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Hungry millions denied food by Mugabe's ban (RHODESIA ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 4, 2003 | Peta Thornycroft

Posted on 01/03/2003 5:25:17 PM PST by MadIvan

Robert Mugabe is refusing to let Zimbabweans import food, a decision which is condemning millions of people to shortages, United Nations officials said yesterday.

More than 5,000 people gathered at Viriri School, Murambinda, 140 miles south of Harare, to collect hand-outs of corn, beans and oil from the World Food Programme.

Patience Mukondomi, 31, was not given any. As a teacher she has a job and therefore does not qualify for aid. "There is nothing in the shops. We have money, but there is no food to buy, please sell us some," she implored officials.

But Luis Clemens, a WFP spokesman, explained that doing so would be against the rules. "We cannot sell food, however much we want to help people," he said.

"We would be able to feed many more people if the government allowed private importation of corn."

The Mugabe regime has awarded a monopoly on trading in grain to a government agency and there are countless verified reports from opposition supporters that they have been denied permission to buy this food.

At the WFP distribution centre another desperate woman, with a baby on her back, said her husband was in the army 40 miles further south and so she too did not qualify for food aid.

"We are starving," she said. "Even if my husband sent money, which he doesn't because I am the second wife, there is no food to buy. My neighbour helps me. Without her we would be dead."

The neighbour is one of three million people receiving food from WFP, half of those on the brink of starvation. Mugabe undertook to feed the rest, but has been unable to find foreign currency to import anything but a trickle of grain from South Africa.

"Private importation of corn would change the situation dramatically," said Mr Clemens. "We have made the offer to facilitate the importation of food, but there is no change in policy."

He said the WFP would need to continue its Zimbabwe operations beyond April, when harvests are due.

Few crops have been planted by the inexperienced farmers who replaced more than 4,000 white commercial farmers evicted in the past three years under the government's land reforms.

Teresa Madamombe, 41 a mother of five, said: "This is the first time in our lives there is no food to buy. In 1983 and in 1992 there was drought, but we could buy food, but not now, and I do not know why."

She said she knew nothing of the destruction of Zimbabwe's commercial agriculture. "We do not get news here. We are far from the commercial farms. Have they all gone?"

A thin young man overheard the conversation, sidled up and whispered: "There is no food because of politics. You must know that. Industries which make food have closed down now that the farmers have gone.

"We can't talk politics because there has been violence here, but we do know why we have no food."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: africawatch; mugabe; rhodesia; starvation
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Mugabe, much like Stalin, is trying to starve his nation into submission. He will burn in Hell for this - it should be Britain that arranges his transport there.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 01/03/2003 5:25:17 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 01/03/2003 5:26:05 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Just as long as the US does NOT send them food. Let them riot mugabe's house and steal his food and learn the truth.
3 posted on 01/03/2003 5:31:14 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: MadIvan
Tony Blair is too weak. He's too afraid of being called an imperialist. He'll stand up to Iraq, but only because it's in Britain's national interest to stop madmen from getting nukes. The people of Zimbabwe don't matter to Tony, so he's going to let them starve to horrible deaths.

The same goes for Bush. The Bush administration is barely even trying to oppose Mugable.

4 posted on 01/03/2003 5:46:35 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Sungirl; MadIvan
Just as long as the US does NOT send them food. Let them riot mugabe's house and steal his food and learn the truth.

How can you be so cold? Remember this nation of people tried to get rid of him, but rigged elections etc. did not allow it to happen. I will not condemn the people of Rhodesia for the sins of a sick bastard.

5 posted on 01/03/2003 6:17:24 PM PST by Happygal
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To: xm177e2
" The people of Zimbabwe don't matter to Tony, so he's going to let them starve to horrible deaths. "

Um, Tony Blair, or George Bush, have as much to do with starvation in Zimbabwe as Milton Berle. The people elected Mugabe, mistake number one. Then he took over and made it a dictatorship. Oops, where have we seen that before? So, who is to blame? Primarily Mugabe and his henchmen, secondarily the people of Zimbabwe.

