Time to roar To become the Northern Tiger, Canada needs to emulate winners

Calgary Herald | Saturday, December 28, 2002 | Editorial

[Sparta]

Canadians feel like they're working harder, but they don't seem to be getting ahead. It's not just an illusion; our standard of living, compared to other industrialized nations, has been in freefall since the end of the Second World War.

Two years ago, Industry Canada reported that Canada's standard of living was equal to that of Mississippi, the poorest state in the U.S. In early December, a study on innovation by the Conference Board of Canada ranked Canada last out of 10 countries. Last week, the Centre for the Study of Living Standards reported that Canada had slipped -- again -- in its annual ranking of 23 nations. We're now in sixth place, ousted by the Celtic Tiger of Ireland which leapfrogged to third.

The irony is not lost that it is a nation whose people once flocked to Canada for a better life, which is now providing a far better one for its citizens.

Ottawa's response to such gloomy numbers has been to first deny them, then defend them, and then, thankfully, to declare improving productivity a high priority. Industry Minister Allan Rock held a summit this fall, and unveiled his innovation agenda in November.

Unhappily, many of his ideas were met with snorts of skepticism from business leaders.

Rock wants to create, through federal intervention, 10 internationally recognized industry clusters spread across the country by 2010.

A worthy enough goal, but as other nations have learned, micro-managing innovation isn't possible. Instead, governments must create the right macroeconomic conditions for entrepreneurship to thrive.

Ireland, for example, was mired in economic torpor in the 1980s. In 1987, it elected new, fiscally responsible leaders who launched aggressive reforms.

The size and cost of government was severely reduced, corporate and income taxes were slashed, and a deal brokered with the unions to keep wage increases low. Labour leaders were smart enough to see the benefits to them of a healthy economy. Besides, when accompanied with deep income-tax cuts, even modest wage increases still resulted in more money in their members' pockets.

These changes made Ireland an attractive place to invest, not just for the Irish themselves, but for more than 1,000 foreign firms, who were warmly welcomed. About 600 U.S. firms landed on the tiny island in the late 1980s and helped fuel its recovery.

As the economy roared forward, government revenues quickly rose again. Tax levels were kept low, but, with growth so high, the net effect was that government regained the means to provide a high level of core services, such as a massive expansion of post-secondary training programs and free university tuition.

Ireland now leads the world in GDP and job growth and provides a standard of living below only that of the U.S. and Norway.

Rock's New Year's resolution should be to listen to Canadian business leaders, who are begging for similar types of reforms.

First, Ottawa needs to eliminate the capital tax, which provides a huge disincentive for corporations to invest their profits. Second, it must slash corporate taxes. Ireland's rate is 12.5 per cent; in Canada, it can run as high as 43 per cent.

Marginal income taxes have to come down, too, as they are also a disincentive to work longer or to try for a better job. Canada's top rate kicks in at around $103,000 federally, and $65,000 provincially, compared to $300,000 Cdn in the U.S.

Follow those moves by cutting red tape for entrepreneurs, eliminating domestic trade barriers and removing limits to foreign investment, and Canada would soon be able to earn the title it so covets -- Northern Tiger.

The key is to learn from others' successes and to listen to those who know.

[Sparta]

The clouds darken over the worker's paradise of Canada.

[Sparta]

ping!!!

[Ciexyz]

Our neighbors to the North have to learn that they can't tax their way to prosperity.

[second_half_recovery]

Don't forget their lovely habit of importing hordes of third-world castoffs.

Looks like Canada's leaders are doing their utmost to create a nation that combines the worst aspects of the Balkans and Cuba.

[The Electrician]

Our neighbors to the North have to learn that they can't tax their way to prosperity.

So do we... That highest marginal tax rate in the US takes effect at a very low level.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #1: To achieve freedom and economic success Canadians must follow the example of the people of Poland and overthrow their marxist government.

[Black Powder]

To achieve freedom and economic success Canadians must follow the example of the people of Poland and overthrow their marxist government.

These days, Poland has an unemployment rate of about 18%, no growth, per capita GDP of $8000 USD and is quickly reverting back to Marxism. Poland is only a marginal success when comparing it to the other disasters in Eastern Europe.

[A6M3]

For canada that would be an improvement.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I've spent a lot of time in Canada and it is a very pleasant place to live. I fear they are doing what we did in the 60's and 70's and running their economy into the ground. We woke up, may be they will too. Better for everyone if they did.

