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THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON: Episode #17 - Hillary Doesn't Really Have a Goon Squad, Does She?
dfu | 1-3-03 | DFU

Posted on 01/03/2003 7:41:51 PM PST by doug from upland

#1 - FJB
#2 - Children in Hospital
#3 - She Throws Coffee in Marine's Face
#4 - Dissing Health Care Execs Who Offered Solution
#5 - Hillary, the Commies, and the Black Panthers
#6 - Defiling the White House Christmas Tree
#7 - Hillary Calls the Police Murderers
#8 - How Did She Get Her Name?
#9 - Sister Frigidaire
#10 - Troopers and Secret Service as Servants
#11 - Beep, Beep, Get Out of My #$%&@&$ Way
#12 - Hillary Lied to Zeifman, Rigged Nixon Impeachment Protocols
#13 - It Takes a Village To Stiff a Waitress
#14 - Rape, Part 1
#15 - Rape, Part 2
#16 - Rape, Part 3

NOTE: the survival of our Republic is threatened by two things -- fundamentalist Islamic terrorists and Hillary Rodham Clinton. President Bush is leading the fight against the terrorists. It is up to those of us who know the real Hillary Clinton to lead the fight against her. We must shine the light of truth on this dangerous woman so that all Americans may know the real Hillary.

#17 in the continuing series.

In answer to the question, yes, Hillary does have a goon squad. We have known for some time that Hillary insists on controlling those venues in which she appears. She has not appeared at Yankee Stadium because, of course, she would be roundly booed. Perhaps she wishes she would not have shown up on stage at the benefit Concert for New York where she was booed off the stage. In those public venues in which Queen Hillary appears, she gets "a little help from her friends." Those friends are affectionately known as the "goon squad."

Are we making this up? Absolutely not. The source is someone who proudly is in charge of the goon squad. He is Patrick Halley and admits in his book, "On the Road With Hillary," that those who don't like Hillary in a crowd may have the opportunity to get roughed up a bit. Halley is a political hack who has worked for Hillary since 1992. As an advance man, he was in charge of handling all the details that make her look good.

In the following exchange, it is clear that Halley is still very loyal to Hillary despite the fact that his book tells America what he has done for her. This is from an online event on Washington Post online, Sept. 19, 2002, in which questions came from the audience.

Washington, D.C.: Hillary said Ken Starr was part of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against her and President Clinton. Given the questionable ethics of castigating an Independent Counsel, do you feel that she was right to make that claim?
Patrick S. Halley: I think that anyone who reads David Brock's book "Blinded by the Right" will learn just how true that is. There was indeed a vast right-wing conspiracy and Ken Starr was an integral part of it all.

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That Halley admits what he's done is somewhat amazing. His goons are sprinkled throughout the crowd for Hillary appearances "so there was always someone able to respond quickly."

"Less genteel souls sometimes referred to them as goon squads," he writes his new book. "But I objected to that term. I was proud of the fact that not one of them had ever been arrested," he boasts.

Halley said he prefers the term "etiquette squad" to describe the Clinton goon squads, but he admitted that "they could certainly be intimidating if the occasion called for it."

"The make-up of the etiquette squad differed from event to event, and I always found it best to use folks who were indigenous," he explained. "After all, you wouldn't want to send a team of broad-shouldered teamsters into an event at a women's college."

Halley claims that he "never advocated physical confrontation and always insisted that the etiquette squad stay within the boundaries of the law." But then he confesses, "Sadly, but inevitably, things sometimes got a little frisky, but my recruits knew how to handle themselves."

FROM NEWSMAX:

Rumors of Clinton operatives roughing up both reporters and protesters during Hillary's 2000 Senate campaign were legion, but the mainstream press declined to cover the assaults.

One such altercation took place as Mrs. Clinton marched in New York's St. Patrick's Day parade during the campaign. The scene was described moments later by Metro Network News reporter Glenn Schuck, who assumed that rogue Secret Service agents had been responsible for the thug-like tactics:

"Secret Service agents literally are pushing press to the ground. They just lost their minds, in my opinion," Schuck told WABC Radio's Sean Hannity.