Take that blame Britian/America crap somewhere else. Those two countries don't starve anyone, but you knew that, didn't you?

7 posted on 01/03/2003 6:26:50 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Happygal
The first election that he won was not rigged, by African standards anyway. Which means, yes there was fraud, but no more than usual.
8 posted on 01/03/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
Which means, yes there was fraud, but no more than usual.

We aren't talking Chad-gate here. Do you NOT recall quite recently people who walked miles and miles to vote (over days) to vote that sick bastard out. And he closed the polling stations? Indigenous Rhodesian people, I believe, do not condone what this sad sick individual has brought on his nation in terms of famine. (One of the few African Nations capable of being self-supportive??!!). And now those who tried to resist most, are those who must suffer most. How ironic.

9 posted on 01/03/2003 6:41:48 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Republic of Texas
The people of Zimbabwe tried to stop him from winning reelection, but by then he had established himself as dictator-for-life. They can't stop him now because he has all the guns and all the food.

I agree Bush and Blair have other priorities, namely saving the world from nuclear devastation at the hands of Hussein and Kim Jong-Il. The responsibility is mostly Thabo Mbeki's, without his cooperation, it's much harder for any intervention to take place.

10 posted on 01/03/2003 7:13:40 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Than why did you try to make it a Blair/Bush created problem in your #4 post?

Frankly, I am sick of the starvation problems in Africa.I have read and heard of them my entire life.Throwing money and food at them will never "solve" the problems of third world countries.Was that not why the Black Africaans kicked out the "Europeans" in the 1980s?

Certainly, the "West" could end the misery and suffering of the people of Africa,but the people of Africa would have to change in order for this to be done.

They appear not to want to actually join the 21st century.It seems fairly obvious they just want the rest of the world to subsidise their continuation of tribal society, but with "free" food, clean water, electricity and medicine.

If the CIA or any agency killed Mugabe today, it would not truly matter.Another "leader" of the same ilk would simply take his place, and the whole process of hope denied would repeat itself.

Should the Imperialistic West conquer and colonise Africa again?Is that why you blame Blair/Bush for African starvation?Because they do not use military power to conquer Africa and force "free" food upon the starving masses?

11 posted on 01/03/2003 8:15:05 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: MadIvan
She said she knew nothing of the destruction of Zimbabwe's commercial agriculture. "We do not get news here. We are far from the commercial farms. Have they all gone?"

Think maybe the people will start fighting back??

12 posted on 01/03/2003 8:20:15 PM PST by Mo1
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To: sarasmom
Frankly, I am sick of the starvation problems in Africa.I have read and heard of them my entire life.

So sick of hearing of the problems in Africa. Yeah. On a full belly, it's easy to dismiss, I guess.

Throwing money and food at them will never "solve" the problems of third world countries.Was that not why the Black Africaans kicked out the "Europeans" in the 1980s?

The 1980's. Yeah that was AGES ago. I'm Irish, now living under the Celtic Tiger. But in the 1970's Irish people were only learning sophistication, and many went with hunger in their bellies. So your point is?

As for Mugabwe's regime, people forget Rhodesia is a state that is self sufficient in Africa. A place that can fend for itself, and the people attempted to topple (by democratic means) Mugabwe but the bastard wouldn't let them vote. This is not like Irish people going up to vote, or Floridians spoiling a vote or what have you..these are people who walked to polling stations for two freakin' days. How DARE you challenge their belief in democracy, when most Americans won't get off their fat arses to drive their chevvy's down to a polling booth? I'm sorry. But you do not espouse conservatism to me.

13 posted on 01/03/2003 8:29:29 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
So shall the USA fix all the worlds problems, Happygal?

It can be done, but the price seems too high for those who believe in utopia.The price of survival requires change.

BTW, I have experienced actual hunger, and have stolen food,for survival, in the USA, many years ago.

Perhaps you need to step back for a moment and look at who wants and needs food now, and why.I know hunger.I also know if I did not change, my hunger would be everlasting.

