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Paintballers have stand off with Police SWAT in Coconut Creek, FL.
Florida Shooters Network ^ | 1/5/03 | Ryan

Posted on 01/05/2003 1:07:14 PM PST by Sledge

The following was posted on the Florida Shooters Network BBS this afternoon. What Ryan is hoping for is to inundate the e-mail of Mayor of Coconut Creek with e-mails expressing outrage over this blatant abuse of police power, ignoring private rights, and generally being jerks in dealing with a bunch of kids playing paintball on a vacant wooded lot.

Thank you for your help. I know that no one can "inundate" like Freepers.

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For those you who don't know. I operate out of Broward County operating a licensed corporation selling Paintball Supplies and Law-Enforcement Gear to the general public and private industries.

Well today wasn't a good day for my customers who play paintball inside the city of Coconut Creek.

Yesturday I was told by Officer Chris Colehorst to leave the property I had permission by the property owner to use to have kids and adults play on.

Officer Colehorst had a very bad attitude and wouldn't listen to any reasoning what so ever from us or the property owner...

Mind you my customers have been playing on this property for weeks since everyone was thrown off the old field up the street.

I called the property owner out on Saturday. He came and explained the situation to the officers. You think the officers would listen huh. NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOO...

So today all the paintballers went back to the old field except I where the same single officer who confronted us yesturday told them to leave.

Well try telling 40 pissed off already people that. MIAMI RIOTS MEAN ANYTHING HERE.

SO guess what... They told the one same officer to go screw off.

Guess who shows up at 11:30 am this morning.... after they told officer Colehorst to screw off.

WOW Coconut Creek SWAT shows up to enforce paintballers............ WOW something is strange here fellas... In this country of ours.... You dangerous evil paintballers must die from MP5 SMG fire.

I couldn't believe the phone calls I just got over the cell phone / NEXTEL direct connect....

Christ oh mighty for paintball. WTF guys...

I have a meeting with the Mayor of Coconut Creek Mayor Jim Walden Monday afternoon at 2:00 to discuss this situation. I have letters from parents and kids discussing there grief over the police stand off's over paintball. This stuff is just getting stupid by the year.

Coconut Creek SWAT to round up paintballers, WTF is going on...

I wasn't out there today but these kids have been playing out there in the old field since 1997. Now their's a problem with police after 5 years of playing.

I made a deal with a land owner up the street from the old field to clean up his property in exchange for the kids to use it as there new field. We did that three weeks ago.

Yesturday the NAZI Authorities threw us off the new field causing more problems. Tomorrow I need to speak with the thrid reich mayor and get his approval to the use the property we have permission to use for a field the kids can play on.

Contact Info is here for anyone who cares.

Coconut Creek Police Dept. 954-973-6700

Officer Cherry Judd

Officer Chris Corehorst

Seargent Waymire (Delta Unit Northern District)...

Oh officer Coreherst had the balls to call me this morning on my business mobile number and asked me on his personal cell phone if I was in the old field. CAN YOU SAY POLICE ENTRAPMENT. I own his ass now...

Thank god I have caller I.D. I have officer Coreherst personal cell number. The @#%$ cop with an attitude.

I'm sure to file a complaint Monday with the Mayor's office with other parents about this officer who seems to enjoy his job to much with the general public.

I was told this officer has been on the force for 7 months only...... Hmmmmm he is still on his probationary period... What a shame... This officer was really a dick to the property owner to the parents and I out in the new field. No reason to have that attitude towards parents or kids. He will be written up no doubt.

Funny how his attitude changed when I told him my attorney's number and the Mayor's Office number. Power is nothing with-out control.

The cops have no clue what they are doing. Right now no laws exist to enforce because there aren't any. There are no ordinances or laws broken. Nor has anyone been hurt. Everyone cleans up there own trash and keeps the areas clean.

You would think that when a property owner gives you permission to use his property the way it was intended to be used for you can use it. NOT ACCORDING TO THE THIRD REICH POLICE. When does the police have jurisdiction over an individuals property and how he or she operates on it. WTF

You get thrown off the old field a vacant field lot granted the kids did not have permission to use. OK no problem...

THE NEW FIELD........

I busted my ass on this land owners property cleaning it up for three weeks to have permission to use it so the kids can play on it and still be accosted by the cops. I can't figure this dilema out. You can't win, unless, unless you have NUCLEAR WEAPONS

I plan on doing a presentation in front of Mayor Hitler tomorrow. I also have letters from parents and individual players who are waiting for an answer from the top brass... Yeh like this matters.

The only thing political gestpos understand is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of course. So I will see how this angle comes out. Catch my drift/

If I can't make this happen. I need a venture capitalist fast to build a legal tax paying field because these kids aren't gonna leave town any time soon.

I get over 200 customers a weekend buying merchandise from my shop. Huge gross revenue. I rent out equipment and service markers that need to be repaired.