"I mean they just started pushing and shoving; female camera people five feet tall were getting thrown to the ground, cameras flying. Myself, I was grabbed by the shoulder, I was thrown back over. I think somebody from Channel 11 landed on my back. From that point it really didn't get any better."

A few days after Schuck's report, a caller to WOR Radio's Bob Grant Show reported that she and her family were also accosted by the Clinton goons along the parade route.

Caller "Maureen" reported that her family had been booing Mrs. Clinton as she marched along when "they were surrounded by men in trench coats with radios." She quoted the men as saying that they "did not have the right" to heckle, before ordering, "We think you should stop this now."

The goon squad tactics described by Mr. Halley were apparently also practiced by Mr. Clinton's advance team. During an October 1998 protest of the then-president's visit to Philadelphia, demonstrators were set upon by goons wearing T-shirts bearing the message "Teamsters for Clinton."

Philadelphia-native Don Adams was beaten severely during the confrontation and later filed suit against city officials.

Before the revelation in Halley's book, no one previously associated with the Clinton White House had ever admitted using goon squads to stifle free speech.

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It may be worth noting that while Halley was running the goon squad, he was being paid with taxpayer-subsidized paychecks, compliments of the citizens of Massachusetts, then from the rest of U.S. citizens.

In reading some of the book reviews for "On the Road With Hillary," there was very little mention of the goon squads. In fact, it appears that Kathy Kiely of USA Today was busy kissing Hillary's ample posterior when she wrote the following:

The most significant (and devastating) observation Halley offers has nothing to do with Clinton. It's his take on what motivates the gypsies who, every election season, uproot their lives, disconnect from loved ones and give up regular food and sleep for cold pizza, flat Cokes and all-nighters.

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To survive politically, Hillary has to hide both her character and her crimes. We can't let that happen. The mainstream press and our fellow Americans need our help.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: daughterofsatan; evilincarnate; hillary; hilliar; ultimatebeeitch; whowillstopher
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1 posted on 01/03/2003 7:41:51 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: altair; Slyfox; chnsmok; stockpixx; exit82; malia; stanz; ditto h; Fred Mertz; johnny7; Aric2000; ..
Hello, Ping List.
2 posted on 01/03/2003 7:43:32 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: nutmeg
bttt
3 posted on 01/03/2003 7:45:38 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: doug from upland
I am bookmarking these. At appropriate times, I can send a link to radio hosts and tv news shows. If I hear someone talking about any of this, off the link goes. This, of course, will heat up soon.
4 posted on 01/03/2003 7:54:14 PM PST by chnsmok
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"Beat it or I'll call the Brute Squad!"

"I'm ON the Brute Squad."

"You ARE the Brute Squad."
5 posted on 01/03/2003 7:57:07 PM PST by Green Knight
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To: doug from upland
Hi DFU! Why is it so difficult for so many Americans these days to just call a goon a goon? Or a thug a thug? Used to be, not so very long ago, people were readily able to recognize such types, and to understand them as antisocial, therefore dangerous to persons, families, and communities.

I guess maybe it's true that rhetoric has come completely unhitched from reality. And thus do lies propagate....

Thanks for a great post, and this great series!

6 posted on 01/03/2003 7:58:15 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Seriesly!
7 posted on 01/03/2003 8:01:04 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: All
ON THE ROAD WITH HILLARY: A Behind-The-Scenes Look at the Journey from Arkansas to the U.S. Senate.
By Patrick S. Halley.
New York: Penguin Putnam Inc., 320 pages, $24.95, hardcover.
8 posted on 01/03/2003 8:16:00 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: chnsmok
I don't suppose I need to add that I regard Hillary!, quite personally, as both a goon and a thug. And so much more. :^) Her history speaks for itself....

I would like to think she "is history." Instead, she haunts my sleep, this hideous harridan from Hell.

Oooops! I'm engaging in hyperbole again!

