Skip to comments.Illegal Immigration: A novel approach to the greatest security threat we have
Posted on 01/04/2003 12:43:36 AM PST by judicial meanz
A while back, I posted a thread on State Defense Forces and their role in Homeland Security. This is part two of the series.
A lot of media attention has been devoted to the problem of Illegal immigration along our Northern and Southern Borders. Calls for Federal Troops to be stationed there, the National Guard, and even hiring more Border Patrol Agents.
The Congress and the President seem to ignore the problem while crime escalates in the border regions and our citizens are threatened with serious crimes, as well as the obvious national security concerns.
Private militias have formed to protect citizens, and the problem is still ignored.
My question is: Why is this just a federal only problem? The states have the same authority as the Federal Government to station troops on the borders to stem the flow of illegal aliens, and are neglecting this role just as badly as the Feds are. The only problem is the State Governors arent facing the same heat because people dont know the military laws of their state. ( who could blame them)
Every state has the ability to use its State Militia to patrol the border and interdict illegal aliens. In some cases, they have even more authority.
State Militias are authorized under 32USC 109 of the United States Code.They are usually called "State Defense Forces" because federal statutes refer to them as such. Every state has statutes (under the shared responsibility clause of the Constitution governing military defense) to allow it to use the state militia at the discretion of the governor to do the following:
1) Invasion, insurrection, or threats of either 2) when any combination of person(s) become so powerful as to obstruct the execution of laws 3) WHEN THE GOVERNOR DETERMINES A STATE AGENCY OR AGENCIES HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS ARE IN NEED OF HELP IN PERFORMING THESE FUNCTIONS 4) Disasters 5) Emergencies of lesser magnitude ( as determined by the Governor-this is a catch all) 6) counter-drug duties
As anyone can see, a State Governor would have every justification in the world to call out the State Militia ( State Defense Forces) to secure our borders.
About 26 states have State Defense Forces. SO far, none have state troops detailed to curb illegal immigration or secure our borders from outside threats. They could keep Federal troops free from this duty so they could be used overseas in the impending war.
Why are we letting the states off the hook here? Because no one knows about these laws, or no one cares to know about them.
I suggest we start hounding our state governors and representatives to get on the ball as well as the Feds on this issue.
The problem was never that everyone believed that the governors of the border states couldn't take steps to secure their own borders with Mexico, it's that those same governors refused to.
Some believed that the governors from the border states were hesitant to do this, because it would lead to a confrontation with the federal government, or they were afraid of being called racists. Yada, yada, yada.
We all know that's not true, beyond a shadow of a doubt, now.
A former, Republican, border state governor is the sitting President of The United States. The Congress is in the control of the Republicans and still not a damn thing is being done to secure our borders.
If anything, our border security is being deliberately undermined further.
The governors of the border states are being elected by the same tidal wave of illegal immigrants that we'd be asking them to stop. The same governors that just returned from a meeting with Mexican state governors, where they discussed ways to open our borders further, are the ones we'd be petitioning to stop this madness. Fat chance of that, anymore.
The governors of the border states are hopelessly, pro-open borders, pro-illegal immigration, one (3rd) worlder, Liberal, Democrats or RINOs. That's why the newly legal and fraudulently voting illegal aliens elected them.
Look who was just elected governor of Arizona. Name one border state governor that won't resist the efforts of their concerned citizens to have their National Guard sent to the borders.
IMHO, the only reason the governors of the border states would voluntarily send their respective National Guard troops to the borders for would be to arrest or kill the courageous members of the citizens patrols and ranchers that have come together to resist the hoards of illegal immigrants that are pouring over our borders, daily.
Don't get me wrong. Keep the heat on every elected representative you can. But don't make the mistake in believing that it hasn't been done up until this point.
IMO though, the pressure to secure our borders will have to come from the citizens of the states that don't want to have the same things happen to their states that have happened to the border states.
As I said on another thread, 'The United States has gone from being the land of opportunity to being the land of illegal alien opportunists.'
And a lot of the pandering politicians from both parties are complicit.
Tom Tancredo in 2004!
I hope none of you mind my 'Pinging' you to this thread. I don't do too much 'Pinging' anymore, because Madfly, Tancredo Fan and Sabertooth 'Ping' almost the identical list of Freepers to the very same threads. Anyway, LMK.
I doubt we will see any independent action from any of our State Border Governors. I figure this is why Tom Tancredo had to fly down to southern Arizona to take the issue of border incursions to Washington. And this all stinks.