There are lots of "rich" people in Amerika, but I can testify, there are many more who are not rich, who have busted their @ss to keep food on the table, and who are not willing to continuously cast pearls before swine.

I will always offer a hand up, but I know better than to offer a hand out.Been there, done that, and used the t-shirt to wash my car!

Take your self-righteous attitude to God for judgement.I will continue to help my neighbor, or quietly donate money I can ill afford to true charities, or just cover the woman in front of me at the check out counter at the grocery store, so she does not have to "put back" the $1.99 cocoa with marshmellows treat for her children.

What do you do with your childs outgrown clothing? Do you sell it at a garage sale, or do you find a charity who will freely give it those in need at a faith based charity, not of your own faith ? Do you write it off for tax purposes?

Your thinly veiled holier-than- thou attitude does not impress me much.

14 posted on 01/03/2003 9:54:41 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
What do you know of Zimbabwe/Rhodesia?

You seem to class its people as a 'monkeys hanging from the trees' State. So pray tell, how do YOU believe AID should be delivered to this particular country?

I know in my own country, the troops are already mobilising..to send food for the hungry .

I actually work with a guy (a former Reuters journalist, who is now working as a journalist beside me in Ireland, who was stationed in Rhodesia for a while).

BTW..I'm not being 'holier than thou' Far be it for me to be like that.

I'd say your own conscience has been pricked.

So hop to it!
Get people in your own area to raise food parcels for the people of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.
15 posted on 01/03/2003 10:05:09 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
The people of "Rhodesia," those who could run fast enough to avoid being killed and eaten, are now in Australia, Britain, the USA, and throughout the world.

The people of "Zimbabwe," easily able to live on their racism and hatred alone, showing true black fury and wrath as they starve, are getting what they wanted. They didn't care if the hand of their rulers beat them, starved them, stabbed them, shot them, as long as that hand was not white.

16 posted on 01/03/2003 10:12:04 PM PST by crystalk
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To: sarasmom
BTW..your thinly veiled expression of having experienced hunger sticks in my throat.

I'm 30 years of age. (NOW a qualified journalist, and my brother is a qualified accountant). But I slept at the end of my parents room until I was 18, in a house with an outside toilet. (YES..that was until 1990). WHY, because my mother put OUR education over material fancies. So DO NOT bullshit me with you predelictions.
17 posted on 01/03/2003 10:13:00 PM PST by Happygal
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To: crystalk; MadIvan
So HOW do you explain the lines of people who walked for days, only to be denied their franchise at the Mugabwe rigged polling booths?

Don't be SO naive...PLEASE.
18 posted on 01/03/2003 10:15:47 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Rhodesia WAS a state that was self sufficient. So were Sumeria and Assyria. That is ancient history.

Only black Zimbabweans are left, but now there are 14 million of them, used to being fed by the whites no longer there.

It should be remembered that (at the stone age level of black technology which existed in that country before 1890 and after 2005) it will only support about 200,000 persons, and those at levels that a chimpanzee would not envy.

19 posted on 01/03/2003 10:16:32 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
This country was able to feed itself quite amply until MUGABWE (Ye know, the bloke who rigged the last election) took power.


HOW do I try to explain this to you?

Mugabwe is the disease in this country. Not the people themselves.
20 posted on 01/03/2003 10:22:59 PM PST by Happygal
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To: sarasmom
It can be done, but the price seems too high for those who believe in utopia.The price of survival requires change.

Shouldn't you be preaching this to your own kind?

21 posted on 01/03/2003 10:33:00 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Even if you are right, it is not Mugabe, but the other 13.8 million, who may suffer some as it goes back to the 200,000 residents it will support at a stone-age level that existed of nature there, before that bad old Rhodes messed with it.

None of those were, of course, over 40, and none could read and write. None had ever seen a doctor, nurse, or dentist...

Baack to the Fuuuture time.

22 posted on 01/03/2003 10:43:28 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Happygal
And of course, "the country" never fed anybody, did it?

It was the white commercial farmers who fed the 14. million masses, who must now die off now that their source of food has gone.