[goodnesswins]

I am under the impression that it was Trudeau who sent Canada on its current "tour" of socialism - their dollar was better than ours until he started his social commandeering....and seems things are still stuck there today. Too bad...there are a lot of intelligent and God fearing Canadians who work hard.....to support those who think they don't have to (work hard.)

[A6M3]

Reply to post #10: The problem is, is the communist government you elected is a threat to the United States. Your marxist government has been providing cover for arab terrorists in fear of losing arab votes from your large arab population. The members of parliment you elected are standing up in that parliment and making speeches lobbying for hamas so they can set up bases in canada. Most of the terrorists that sneak into the United States come from canada.

[Sparta]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/user-posts?id=90539

Sciscyp's previous posts. You're arguing with a brickwall.

[Black Powder]

Most of the terrorists that sneak into the United States come from canada.

Even the ones you taught how to fly commercial airliners and gave visas to after they're dead? Are all americans irresponsible dumbasses like you, who like to blame others for your own problems?

[Clemenza]

Defensive of our little igloo are we?

[A6M3]

Reply to post #14: We might have taught them how to fly, but we didn't teach them how to land. I think you misunderstood, I am not blaming canada for our problems, I am stating that canada, is our problem. In future dicussions please try and remember, that the party who calls the first name, loses the debate.

[Black Powder]

I think you misunderstood, I am not blaming canada for our problems, I am stating that canada, is our problem.

Why is that? None of the 9/11 terrorists came to the USA from Canada. They were practically invited there by the americans and given room and board, and a few flying lessons. US immigration is so utterly lame, even after 9/11, that a terrorist wouldn't have to bother going through Canada. You let in millions of illegals each year from your southern border, cozy up to countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Yemen (where the terrorists usually come from) and yet you have the nerve to point fingers at another country like Canada because of your own inept policies and security. It's Canada that should be worried about all of the freaks that end up in the US and whether they'll someday spill across the border. Actually, that's already occuring since 75% of immigration to Canada comes from the US.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I don't know when the rot started, I only what know what I see today. They have other problems besides Socialism, just like we do. Their elites hate the ethic and peoples that made Canada such a pleasant place and they're doing everything they can to destroy traditional Canada.

Of course being harnessed to a few million bitter francophones doesn't make the place easier to govern. French is moribund in North America and Canada spends an enormous amount of political capital trying to avert the inevitable.

[Jim Noble]

>>French is moribund in North America<<

It's moribund in Europe, too.

C'est la vie.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #17: Why is that? What about the 5 terrorists the canadian government let in last week? What about cover given to arab terrorists because the canadian politicians are afraid of losing votes from the ever increasing arab population in canada? What about your MPs who stand up in parliment and lobby for hamas to be allowed to set up shop in canada to garner arab votes as reported earlier this week on Fox News by a canadian commentator? As far as illegals go, I would rather have none, but if I had to choose, I would rather have millions from Mexico than millions from canada. Most American's who make the decision to immigrate to canada are communists and canada is the closest thing to their imagined marxist utopia this side of North Korea.

[Dr. Luv]

"What about the 5 terrorists the canadian government let in last week?"

You mean the jewelly store owner in Pakistan who had never been to Canada or the U.S.? Methinks we should know what we're talking about before we cast aspersions on others...

[A6M3]

Reply to post #21: Whether your parliment has communist members or not, depends on how you define communists. The way I define them, they are communists, and I adhere to my definition not yours. As far as your sovereignty is concerned, you only have it until you become a threat to the United States. The only reason canada exists as a nation, is because we allow it to. If it wasn't for us, the soviet union and/or china would have ate canada for breakfast during the cold war. If you don't believe it, let your political soul mates, the north koreans or the cubans, put missle bases on canadian soil, and we will soon see, how long your sovereignty lasts. As far as apology's go, I owe myself one, for being so kind in my comments to you and your communist homeland.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #22: The Paki jewelry store guy situation is still up in the air. The guy thats here, may be an identical look alike, right down to the facial mole. If he stole the Paki's identity then no foul, no blame, it's a legitimate mistake. Methinks, you should wait until the jury's in, before you read the verdict.

[Dr. Luv]

Methinks you should follow your own advice. This from a Globe and Mail story yesterday:

"But yesterday, the FBI admitted that the most important ingredient in the story -- that is, the proof -- is nowhere to be found: "There is no border-crossing information that would say they're here," FBI spokesman Ed Cogswell said. "And to say they came in from Canada is pure speculation."