Does anyone know any more about these guvhah gangs? I have to agree with B4Ranch's idea of the Sheriff's power in the counties.
The University of Texas at Brownsville was host for the XVI Border Governors' Conference in June 1998. The SETB Lecture Hall was the main site for this meeting between the governors from both sides of the Mexican and US border.
The Border Governors and the Western Governors' Association don't include "immigration" in the following. There is some mention of it further down in the document, but it is obvious that this is not one of their priorities, when influencing Government policy. There is a lot of discussion and planning for the environmental conditions along the border, which reeks of Agenda 21 to me. Arizona has a lot of "21" programs, as I'm sure do all the Western States, as well as the nation.
Policy Resolution 02-15
WGA Relations with Mexico and the Border Governors' Conference
June 25, 2002
SPONSORS: Governors Hull, Davis and Perry
2. The tragic events of September 11, 2001 have brought a new focus to the international boundaries of the U.S. and to the need to ensure that security issues are of paramount concern.
3. Western states, and in particular the United States-Mexico border states of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California, are substantial participants in the Mexican market and have supported the full implementation of NAFTA throughout North America. Western states also have been supportive of U.S.- Mexican federal relations across the range of topics addressed by these two great nations.
4. There has been a substantial increase in passenger and commercial vehicle traffic at border crossings between the U.S. and Mexico accompanying the implementation of the NAFTA. The increase in vehicle traffic has often resulted in significant delays in traversing the border. These delays have impacts on both environmental quality and the cost of doing business.
5. Along with the Western Governors Association (WGA), one of the groups that has worked to expand and strengthen bilateral relationships between U.S. and Mexican border states is the U.S.-Mexico Border Governors Conference (BGC). The BGC includes the four U.S. and six Mexican border Governors whose states comprise the nearly 2,000 mile U.S.-Mexico border. The BGC has held binational conferences since 1980 to address issues of trade, investment, economic development, public health, the environment, tourism, transportation, and agriculture. The border Governors have conveyed their positions through joint declarations and policy initiatives.
6. During the past eight years, the WGA has worked specifically to build binational relationships in the border region between states through its Border Environment Dialogue Program, including its series of Ten State Retreats hosted in conjunction with different U.S. and Mexican border states on an annual basis, and its coordination support of the Environment session of the BGC. The focus of this program has been on strategic alliances and partnering needed to improve environmental and health conditions in the border region. Ultimately, WGA in conjunction with the BGC, aims to establish a permanent coordination mechanism between the 10 states on environmental matters.
C. GOVERNORS' MANAGEMENT DIRECTIVE
1. WGA shall convey this resolution to the Mexican border Governors, President Fox, President Bush, the following Mexican officials: Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Foreign Affiars, Secretary of Environmental and Natural Resources, Secretary of Transportation and Communications, and the National Ecological Institute, and the following U.S. administration officials:
Secretary of State, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Transportation, and the EPA Administrator.
WGA will also convey this resolution to Majority and Minority leadership of the Senate and House of Representatives.
Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, California, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.
Full text .pdf at this link:
Tancredo has been getting a good deal of air time lately:
Is there any kind of 'draft Tancredo', or 'consider Tancredo', or 'encourage him to run' movement that might cause the Pub's and our president to pay attention?
Maybe Tancredo Fan or Tom_Tancredo_Fan know of any organized efforts to draft Tom Tancredo.
Thanks for the compliment, Madfly. That was a nice post of yours, as well.
It's an honor and a pleasure to share a page with you. ;)
What in the name of 'Founding Fathers' and 'The Alamo' are those lunatics doing with image of the American Flag and the Mexican Flag all snaked together like that?
Looks to me if it is true the party is pressuring him into this sellout position. He has been a staunch opponent of amnesties and illegal immigration as far as I knew, so I'm finding this sudden 180 kind of odd.
Among other needful changes!
Sorry, surprise, surprise!
Governor's Remarks (Jane Dee Hull - Arizona)
XX Border Governors Conference
June 22, 2002
Even as the Border Governors gathered for the first time 20 years ago, they sensed the change on the horizon, the ever-accelerating movement toward a more globalized and interdependent world.
They realized that the path to prospering in this new world lies not along the path of individualism and divisiveness, but on the path of regional cooperation.
They had the vision to create the framework to make that regional cooperation possible.
