into public schools, and if she could, she would try to do it to private school kids too.

Unfortunately, Jenny The Broad was elected by a statewide margin smaller than her margin of victory in Wayne County (meaning, she was elected by Detroit and Detroit only). Fortunately, this isn't how our House and Denate members aren't elected and Republicans hold pretty solid majorities in both houses, so Jenny "867-5309" Granholm will have a pretty inneffective single term as Michigan's governor.
40 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:29 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: B Knotts
Alliance for the Separation of School & State
41 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:58 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: CholeraJoe
Don't make ridiculous proclamations clearly not supported by any documentation.

You don't need documentation to express a philosophy. I too believe that education isn't a legitimate role for government... that you can find a state constitution that includes it only makes it legal, it doesn't make it right.

As for "ridiculous proclamations," well... I think I've said enough already.

42 posted on 01/02/2003 1:01:10 PM PST by Oberon
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To: hsmomx3
Can you spell T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y? My kids are mine - public schools be damned to hell along with the crap they teach.
43 posted on 01/02/2003 1:02:22 PM PST by exmarine
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

See, you've already bought into the big lie. Do you feed your children at home, or do you send them to a licensed nutritionist with a college degree? Have you ever met an Education major? Lord help us if you think a college degree and state license in education means anything.

44 posted on 01/02/2003 1:03:54 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

Hey Joe! If homeschoolers produce the academic cream of the crop, meeting government standards would dumb them down. Homeschoolers already exceed government standards. By forcing HSers to comply with govt sub-standards, they are opening the door to home visits. Now either the homosexual and pro-aborts' penumbran constitutional right to privacy exists or it doesn't. If it exists, HSers have the same right. If it doesn't, time to overturn Roe v. Wade and push the Hsexers back into the closet.

45 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:08 PM PST by Dataman
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To: CholeraJoe
You're correct. Whether we agree or not, the state constitutions have made the provision of education a function of the state government. It seems to me that state legislatures and departments of education have erroneously interpreted that to mean government may be the sole provider of education.

For what it's worth, John Adams said in 1776, "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."

I doubt he ever thought that those who provide their children an adequate education at home would become criminals, however.

46 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:56 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

Hmmm. You're apparently one such teacher.

I suspected so based on your point of view, but your relative proficiency in critical thinking was a dead giveaway.

47 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:58 PM PST by Oberon
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home school ping
48 posted on 01/02/2003 1:06:16 PM PST by madfly
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To: CholeraJoe
Having a degree in education and a license is no indicator of a good teacher
49 posted on 01/02/2003 1:07:08 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: LikeLight
Lord help us if you think a college degree and state license in education means anything.

Substitute Medicine for education in your statement and reconsider. Do you have a right to remove your child's appendix because you are their parent? You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

50 posted on 01/02/2003 1:07:23 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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