9 posted on 01/03/2003 8:20:16 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Part of me wants her to run so we can squash her like a bug, another part looks at those blue areas and realizes the worst could happen.
10 posted on 01/03/2003 8:23:52 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: betty boop
Nothing can be too hyperbolic when it comes to this creature.
11 posted on 01/03/2003 8:24:05 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: chnsmok
Yes, the worst could happen --- such as a series of "accidents" that happen to those in her way.
12 posted on 01/03/2003 8:26:35 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
$17.47 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. ON THE ROAD WITH HILLARY at Amazon.
13 posted on 01/03/2003 8:27:29 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: doug from upland
There are 10 candidates for Dem Prez in 04 right now. Would that be mass murder or a serial killing?
14 posted on 01/03/2003 8:32:34 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: chnsmok
"Part of me wants her to run so we can squash her like a bug, another part looks at those blue areas and realizes the worst could happen."

Good thinking but Hillary wouldn't have been elected dog catcher if it wasn't for her loathsome husband. However, the worst could happen at this point in time.

By the way, Hillary is a goon, or at least a witch.

15 posted on 01/03/2003 8:41:10 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: doug from upland
Keep up the great work Doug.

However, as much as the mainstream press and our fellow Americans need our help, lets stick with informing Americans directly. The mainstream press,unfortunately,will NEVER report any of these happenings and raise it to the level of the Trent Lott fiasco. It's up to us.

Case in point: Although I did not see the show, Chrissy Matthews could have asked her about this and the other subjects you've got links to. Hardball my ass. She is the answer to their agenda and there is no way they will defy either her or it.

The triumph of the wicked is short.

16 posted on 01/03/2003 9:05:57 PM PST by capydick
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To: chnsmok
It would be a thorough waste of ammunation.
17 posted on 01/03/2003 9:44:16 PM PST by SAJ
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To: chnsmok
Part of me wants her to run so we can squash her like a bug, another part looks at those blue areas and realizes the worst could happen.

Yeah. Them "blue areas" sure do give me the chills....

Still, it's entirely possible that Hillary! is entirely over, but just doesn't realize it yet. Seems lately her charming hubby has pretty much dropped off a cliff.... Hopefully, HRC will shortly follow.

I expect it wouldn't hurt much if the likes of you and me were to give her a little "push," any chance we got to do it. Mainly, by telling the truth in public.

What an astounding idea!

Thanks for your fine company this evening, chnsmok.

18 posted on 01/03/2003 9:49:23 PM PST by betty boop
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To: doug from upland
"Creature" she may be, DFW; but I imagine HRC would be the second-to-last person on earth to acknowledge that fact.

I dunno, but when I "contemplate the enormity" of an HRC, what I am reminded of is Hannah Arendt's apt phrase, "the banality of evil."

Now I am not merely engaging, but indulging in hyperbole!

She definitely needs to be publicly exposed. Not for any putative sins of her private life. But for the sheer malfeasance and cynicism of her public record so far, and the noxious ideology she spews.

19 posted on 01/03/2003 9:58:41 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
I bow to #2295 from #26743.
20 posted on 01/03/2003 9:59:13 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: doug from upland; Doctor Raoul
The good doctor has some personal experience with this.

In New york, if I remember correctly.

Regards,

21 posted on 01/04/2003 3:11:28 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine
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To: doug from upland
Are the goons actually members of the Secret Service or are they fair game?
22 posted on 01/04/2003 4:59:26 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: doug from upland
doug, as long as you publish these, I'll keep sending them out across 'netland.

For other who'd like to try a hand at this, Go here:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

for links, tools, & instructions about how to contact a pile of different people, and how to send a link to this story right here ( or anywhere else ) to a "mass email" using Outlook Express.

23 posted on 01/04/2003 5:13:12 AM PST by backhoe
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To: doug from upland
>>Philadelphia-native Don Adams was beaten severely during the confrontation and later filed suit against city officials.


We alsways suspected that the brown shirts did it. Do we now have proof?
24 posted on 01/04/2003 5:26:34 AM PST by The Raven
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To: doug from upland
When hillary ran for the Senate, I thought that the NY press would rip her apart.......what a fool I was!
25 posted on 01/04/2003 5:37:18 AM PST by mickie
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To: The Raven
A couple of the union members were found guilty of attacking Don.
26 posted on 01/04/2003 5:44:08 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Ed_in_NJ
I lived in PA then and was going to go to that Freep - but had a business meeting at the last minute.