That framework ? and the deep bonds of friendship and partnership that we have developed within it ? has provided the impetus for us to make this vision of regional cooperation a reality.
From the Declaration of Friendship the Governors signed in 1980 to the Joint Declaration that we signed today, our progress is plain to see.
We have established working, cooperative efforts that the Governors might never have imagined 20 years ago.
We are promoting coordinated cross-border cooperation among our state and federal law enforcement agencies, as well joint planning for our bridges and borders.
We have recognized that, just as rivers and pollution move freely across borders, so must we look beyond the border when planning on how to use and conserve our valuable natural resources.
We have joint inspection efforts to protect and expand our vast exchange of agricultural goods.
Our economic development and tourism agencies work in concert to encourage companies to locate in the border region and tourists to enjoy its wonders.
Together, we are making the residents of the border region healthier and better educated.
And we are making all of these efforts succeed through increased partnership with our federal governments. Just as Ambassadors Davidow and Bremer participate here today, last October representatives of the Border Governors participated for the first time in a meeting of the U.S.-Mexico Binational Commission.
Our federal governments, and we, as states, realize that the cooperation we have cultivated is critical to achieving our goal of making the border region safe and prosperous.
In sum, we have come a long way in these past 20 years toward establishing an integrated border region, a region in which community is the guiding principle.
Having come this distance, we must now ask ourselves the following: What will we accomplish in the next 20 years to come?
While we are proud of the border region, it would be disingenuous to say we don?t have problems.
This has been a difficult year, one in which issues we had not anticipated have come to the surface, and issues we thought resolved have continued to vex us.
We feel a sense of uncertainty with regard to some of our greatest concerns: the changing face of our border crossings after September 11, immigration, water and many other issues.
I would like for us all to contemplate where we might be with these issues in another 20 years. But we need to think beyond present circumstances, and beyond our borders.
Borders have a way of blocking our vision not just physically, but mentally.
The beloved American poet Robert Frost wrote ironically that, "Fences make good neighbors."
That seems true at times, especially times of international turmoil.
But, as Frost writes on, "There is something that does not love a wall."
Opening my mind and thinking ahead, I envision a region without walls.
I envision a region that is safe, friendly and efficient for all people with legitimate personal and professional business.
A region where crossing the border will be as simple as e-mailing your digitally encoded signature off your Palm Pilot to a binational database, and paying. . . .(more at .doc)
"Sorry, surprise, surprise."
My father and uncle were in the service at the same time you were. My uncle was in the Pacific theatre, while my father was in the European theatre. My uncle won't even say the word Kawasaki to this day, let alone ride one.
What's your opinion of Tom Tancredo, if I might ask?
WHY aren't they checking for those who haven't registerd for Selective Service??? Or is this another law that has been relegated to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" file???
Who Must Register With The Selective Service?
All male U.S. citizens must register with the Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday.
Male lawful permanent residents (green card holders), refugees, parolees, and asylees must register within 30 days of their 18th birthday or within 30 days of their arrival in the U.S. if age 18 through 25.
Undocumented aliens are required to register.
Why Must I Register With The Selective Service?
It is the law. Willful failure to comply with registration requirements is a felony which may be punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000.
Failure to register may be cause for denial of permanent residency (green card) and citizenship.
Many state and federal programs, including student financial aid, job training, and government employment, require proof of registration.
"Individualism" and patriotism, national sovereignty and citizenship right along with it are "devisiveness" and should all just be scourged from the planet, I suppose.
Yipes, is this 'Orwellian' or what?
"But, as Frost writes on, "There is something that does not love a wall.""
Let's see, if we can list some of the things that do not love walls to protect the borders of the United States.
1) Evil doers.
2) One (3rd) Worlder, globalists.
3) Drug smugglers.
4) Ilegal aliens.
6) The piss-ant, Mexican military.
7) Agents of other foreign governments.
8) Spineless, gutless, pandering politicians.
Anyone else want to contribute?
LEO's should ask for proof of Selective Service registration.
Is N.O.W. on record as demanding that all women be required to register with the Selective Service Administration?
They don't care what the people in these states want, they do refuse to because they've been making deals for themselves. There's money involved so the people don't matter.
Illegal immigrants are a net loss to the U.S. Taxpayers of $27 to $72 billion dollars annually depending who you ask and the various factors they use to make their calculations.
According to the C.I.S. an illegal immigrant will be a net average loss of $55,000 dollars over their lifetime and the Libertarian, CATO institute pegs it at around $89,000, I believe.