You might be interested in the whole story: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030104/UFIVEN/Front/frontpage/frontpage_temp/1/1/5/

...but given your prediliction for rigidity, I doubt it. Your comment to scisyhp may have been the stupidest thing a Freeper has said on this board for a very long time:

"The only reason canada exists as a nation, is because we allow it to"

My apologies to our Canadian friends for this arrogant clunk-head...

p.s. Your definition of communism is very amusing - I hadn't realized that communists would allow themselves to go to the polls every five years - as the Canadian constitution requires.

[friendly]

I saw Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine" a well done pack of lies and vicious political agit-prop that would have done Stalin proud. In this duplicitous movie, a recurring theme is the Canada is a socialist paradise on earth.

Canada is in fact an economic and social backwater, with a rapidly declining standard of living.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #25: Just like I said, the jury is still out. Nothing has changed. All your article of reference proves, is that as of yesterday, the fbi doesn't have absolute proof of the terrorists entry. What that means in fbi speak is, is that they don't have proof, that would stand up in a court of law. But of course, you and I don't exist, in a court of law. Yes, it is pure speculation, but the fbi did the speculating, and released the terrorists pictures, which means they had more than just a hunch to go on. Of course there is no border crossing information that would say they're here. They aren't going to sign in as they cross at a guarded border crossing. They are going to cross where there are no guards. Methinks the jury is still out. And yes it's true that canada would not exist as a sovereign nation if the United States didn't allow it to. Not arrogance, just fact. Please, in your next reply, give me an estimate on canada's lifespan, if the United States relayed a message to Russia and/or China, stating that the United States no longer considered the sovereignty of canada to be in the national interest of the United States Of America. Your statement about communists and the canadian constitution really revealed your ignorance about communist states. May I refer you to the constitution of the of the soviet socialist republics, chapter 13, articles 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, and 102. Methinks you should enlighten yourself before making such rash observations.

[Dr. Luv]

My, my, that is a lot of hot air you have expended. Despite the fact that the FBI never said these five were terrorists - you have. Despite the fact that the FBI are now furiously back-pedalling - you're not. Despite the fact that at least one of these guys never left Pakistan - doesn't seem to matter to you. This sort of unbridled arrogance in the face of facts would be amusing if it weren't so - pathetic.

Funny that you would mention Canada and the Soviets in the same sentence in your hate-Canada screed. How many truly free elections did the Soviets have during their tenure? Compare that with Canada - whose citizens freely choose their leadership at least every five years. That you could cheapen the word "communist" simply to make a point about people you do not like speaks volumes about your character.

What you need to realise is how important Canada is to the survival of OUR nation. Despite your protestations, they have long been a friend, ally and our most important trading partner. It is precisely your type of misplaced haughtiness that gives us all a bad name...

[albertabound]

many of whom are illegal immigrants fleeing the U.S.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #28: You're just flat out wrong about the fbi not claiming the "phantom five" were terrorists. The initial fbi reports (and this was reported on Fox News) stated that "the five" were persons of interest and not necessarily terrorists. Then, several days later on Fox News, the fbi stated that the five should be considered as terrorists. I would strongly suggest you contact Fox News and get your facts straight. As I stated before, the Paki might have a double. That's still an open issue. Now, on to the canadian soviet issue. You stated in your previous post(Methinks you should re-read it) and I'll quote, "I hadn't realized that communists would allow themselves to go to the polls every fives years as the canadian constitution requires". Your right, you hadn't realized it. You didn't realize it, because, as I stated before, you are ignorant. Nothing has changed. By your statement you inferred that canada couldn't possibly have a communist government do to the fact that the canadian constitution states that you have to have elections every five years. As I have shown you (I hope you did your reading assignment)the soviet constitution states that they are to have elections also, does this then prove that the soviet government wasn't a communist government. Probably in your mind it does. What makes a communist government isn't necessarily what's in their constitution (really it's quite irrelevant) it's what's in their heads that counts. The canadian government has a marxist mindset, and yes, they certainly are representative of the majority of the canadian citizens, and that's what makes them the blood enemys of the United States. The United States congress has at least 60 members who openly belong to the international socialists and are determined to transform the United States into a socialist state. They too, just like canada, are the blood enemys of the United States. China is an important communist trading partner also, but that doesn't make them a friend. What you refer to as haughtiness, I refer to as real politik. Oh! That reminds me, you didn't give me an estimate on the projected length of canada's survival as a sovereign nation if the United States told Russia/and or China that the United States no longer considered canadian sovereignty to be in the national interest of the United States. I guess you couldn't handle the reality you would have had to face to make that projection. Of course you can always compensate for your deficiency in your usual manner, by a round of name calling.