27 posted on 01/04/2003 5:48:48 AM PST by The Raven
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To: doug from upland
Almost lynched in Hartford, Nov 4, 1999 rally for Clinton, attended by State Cov John Rowland, Jesse Jackson, et al.

Sued by a Clinton Supporter, 2001

Shoved by Clinton Supporter, 2001, Newburgh

Grabbed by Clinton Supporter, 2001, Hartford

Threatened by a Cop in NY when an old-lady-Clinton Supporter started pushing ME...all I did was call out OFFICER!!

Slandered by name in the Hartford Courant and lied about as being an Anti-Semite by Clinton Supporter Michelle Jacklin

Lied about on the radio by defeated Democrat Clinton Supporter Jim Maloney

THE DEMOCRATS: The Party of Love.
28 posted on 01/04/2003 6:43:58 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: doug from upland
The FreeRepublic does not have to wonder. Our members have been hit by them.
29 posted on 01/04/2003 6:48:11 AM PST by bmwcyle
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To: Maelstrom
No, they might have looked like Secret Service, but they were Hillary's people. And still are.
30 posted on 01/04/2003 8:31:37 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
BTTT!

I strongly urge all Freepers in encounters with Hillary!-Goons in the future to be prepared to defend yourselves with mace. This will 'paint' the perps with the chemicals of defense, and if they are so foolish as to bring criminal charges, wherein the right to self-defense will absolve the actual victims of repression, then we will have a media field-day. Which is precisely what the Klintons will strive to avoid. [Note how proud Halley is that none of his thugs got arrested ]

31 posted on 01/04/2003 9:05:32 AM PST by Paul Ross
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To: chnsmok
I bow to #2295 from #26743.

???

32 posted on 01/04/2003 9:23:32 AM PST by betty boop
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To: doug from upland; firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Doctor Raoul; Neets; evilC; ...
Any of you who were in NYC and/or New York state during Her Heinous' long, long campaign back in 1999/2000 knows that she does indeed have a goon squad!

Caller "Maureen" reported that her family had been booing Mrs. Clinton as she marched along when "they were surrounded by men in trench coats with radios." She quoted the men as saying that they "did not have the right" to heckle, before ordering, "We think you should stop this now."

Funny... same thing happened to us while we were booing her at the Columbus Day parade in early October 2000. It happened right in front of St. Patrick's Cathedral. Her goon squad was very intimidating, not to mention the union thugs who were surrounding her with their illegal professionally-printed union signs on wooden posts. From what I understood, candidates were not allowed to march with people holding signs like that in any of NYC's parades. Of course she got away with it - time and time again.

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ping list.

33 posted on 01/04/2003 10:46:21 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg
Thanks for posting the info on this thread. I am still amazed that Halley has admitted this. We need to find a way to get the names of the goons and out them.
34 posted on 01/04/2003 10:50:17 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
Thanks, doug, for another great post. These America haters must be stopped!
35 posted on 01/04/2003 11:10:45 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: chnsmok
Part of me wants her to run so we can squash her like a bug,...

I know exactly what you mean, smoke. But we both know that with her well-oiled voter fraud machine we could very well lose. I am sure that they learned much from whatever mistakes they made in FLA that cut into their fabricated lead.
36 posted on 01/04/2003 11:13:16 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: nutmeg
Thanks for flagging me. Happy New Year, girlfriend.
37 posted on 01/04/2003 11:16:47 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: doug from upland
How about the goons in black suits that confronted Patrick Knowlton?

SS? CIA? I don't think so. They were Clinton slobs... trained monkeys for hire.

The rapist is a chump compared to his partner.