The government's not able to hide anything, really. The federal government's portion of the 'National Debt' is over $6 trillion dollars and add another $28 trillion for the rest of the total debt we're in as a Nation.
Our Governors and County officials, especially the Sheriff's, have the full power of the State at their disposal. That they have been unable and most unwilling to wield it effectively. If Sheriff's Departments showed the same zeal in preventing illegal crossing that they do in going after cash and property, the problem would be under control in a week.
Imagine if someone with the clout of Sheriff Arpaio were to get on this illegal immigration. The problem is these border counties and beyond are so "Mexified" already that true politicians are already courting the votes of the illegal immigrants, or at least their children.
What we need is the same system of border controls we have spent $300 Million building for Afghanistan. We simply have to know who's here and who wants to come. We cannot accomplish this because the Mexican Government, The Media, and the Democrat Party have succeeded in painting this normal process as "Racism."
In this effort they have been aided and abetted by the Republican Party.
Who could blame anybody that loves this country for being "po'd" about what our pandering politicians are doing?
I certainly hope that proves to be a false rumor. I haven't listened to Rush lately but what I have noticed with Rush in the past is that he tends to tip toe around the general issue of illegal immigration and amnesties every time a caller brings the subject up. Often he will agree with the caller, make some comment that he will talk about the issue in greater detail later in his show and drop the issue cold.
So I do get the feeling that Rush does get heat from the Republican Higher-Ups on his views about immigration and is "persuaded" to avoid touching on the topic. But to turn around and ENDORSE a Blanket Amnesty on the grounds that Bush is a Great War President? That's Absolutely Outrageous. What does that have to do with Amnesties? In fact Amnesties are a National Security Risk to this nation!
If Rush has indeed been muscled by party types to join the Open Borders "Sell Out America" Crowd and use his substantial influence to sell this Cr*p to the rank and file you can bet the ranch that George Bush is laying the groundwork for one HUGE AMNESTY. And it shows just how powerful the Ruling Beltway Elite can be in controlling the media. Scary.
Where did you hear this?
That symbol is an affront to the sovereignty of this country and tells everything one needs to know about the agenda of these border governors. What I find interesting about that Traitorous Attached Flags Symbol is that it is in a physically "impossible" shape. If you follow each flag towards the center of the symbol both of the flags turn "inside out" to attach to the front of the other flag, though the symbol makes this graphically "ambiguous".
It's really quite fitting as the terms "impossible", "turns inside out" and "ambiguous" describes well what America gets out of a fused relationship with Mexico.
Saw it on another forum from a poster who said it was in Rush's latest newsletter, the rationale apparently used to encouraging the House to write a bill in favor of amnesty has the following quote: "While it's morally wrong and politically unwise...(silence) this is a great war president".
This particular poster is the only source I've heard the news from and have been seeking confirmation of it, but if it is true it definitely looks like there may be some conditioning of the conservative masses being attempted. Big mistake if Rush thinks we can be brainwashed into such a ludicrous idea. He's better off sticking to the Ted Kennedy parodies, that's the only reason why I ever listened to him anyway.
Great Post 4F. You brought up several interesting points. It's no accident the Governors of the Border States are in a fixed orbit with the Open Border Cabal. Both parties studiously screen out any aspiring candidate in their party that believes in a Sovereign America. These candidates never get past GO in the first round. It's why there are so few Tom Tancredos in our government (how did he make it through the gauntlet?).
To date I've focused all of my lobbying efforts on my federal representatives. Yes, that's not enough. In many ways getting involved on the local level, where the rubber meets the road, is a far more productive way to get your voice heard and get things done.
The governors of the border states are hopelessly, pro-open borders, pro-illegal immigration, one (3rd) worlder, Liberal, Democrats or RINOs. That's why the newly legal and fraudulently voting illegal aliens elected them.
Bump That. It's quite telling how the Republicans suddenly dropped their protest of Motor Voter shortly after the Democrats enacted it. Motor Voter is one of the Greatest Acts of Treason our government has ever perpetrated on the American People. Apparently many Republicans are in on the action too. Yeah, Sure, let Illegal Aliens, any kind of non-citizen vote in OUR elections. America is in rapid descent.
I guess nothing has to make sense anymore. Yeah, it looks like our worst fears are about to be realized. Rush is a fool to go along with this. This is going to tear the party apart. Common Sense is totally gone from the political scene.