The Police have just made it difficult for these kids...

Why can't the cops just be friends. Just like mike

I offered the cops to play but the Chief Adolph Hitler threatend the individual officers already from playing. Conduct of unbecomming of an officer crap.

I own my own business and have all the time on my side but very little patience dealing with a-holes

If you would like to assist in a minor role with this situation. Please call the City Hall of Coconut Creek 954-973-6770

Ask for Mayor Jim Walden

E-mail for him is at jwaldman@creekgov.net

SWAT TEAM -vs- Paintballers that is to funny but scary.

I can be reached at 954 - 575 - 5039 directly.


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1 posted on 01/05/2003 1:07:14 PM PST by Sledge
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To: Sledge
are you sure that we can't do more than just this for you.
Good to know that you can USE us.
2 posted on 01/05/2003 1:11:24 PM PST by mc10
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To: Sledge
This begs for a lawsuit. These Ninja wannabe's just can't stop can they. I guess they just don't understand how juvinile and petty this makes them look.
3 posted on 01/05/2003 1:12:39 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Sledge
Actually, I think they should outlaw ALL paintball equipment and public activities -- what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!
4 posted on 01/05/2003 1:24:24 PM PST by jerrymdss
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To: mc10
are you sure that we can't do more than just this for you. Good to know that you can USE us.

I know that my fellow Freepers can move Heaven and Earth if we put our minds to it. Nobody Does it Better.

If the problems escalate more direct action could be required. But for now an e-Freep should suffice. Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

5 posted on 01/05/2003 1:26:42 PM PST by Sledge
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To: Sledge
It'd be more effective if this notice were edited for grammar, spelling, etc.

Drop the name calling and trim it down to just the facts.
6 posted on 01/05/2003 1:29:05 PM PST by cryptical
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To: Sledge
NOT ACCORDING TO THE THIRD REICH POLICE.

Can't play paintball = Holocaust.

7 posted on 01/05/2003 1:29:52 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Sledge
What do these kids think that they are doing? Shouldn't they be in gangs like other city kids? I think that the police have it right. Take away activities like this, get the kids into gangs where they belong. Then spend lots of tax dollars with something like midnight basketball, you know, something that really works.
8 posted on 01/05/2003 1:33:06 PM PST by Colorado Doug
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To: Sledge
FREE THE PAINTBALLERS !!!!!!

PAINTBALLING IS NOT A CRIME !

9 posted on 01/05/2003 1:36:14 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: jerrymdss
" what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!"

What Hell business is it of your what he is teaching his kids?

What are you teaching yours? How to be wussies? Do your young boys play with dolls and put on dresses?
11 posted on 01/05/2003 1:38:44 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Sledge
bump
12 posted on 01/05/2003 1:42:47 PM PST by CONSERVE
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To: Sledge
Following is what I sent to the e-mail address, but I included my full name and town and state:

If what I have been reading is correct, your police department called out a SWAT team with MP5s to stop some people from playing paintball. They actually aimed loaded weapons at people who were playing a game on a lot where they had permission from the property owner to play?

What's going on in Florida, anyway? We lived there for several years, and have always had a soft spot in our hearts for Florida, but this sounds very strange. An explanation would be appreciated.

Carolyn

13 posted on 01/05/2003 1:43:09 PM PST by CDHart
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Its everyone business and respnsibility in these United States to encourage people to exercise use of common sense you moron.
14 posted on 01/05/2003 1:44:22 PM PST by jerrymdss
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To: Sledge; Dog Gone
Sledge,

Ask the police chief and the particular officer involved if they have homesteaded their houses. And give them printouts of the complete stories from the following URL's:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/766018/posts

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021009-68493546.htm

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/1723584

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/marshall/1542463

The Kmart raid by Houston police under the idiot leadership of Captain Aguirre will cost the Houston taxpayers somewhere between $20 million and $100 million.

You also need a lawyer. Say the magic words "42 USC 1988 attorney fee" to him. Police misconduct lawsuits used to be part of my private practice.

15 posted on 01/05/2003 1:48:50 PM PST by Thud
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To: jerrymdss
"...what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!"

Warrior tactics. Part of being a man and taking a man's role in society.

The day is fast coming when you will realize that knowing how to shoot, move and think will be a lifesaving part of education.

Incidents like this just illustrate that fact.

16 posted on 01/05/2003 1:50:24 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: cajun315
ping
17 posted on 01/05/2003 1:51:58 PM PST by sinclair
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To: Sledge
How do the police, LEGALLY, tell a property owner what he can do with his property?
18 posted on 01/05/2003 1:52:22 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Sledge
It sounds like you're having alittle bit of a problem. Something having to do with paintball and police?

Try using some punctuation with a dash of grammar and spell check. Your ranting would be much more effective if you were coherent.