I don't care if they are problems or not, their bones will be take much the same length of time to crumble unburied atop the soil of Zim, that once was the beautiful Rhodesia...

One might go over the bone fields and put up a sign by each skeleton, saying "Look, Ma, I'm White NOW!

...or "Please tell me I'm still black"

...actually very few passers-by would be able to tell for absolutely certain...whether they WERE black or white, in life.

Then, 100 yrs hence, a new Cecil Rhodes may be born!

23 posted on 01/03/2003 10:49:55 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
who may suffer some

Oh! You mean the starvation that you've ever had to endure? </sarcasm off>

24 posted on 01/03/2003 10:51:02 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
My life, whatever its deprivations or privileges, has cost no Zimbabwean anything. I have never harmed a hair of their wooly little heads, and they are too far away to have harmed mine, thank God I have never set foot in that hellhole.
25 posted on 01/03/2003 10:56:15 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Maybe sarasmom and you could cry together about native American burial grounds, eh?

Personally, I believe Mugabwe is a tyrant who is denying democracy.

Ronald Reagan would be in there in a flash. Defending the rights of potential free world people over a despot.


26 posted on 01/03/2003 10:56:35 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Nice try, but no cigar!

Old American saying.

Reporters suck as boyfriends, but only experience will prove that point to the uninitiated.Have fun while it lasts!

The USA is not a Socialist society.We are a democratic Republic.I know this can be confusing to the "old world" governments, but I offer no apologies to those who refuse to understand our reality.

The USA does not seek additional territory.We would much rather ignore the "rest of the worlds" trivial and rather ignorant and primitive ideas, but we are constantly forced to add to the number of ignorant populations who can kiss our collective asses.

I have two dead greatgrandfathers, and one greatuncle buried somewhere in Europe.

Please forgive my unwillingness to bury my nieces and nephews on your soil to "prove" our collective love for humanity.

On behalf of all my fellow citizens,white, black,red, brown or yellow,KMA!.

It would be prudent if your people did not count on my people to save your asses from self-destruction, but prudence has never been a hallmark of European existance.

27 posted on 01/03/2003 10:57:54 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
We would much rather ignore the "rest of the worlds" trivial and rather ignorant and primitive ideas, but we are constantly forced to add to the number of ignorant populations who can kiss our collective asses.

Would those be the nations whose forebearers founded the United States of America that you are talking about?

28 posted on 01/03/2003 11:01:51 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Potential people indeed. I thought I had heard ALL the euphemisms.

Once those 13.8 million have turned from potential bone meal into ACTUAL bone meal, the other 200,000 potential cannibals can fight over who has any flesh left on them.

29 posted on 01/03/2003 11:02:57 PM PST by crystalk
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To: sarasmom
It would be prudent if your people did not count on my people to save your asses from self-destruction, but prudence has never been a hallmark of European existance.

Eh...now when you come down off your cloud. I thought we both were talking about Africa here. In case you didn't know Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is in Africa. Imbibing in the native American hooch, toots?

31 posted on 01/03/2003 11:05:01 PM PST by Happygal
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To: crystalk
And I thought I'd heard all the anti-Afrian speak I'd ever heard in my life too.

Imagine, we both had firsts tonight. You (the 19th century) finally came face to face with me (the 21st century). What are we to do!!
33 posted on 01/03/2003 11:08:36 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Like I said, baaack to the fuuuture, honey! Primitive ideas, like yours, can determine some pretty primitive tools and life styles.
35 posted on 01/03/2003 11:11:55 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk; sarasmom
Well, I'm sorry I'm not as sophisticated as you..I better go whip myself with some Chauceur.

Would YOU ever get over yerself.

And tell your native-American friend that if she want's to play a 'racial' card in IM, she better not try to be racist about it AGAIN!

I mean, sarasmom..what you said about the Irish, was pretty nasty stuff. After ALL the nice things the Irish did for your fellow HOOCH swiggers!!! ;-)
36 posted on 01/03/2003 11:21:41 PM PST by Happygal
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Well, I'm sorry I'm not as sophisticated as you..I better go whip myself with some Chauceur.