[Dr. Luv]

It’s really astonishing to me that a fellow Freeper could be as thick and as paranoid as you appear. Don’t you think it's kind of pathetic to believe every word that the talking heads from FOX News spout? As it relates to the “five terrorists”, the FBI NEVER claimed they were terrorists. Never. Indeed, ABC is tonight reporting that the entire affair is a hoax. Do you feel embarrassed? You should...

The fact that you have initially compared a democratically elected government, with soviet era communists is wildly amusing. That you would continue to dig yourself a humiliating trench of stupidity “The canadian government has a marxist mindset, and yes, they certainly are representative of the majority of the canadian citizens, and that's what makes them the blood enemys of the United States.” illustrates that not all of us on the free republic have an IQ over room temperature. If you cannot understand the difference between a society that HAS democratic elections, and one that did not, then you are indeed a lost soul.

As it relates to Canadian sovereignty and Russia/China, I have one word for you, Finland. There they are, a functioning democratic nation, not under the protection of the U.S. and situated right beside the former USSR. Status? Sovereign, independent and certainly not in need of overweight bullies with their stomachs hanging over their keyboards.

Finally, you really do need to learn some basic HTML – your witless screeds would be far more entertaining with natural paragraph breaks.

p.s. Here’s your grammar lesson for the day - I imply, you infer. Get it?

[A6M3]

Reply to post #31: I see that you are still trying to make up for your lack of intellect by name calling. How shallow of mind you must be. To accomodate you I will simlify my comments. Now, on to the news reports of this evening. Fox reported that the fbi has said that the information they acquired from their informants about the terrorists was incorrect. Methinks you should consult your dictionary to determine the difference between the word incorrect and hoax. The fbi got the information while interrogating an informant named Hamandi and at this time they don't know why the he gave them incorrect information. The possibility also exists that Hamandi gave them correct information and what the fbi is releasing now is dis-information. For your benefit, dis-information is false information. See how nice I am, I saved you a trip to the dictionary. Oh, by the way, don't you think it's kind of pathetic to believe every word that the talking heads from ABC spout? And no, I don't feel a bit embarrassed because I said the jury was still out on the case, and it was until tonight, and that still depends of course on whether the information released by the fbi is dis-information or not. For your information, (and I know this may be tough for you to comprehend, but please try) a democratically elected communist is still a communist and still a blood enemy of the United States. All communists, marxists, and socialists, whether elected or not, are blood enemys of the United States. That's probably a little deep for someone like you with an IQ (2) degrees below that of the dark side of the moon. Finland? I knew you was ignorant, however I never would have believed a fellow freeper could be that ignorant. You couldn't have picked a better example to prove my point. Finland is independent, has elections, as long as they don't cross Russia. Canada is independent, has elections, as long as they don't cross the United States. Finland exists because Russia allows it to. canada exists because the United States allows it to. If Finland, due do its actions, becomes a threat to Russia, Russia will smash them. If canada due to its actions, becomes a threat to the United States, the United States will smash them. Really the best word to describe both Finland and canada is vassal. Methinks my ignorant friend you ought to brush up on the conditions of the peace treaty ending the the winter and continuation wars and the post war treaty signed with the Soviet Union in 1947 before you try and use Finland as an example of a weak state existing geographically next to a powerful state while still maintaining its independence and sovereignty. Next time you may win a debate instead of making yourself the poster child of ignorance and stupidity. At the very least you may save yourself some public embarrassment.

[Dr. Luv]

Giggle. Let me guess - I bet you had your own Y2K bunker and you spent the millenium roll-over hunkered down waiting for the world to end. It has been my significant experience that one not bother wasting time debating with conspiracy theorists (especially those with only a tenuous grasp of the English language) since they’ll just invent whatever they need to justify their predetermined beliefs:

"The possibility also exists that Hamandi gave them correct information and what the fbi is releasing now is dis-information."

Although very amusing, you clearly are not up to the task of debating me. If you want to continue to believe that Canada is a “blood enemy” and that “Communists” are behind every tree, then good-on-ya-lad.

p.s. The “terrorist hoax” story (that’s how the FBI describes it) is being widely reported this morning. Still not feeling stupid?