38 posted on 01/04/2003 11:31:35 AM PST by johnny7
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To: johnny7
No, those who harassed Knowlton were FBI. Janet Reno's FBI.
39 posted on 01/04/2003 11:35:16 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: chnsmok
You don't have to kill them all, just one. The rest will get the idea.
40 posted on 01/04/2003 11:38:09 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: All
How fun would it be to be identifying her goon squad and following them in a crowd with a sign pointing to them as the goon squad. Their pictures need to be published.
41 posted on 01/04/2003 12:08:14 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Republic of Texas
I don't want to kill them. I was referring to Doug's reference to "things" happening to foes of the Clintons.
42 posted on 01/04/2003 12:13:55 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: nutmeg
Ah, yes. In my case, I was visiting New York (living in Florida at the time) on Columbus Day weekend, when I got to see both Lazio and Hillary campaign. Hillary was much more memorable, as I almost literally bumped into her. I was walking on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx to go pick up some goodies at the Italian Market. I noticed that there was a Columbus Day celebration going on, but decided to walk through the celebration to get to the market. As I walked through the crowd I noticed that they seemed more excited then normal. Lo and behold, when I looked ahead, there was the Hildebeast, wearing old crusty, standing three inches away with her back turned to me. Before I bumped into her, a secret service agent politely stopped me. Thankfully, there were no union (of Mafia) thugs around to "make the message stick."
43 posted on 01/04/2003 2:12:46 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: doug from upland
Hello Doug -

Thanks for posting this - I thought I had already heard enough negative things about her and I didn't even know this. I thought it was Secret Service agents roughing up people.

It is absolutely amazing what she gets away with. I would gladly volunteer to boo and jeer and heckle her - I'm not a small guy and would not be easily intimidated. If someone was there with a camera to document any illegal overbearing force - I would really enjoy exercising my rights as a free American and I would go to the mat with anyone who tryed to stop me short of using a gun or a knife.

I would be thrilled and prouc to go to jail if necessary. Unfortunately, she doesn't come to my side of town, the left coast.
44 posted on 01/04/2003 2:26:12 PM PST by M. Peach
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To: Clemenza
Yikes... 3 inches away from the Hildabeast! :-O
45 posted on 01/04/2003 2:40:44 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: RaceBannon
Slandered by name in the Hartford Courant and lied about as being an Anti-Semite by Clinton Supporter Michelle Jacklin

Lied about on the radio by defeated Democrat Clinton Supporter Jim Maloney

And don't forget the lies fabricated by DemocRAT Clinton supporter Maloney that were spread all over our local TV affiliates: Channel 3 (WFSB-CBS), Channel 30 (WVIT-NBC), Channel 8 (WTNH-ABC) and Channel 61 (WTIC-FOX) after our incredible LIEberman FReep - Saturday, Dec 2, 2000. We were "anti-Semitic" and we "had Confederate flags flying". (???) Geesh!

46 posted on 01/04/2003 2:48:54 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: doug from upland
Their pictures need to be published.

I agree. I sure wish one of us was filming the whole event back at that Columbus Day parade in NYC. Well... we'll know better when she gets her presidential campaign going!

Oh, I forgot to add in my post above (#33) that when the Hildabeast came walking by - besides her thugs "roughing up the crowd" (basically pushing and shoving us) - we were BOOing her, so her thugs kept shouting "Hillary! Hillary!" even louder to outshout us! She had this fortress of people surrounding her...it was amazing. I've never seen anything like it.

47 posted on 01/04/2003 3:00:34 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Bigg Red
Thanks for flagging me. Happy New Year, girlfriend.

Hey, girlfriend... Happy New Year to you too! We'll be at CPAC - will you be there?

48 posted on 01/04/2003 3:01:48 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: doug from upland
It's his take on what motivates the gypsies who, every election season, uproot their lives, disconnect from loved ones and give up regular food and sleep for cold pizza, flat Cokes and all-nighters.

Sounds like a cult to me

This kind of stuff (will everyone on a parade route have to salute or be beaten?) resembles Nazi Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc satellites, and tinhorn African dictatorships (like Mugabe's Zimbabwe).

49 posted on 01/04/2003 3:24:03 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: Fred Hayek
For the followers of the Clintons, it is a substitute for religious beliefs. It is their religion.
50 posted on 01/04/2003 4:12:30 PM PST by doug from upland
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