19 posted on 01/05/2003 1:53:07 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: wcbtinman
Oh, please -- that is plain paranoia.

I'd be more concerned of teaching kids to have no respect for laws or the government -- to be above the law and answer to no one. Just like the Islamists. That and the lack of common sense is what will kill a great nation.
20 posted on 01/05/2003 1:55:59 PM PST by jerrymdss
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To: jerrymdss
Its everyone business and respnsibility in these United States to encourage people to exercise use of common sense you moron.

Well, thank God that we've got nosy busybodies like you to tell all of us morons what common sense is and how to exercise it.

Thank you for your input, it has been duly ignored. I hope you feel better for having said it. Now buzz off.

21 posted on 01/05/2003 1:56:47 PM PST by Bob
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To: Sledge
bump
22 posted on 01/05/2003 2:01:33 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: Hatteras; All
The rant was not written by me. It was written by Ryan, an acquainance of mine who sell paintball supplies and who arranged the use of the private property for playing paintball.

I apologize for him if you think he was incoherent. I would guess that he is a little pissed that the SWAT team was sent out to roust a bunch of kids playing paintball.

23 posted on 01/05/2003 2:02:44 PM PST by Sledge
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To: jerrymdss
Actually, I think they should outlaw ALL paintball equipment and public activities -- what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!

You're joking I hope. Kids who play paintball are the most wholesome kids I've seen ---they're outside in the fresh air, they're doing something that isn't very dangerous, they learn to be part of a team and good sportsmanship. No one gets hurt ---except a little bruise now and then.

24 posted on 01/05/2003 2:02:58 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jerrymdss
>> teaching kids to have no respect for laws or the government<<

Cite the law they were breaking please.
25 posted on 01/05/2003 2:04:33 PM PST by SpeakLittle_ThinkMuch
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To: cmsgop
Anyone who thinks paintball is a crime or bad needs to get out there and try it once.
26 posted on 01/05/2003 2:04:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: *bang_list
Bang
27 posted on 01/05/2003 2:06:58 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Thud
This is unbelievable. I hate cops who think they are the law instead of protecting citizens from those who break it.
28 posted on 01/05/2003 2:07:33 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sledge
You should tell your friend to step back and take a deep breath. Inundating a police department with e-mail will be looked upon as extremely childish behavior and will do more damage to his cause than good.

He will be more effective with good legal representation. (Unfortunately)

29 posted on 01/05/2003 2:10:01 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Republic of Texas
How do the police, LEGALLY, tell a property owner what he can do with his property?

To paraphrase an old saying - In the land of paintball markers, the man with the gun is King. While the Police cannot legally tell a property owner what to do with his property if no laws are broken, they do it anyway.

And that is the problem.

30 posted on 01/05/2003 2:10:37 PM PST by Sledge
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To: Sledge
Hmmm... Officer Cherry Judd?

Got a picture?!

31 posted on 01/05/2003 2:12:09 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Sledge
Sorry, but you cought me at precisely the wrong time.

Yesterday, as I was driving between towns, some little paintballer tagged my white truck with a pink paintball. I didn't notice it until I got to the town and stepped out of my truck. It was on the side of the bed.

I am not so upset with the paint ball, because it will wash off, as I am with the callus disregard the young find with other peoples property. He (or she) could have just as easily hit the windshield of my truck, causing me to lose control. Or if my side window was down, hitting me.

Remember a few years ago, when the kid (I believe he was in Singapore) keyed some cars and was caned? Trust me, if I had seen the kid that hit my truck with the paintball, yesterday, caning would have been the least of his problems.

OK, rant over.

You need to get out of Florida and move west, where the range is free, miles and miles of it. They have massive paintball wars in the mountains west of Salt Lake City. I am a big supporter of paintball activities, but responsible paintball activities.
32 posted on 01/05/2003 2:14:38 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: jerrymdss
"Oh please -- that is plain paranoia"

Teaching young boys tactics and how to behave like men is paranoia? What a laugh.

I may be paranoid, but I'm not blind to the coming police state, and then stupid when I'm informed of it.

33 posted on 01/05/2003 2:16:25 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: jerrymdss
Actually, I think they should outlaw ALL paintball equipment and public activities -- what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!

I would be teaching my children how to be physiclally fit, responsible for their actions, how to think under pressure, to observe rules, that there are winners and loosers in games and in life plus they would learn some basic tactics and fighting skills that would improve their chances of survival should they have to defend them selves or their nation, just to name a few educational points.

Glad you asked, Jerry.

34 posted on 01/05/2003 2:16:36 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: jerrymdss
I just got back from playing in a paintball tournament. We had a blast. No injuries or arguments. Just good ol fashioned competitive sport.
35 posted on 01/05/2003 2:16:40 PM PST by Stew Padasso
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To: jerrymdss
Perhaps you might be more comfortable in Canada. Freedom is not free, or tidy. Quit whining and leave already.
36 posted on 01/05/2003 2:16:56 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: jerrymdss
"Actually, I think they should outlaw ALL paintball equipment and public activities -- what the hell are you trying to teach your kids!!!"