[A6M3]

Reply to post #33: Your claim that you won the debate is reminiscent of Saddam claiming he won the gulf war. I do believe you have revealed a Saddam like delusional psychopathic facet of your pathetic personality. Before you can win a debate you first have to debate. I debated, you called names. You (meaning you personally) cannot substitute cute phraseology, juvenile name calling, petty insults, and infantile witicisms for knowledge. It never works. For example, I challenged you on your canadian/Finnish sovereignty analogy. I invited you to check out the terms and conditions of the treaty that ended the winter and continuation wars and the post war peace treaty of 1947 between the Soviet Union and Finland. You didn't, or if you did, you would have found out that you just lost the debate. You would have found out that the Soviet Union forced the Finns to legalize the communist party, and sign a treaty of friendship and cooperation, and mutual assistance. Internationally Finland must also follow a policy of strict neutrality. In exchange for these concessions, the Soviet Union let Finland pretend it was a sovereign nation. So in a way you're right, in fact, it's a great analogy, and a defeat for you. The Soviet Union lets Finland pretend it's a sovereign nation, and the United States lets canada pretend it's a sovereign nation. Finland, what a joke. I still can't believe you made such a stupid tactical error. Shall we continue our review. I also challenged you by presenting you with a hypothetical situation in which the United States notifies Russia and/ or China that the United States no longer considers canadian sovereignty to be in the national interests of the United States. My still un-answered question to you was, and still is, for you to make a projection on how long you thought canadian sovereignty would last. You can't answer honestly, because if you do, you would have to admit that canada's survival as a sovereign nation depends on the United States. Real Politik, my uneducated friend, Real Politik. Here's another hypothetical for you, maybe you can answer this one. The canadian government decides that because their economy is in a shambles (nothing new there) and their treasury is almost non-existent, that they will accept an offer from the Chinese Communist government to grant them a 99 year lease on vast amounts of land along canada's southern border for the purpose of building military bases for the PLA. In exchange for the lease, China will pay canada a stipend of 100 billion canadian dollars per year. During the debate in parliment a few MPs stand up and suggest that maybe it might be a good idea to consult with the U.S. before the decision is made. Their suggestion is greeted with hoots and hollers and reminders that canada is in fact a sovereign nation. The yeas win the day and the lease is signed. canada again declares their sovereignty and refuses to even talk to the United about the deal. My question to you is, how long will the United States allow canada to exist as a sovereign nation from the time the lease is signed? The United States is at its present strength, as is canada. The question is of course, can you answer honestly, or will you respond with a new round of infantile name calling. As far as the fbi hoax story making me feel stupid goes, it really doesn't. The reason it doesn't is that nobody but the people directly involved really know what the truth is. For instance, the fbi may have captured most or all of the suspects and don't want their accomplices to know about it. So, they concoct the "informant lied" story, and in a few days the whole thing is off of the front pages and the 6:00 o-clock news. Presto, no more press, no more prying eyes. I have personally been involved in (2) covert operations and you wouldn't believe the extremes that these people will go to, to keep a secret. So no, I'm not embarrassed, nor do I feel stupid, because I have intimate knowledge on how these things sometimes work. Like I said before, I believe the jury is still out.

[Dr. Luv]

" I have personally been involved in (2) covert operations and you wouldn't believe the extremes that these people will go to, to keep a secret."

Bwahahahahahah! I see - to top off your delusions (the Canadians leasing land to the Chinese for 100 billion a year is a real possibility, I'll grant you that...snicker...) - you now believe yourself to be Secret Agent Man.

Who said comedy was dead?

p.s. Get back on your meds man, you're becoming an embarrassment to the entire Freeper community...

p.p.s. Did you get a secret decoder ring or shoe phone when you were involved in these "covert operations"? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

[A6M3]

Reply to post #35: Once again you insist on displaying your ignorance, lack of knowledge, and infantile mentality by associating covert operations with television programs, shoe phones, and decoder rings. By making this type of comment you reveal another negative facet of your personality, retarded development. Methinks you should once again return to your dictionary (if you own one) and look up the word "hypothetical". Comedy is definitely not dead. However the same thing cannot be said about your ability to debate. Speaking of debate, I'm still waiting for you to begin. You can start by attempting to defend your silly Finnish analogy.

[Dr. Luv]

It has been my experience, that ideologues like you are not interested in debate. First, you spout ill-educated nonsense on a topic:

"Most of the terrorists that sneak into the United States come from canada."

When you're challenged on the facts, you spout nonsensical conspiracy theory nonsense

"the fbi may have captured most or all of the suspects and don't want their accomplices to know about it."