Would YOU ever get over yerself.

And tell your native-American friend that if she want's to play a 'racial' card in IM, she better not try to be racist about it AGAIN!

I mean, sarasmom..what you said about the Irish, was pretty nasty stuff. After ALL the nice things the Irish did for your fellow HOOCH swiggers!!! ;-)
37 posted on 01/03/2003 11:22:57 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
OOOAHHH!

Immigrant suffering!!!

Shall I ask my tribe to say a prayer for you? Few are left,but we still exist.

If my hunger sticks in your throat,should I pray for your forgiveness?

You are not yet "Miss American Pie", and you offend me, grieviously.But I am certain you can self-justify your right to existance on the ancestral land of MY people.

Do get over yourself.Or return to the land of your ancestors.Either way,you have no right to feel superior in any way, to me or mine, in this land of mine.

38 posted on 01/03/2003 11:24:47 PM PST by sarasmom
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I live in the land of my ancestors toots.

*ROFL*
39 posted on 01/03/2003 11:27:40 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Purge those most ignorant first.

Old Sioux saying.

Appropo?

40 posted on 01/03/2003 11:53:49 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: xm177e2
Lets send Jesse Jackson...........
41 posted on 01/04/2003 12:34:49 AM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: Happygal
Our forefathers founded the USA in spite of the Europeans.


As for the British.....could it be they are feeling guilty over the starvation of the Irish back in the 1840s????


42 posted on 01/04/2003 12:44:21 AM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: MadIvan

Residents of the Buhera district, 200 km (125 miles) south east of Harare, queue up to get food aid at a distribution center January 3, 2003. Zimbabwe, along with other southern African nations, is suffering severe food shortages caused by crop failure, drought and the ongoing political crisis. REUTERS/Howard Burditt
43 posted on 01/04/2003 2:28:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MadIvan
He [Mugabe} will burn in Hell for this - it should be Britain that arranges his transport there.

Is there any evidence of an outcry in Britain for this ?

I wish it were so.

44 posted on 01/04/2003 2:50:01 AM PST by happygrl
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To: sarasmom
Please take your rant to a thread where you know something about what you're talking about.

Zimbabwe was not a country asking for free food or water or...

It was the breadbasket of Southern Africa, exporting food to surrounding countries.

Please avail yourself of the opportunity to be educated on FR links, and take your knee-jerk responses somewhere else.

45 posted on 01/04/2003 2:56:03 AM PST by happygrl
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To: crystalk
Are you still spreading your racist hatred on these links ?YOU'RE no Christian. Get off and go back to your fantasy world. No one's eating anyone; you've been told that before but you enjoy posting these racist rants.
46 posted on 01/04/2003 3:01:14 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Happygal
Darling:

If this article is correct, I doubt your country will be allowed to send food aid to Rhodesia. And it's quite right that the Zimbabweans did try to toss Mugabe out of office in the most recent election; whether there was fraud or not in 1980 is beside the point - representative government only can be said to be truly representative if it allows people to change their minds about who leads them.

Love, Ivan

47 posted on 01/04/2003 5:43:46 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: happygrl
Are you sure? What about tomorrow or the day after? They will come to that, it is in the jeans.
48 posted on 01/04/2003 8:11:35 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Happygal
The point is. We can deliver all the food Zimbabwe needs, but until the people change, most will still starve.

My point earlier was that during the FIRST election, there was the usual amount of fraud for AFRICA. A lot more than we are used to, but not for them. The people elcted this monster out of racial hatred for the white man. HE was going to get back at whitey. Now he has taken over and his hate knows no bounds. I guess thats what you get when you elect a hate-monger.

Stating that your friend was a RUETERS reporter only hurts your credibility among thinking folks, just so you know.

49 posted on 01/04/2003 8:22:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
I think she is hiding out in all-white Ireland. If she went over to Britain and was gang-raped a few times and murdered, then she would know what we were talking about.

Such a sheltered life she leads...sees blacks only in the pages of National Geographic, if she even reads that.

50 posted on 01/04/2003 8:29:06 AM PST by crystalk
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