I assume by "they" you are referring to "government".

Ah, yes, let's pass some more laws restricting freedom in the name of ... well you said "parents teaching kids".

I don't care for the paintball thing myself but I darned sure don't want government passing more laws restricting even more of our freedoms.

As conservatives we claim we want people to be responsible for their own actions and consequences and then we want "government" to pass more laws restricting actions?

It seems as if we have "gone around the bend" and want the government to solve all our woes.

37 posted on 01/05/2003 2:17:40 PM PST by ImpBill
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To: jerrymdss
"Just like the Islamists."

Paintball = terrorism?

Oh please, that is just plain stupid and paranoid.
38 posted on 01/05/2003 2:19:18 PM PST by Stew Padasso
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To: Sledge
"Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a bad idea."
39 posted on 01/05/2003 2:24:32 PM PST by jcparks
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To: jerrymdss
On private property, a person should have no respect for any "authority" attempting to prevent lawful activity. Don't be such a wuss.
40 posted on 01/05/2003 2:39:14 PM PST by kaboom
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To: jerrymdss
"Actually, I think they should outlaw ALL paintball equipment and public activities "

On what grounds?

There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with kids playing paintball. The very first lesson they will pick up, is that combat is not a video game. Getting shot hurts and making moves like you see on TV requires some physical exertion.

This is a sport people participate in voluntarily and it causes no more harm than soccer, football or basketball. If anything, it probably gives kids a very slight taste of what real combat might be like and if you think this is a bad lesson for kids to have, maybe you should strap on some goggles and suit up. You might be surprised what this lesson feels like.

The least you can do is stay the heck out of the way and don't add to the situation by demanding that perfectly lawful activities be made unlawful. We've got enough of that kind of help already.

Cheers,
Lloyd

41 posted on 01/05/2003 3:03:05 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Colorado Doug
"What do these kids think that they are doing? Shouldn't they be in gangs like other city kids? "

Good point Doug. Maybe if some of the anti-paintball crowd would give this a little thought, they might see that kids need an outlet and some kids have rather aggressive natures.

There are few other outlets quite like paintball.

42 posted on 01/05/2003 3:06:09 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: AppyPappy
NOT ACCORDING TO THE THIRD REICH POLICE. Can't play paintball = Holocaust.

Why do you defend the indefensible so often? The cops are wrong, and are acting like goons. They have no right to make these people leave private property at all.

43 posted on 01/05/2003 3:07:50 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Any cop telling a person to leave property while engaged in lawful conduct with the owners permission should be told to get bent. Any use of cops force should be met with 100 times in kind!

Aye. But on your terms, not theirs. Get names and remember faces.

44 posted on 01/05/2003 3:08:26 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: jerrymdss
"I'd be more concerned of teaching kids to have no respect for laws or the government "

Then in cases such as this one, we should work on teaching the cops how to behave in a manner deserving of respect.

Teaching kids to respect authority NO MATTER HOW THAT AUTHORITY IS EXCERCISED is simply raising the next generation of fascists. Blind obedience is not respect for the law.

Cops that abuse their power should be removed from power. period

45 posted on 01/05/2003 3:10:56 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: jerrymdss
"I'd be more concerned of teaching kids to have no respect for laws or the government -- to be above the law and answer to no one. Just like the Islamists...

I'm more concerned about police who have no repect for the laws or our govt.--acting above the law, and answering to no one. Just like this cop. Hell of an example he set.

46 posted on 01/05/2003 3:12:40 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Jhoffa_
More outrage ping...
47 posted on 01/05/2003 3:14:40 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
Provided it's private land, and the paint balls don't leave the private land then frankly, I think the police have no business there.

Just leave them alone to play paint ball for goodness sakes. My gosh, is there such a lack of crime in Miami that the cops don't have better things to do than harass kids playing in a field?

48 posted on 01/05/2003 3:22:29 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: jerrymdss
Get a life will ya. At least Sledge is giving these kids something to do besides become Gang Bangers. We need more things to do for the kids in our communities and people like Sledge are doing something to keep kids off the streets. And the Parents must like what is going on they support it.
49 posted on 01/05/2003 3:25:37 PM PST by Kev-Head
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To: jerrymdss
Are you serious?

Paintball is a great sport. I'm very fit, and a reasonable shot, but I had NO IDEA what a rush it would be to play paintball. Beats FPS games all to hell.

Paintball is one of those things that keeps this country great, and it keeps the JBTs from being too smug about being able to handle any situation - a very good thing!
50 posted on 01/05/2003 3:26:34 PM PST by eno_
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