You then follow this up by self-aggrandising braggadocio:

" I have personally been involved in (2) covert operations”

I have a very busy practice, consequently I have a very small amount of free time to spend on my “hobby”. I want to spend that time debating rational folks that I can actually learn something from. Clearly, that is not you…

[krb]

Ottawa needs to eliminate the capital tax

They tax capital?!?!?!? What a bunch of dumb-asses.

[Snuffington]

The editorial gives some nice advice. But it seems about as likely for Canada to declare themselves an Islamic Republic as it would be for them to attempt the recommended economic reforms.

Every election seems to confirm that Canadians (with the possible exception of isolated sensible provinces, like Alberta and Manitoba) prefer socialism. When forced to choose between prosperity and socialism, they seem to choose the latter without a second thought.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #37: Once again, you begin your post with an utterly ridiculous statement, "It has been my experience". What possibly could that be? Whould you please list the ideologues by name, that you personally came into contact with, that were not interested in debate, other than myself of course. Oh by the way, I'm still waiting for you to debate your idiotic Finnish/canadian analogy. Then there were (2) hypotheticals, that instead of debating (because you knew you would lose), took refuge behind a round of insults and name calling. That's right, you did challenge me on some facts. Well here are a couple for you to research. (#1)Ghazi Ibramhim Abu Mezer. (#2)Ahmed Ressam. When you get done with that assignment, here's one more for you. Would you please comment on the fbi breaking up a major Pakistani alien smugglling ring (2) days ago, that had been operating on the canadian border since 1997. And what was that you was saying about a nonsensical conspiracy theory? I would like you elaborate on that a little more my naive friend, (or is it just plain stupid). Now, I'm going to take you by the ear, kicking and screaming, into the "blood enemy" arena, by asking you to comment, on winnipeg MP Bill Blaikie's statement, that President George W. Bush spends every minute of his life, planning and thinking of ways to kill as many Iraqi children as he can. The remarks were made on Tuesday 1-7-03 at a debate for the leadership of the federal new democratic party. Speaking of self-aggrandising braggadocio, lets discuss you ( and I mean you personally), trying to pass yourself off as a real physician, with a busy practice. Like you said a few posts ago, "who said comedy was dead". You, A physician with a busy practice, that's totally hilarious. I can't imagine any country in the world that would let someone with your lack of intelligence and knowledge practice medicine. Methinks you should change your monicker from Dr. Luv to Dr. Quack.

[A6M3]

P.S. Dr. Quack. You could learn something from a wet pan of clay.

[Straight Vermonter]

My employer, IBM, built a new IC test facility in Ireland rather in the US or Canada (where we also have facilities) because the tax situation was so advantageous. We flew over to set up the new plant and the workers told us the jobs they were getting paid 2 to 3 times what they had been able to get only a few years earlier. Ireland has found the key to growing their economy. LOW TAXES!

[RWG]

Don't forget their lovely habit of importing hordes of third-world castoffs.

Many to most of them are not cast offs but are wealthy asians-at least in the western provinces and that has created a caste system whereby 'average' canadians are losing ground in the standard of living competition.

[Dr. Luv]

Flick.......go away Secret Agent Man....LOL!......

[A6M3]

Reply to post #45: Gee doctor quack, do you always run, when forced to produce? You delusional types are all alike. When faced with reality, you run and hide. Oh, by the way, here's a little HTML for you. I think you'll like it. LOL.

His mind is racked,
With mass confusion,
A master of,
Self delusion,
Today he's camel,
Tommorow he's yak,
He's really known,
As Doctor Quack.

[A6M3]

Reply to Post #45: Oh'it's such a beautiful morning Dr. Quack, me thought it would be really nice to share some more HTML with you. Maybe it will cheer you up enough to explain your Finnish/canadian analogy, (2) arab terrorists caught crossing the canadian border, one in possesion of explosives, an MP who makes luving comments, a Pakistani smuggling ring operating on the canadian border, and (2) hypotheticals. LOL.

Some days he smiles,
Some days he frowns,
His only friends,
Are circus clowns,
There's his practice,
In that shack,
His shingle reads,
Doctor Quack.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #45: Well, good Sunday morning to you, Doctor Quack. Here's some HTML that best describes where your real sympathies lie. LOL.

Oh canada, Oh canada,
Is his refrain,
America the Beautiful,
He doth disdain,
Osama shot,
And on his back
Begging for,
His Doctor Quack.