Anti-Lincoln Gangs of New York

Lew Rockwell ^ | 1/4/02 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

[billbears]

Fewer than 10% of Union soldiers were draftees, compared to nearly half for the Confederates. Also, when their three-year enlistments ended in the summer of 1864, 3/4 of the Union army volunteered to re-enlist for the duration. Rebel armies, on the other hand, started to melt away.

Under the Union draft act men faced the possibility of conscription in July 1863 and in Mar., July, and Dec. 1864. Draft riots ensued, notably in New York in 1863. Of the 249,259 18-to-35-year-old men whose names were drawn, only about 6% served, the rest paying commutation or hiring a substitute--Source: "Historical Times Encyclopedia of the Civil War" Edited by Patricia L. Faust

And while we're at it, perhaps you could tell us about abe's 'volunteer' army in '61, an action mind you which caused several other states that hadn't yet to secede

[Man of the Right]

The riot was an ethnic attack by the Irish against Blacks and local authorities -- draft officials, police, fire fighters, and the militia. It was class oriented only in the sense most Irish were members of the under class and working class. WASPs were represented in all classes.

New York City elected a Republican mayor in Nov., 1862, eight months before the riot. The previous Democrat secessionist mayor, Fernando Wood, had been denied renomination by Tammany. Then as now, WASP blue collar workers voted Republican. Skilled WASP blue collar workers voted overwhelmingly Republican.

[billbears]

I have no doubt that you will find it as 'historically accurate' as DiLusional did

LOL. Well the Sandburg/McPherson brainwashings no longer work on me Non. Hopefully your eyes were opened to at least some of the truth when you saw the movie

[Sam's Army]

Have you consulted with an attorney yet?

You may have excellent grounds to sue Mr. Lincoln posthumously.

Good luck and keep us posted on how it turns out for you.

[Non-Sequitur]

Well the Sandburg/McPherson brainwashings no longer work on me Non.

So instead you and Tommy turn to that well known historian Martin Scorsese. Well, that does explain a lot about Tommy's comlumns.

Hopefully your eyes were opened to at least some of the truth when you saw the movie.

Oh yes, I'm now conviced that all Irish thugs looked like Leonardo DiCaprio and all Irish streetwalkers look like Cameron Diaz.

Seriously, the story line is crap but Daniel Day Lewis is worth the price of admission alone

[pikachu]

And after the NYC draft riots, the Tammany Hall folks got money in the budget to pay the $300 for those unable to secure the money by other means. Thus began the great New Yorker attitude that the governement should pay for eveything.

[WhiskeyPapa]

If Lincoln was so unpopular with the troops "forced" into the Union Army, why is it that the Union troops were given leave to go home in 1864 to vote and voted for Lincoln in overwhelming numbers?

Bears repeating.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

lincoln did not have a contract with the people to do what he did. They did not give him permission to go to war against the South.

Yes, they did. Lincoln's initial call in April, 1861 for 75,000 volunteers was met to overflowing. --That-- call was authorized by the Militia Act of 1792.

Only 6% of Union soldiers were produced by the draft. Between 1/4 and 1/3 of CSA soldiers were drafted; in fact, the so-called CSA government extended the enlistments of most of the insurgent army involuntarily. This is one of the reasons the rebel army was rent by desertions later on.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

In his memoirs of his time with Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia entitled Three Months in the Southern States...

Fremantle also predicted an inevitable rebel victory.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Hundreds of unarmed draft protesters, including women and children, are gunned down and are shown laying dead in the streets.

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy.

What were all these dead people laying?

Their bodies were probably lying in the streets.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Seriously, the story line is crap but Daniel Day Lewis is worth the price of admission alone

For some reason, Day-Lewis hasn't made a movie since 1997. I hope to see "Gangs" this week.

Walt

[afz400]

Lincoln was the ultimate racist - he wanted to return all slaves to Africa and replace them with new (white) Irish immigrants who could work the newly invented agricultural machinery, which he felt the blacks were incapable of. He also wanted to kill off the Indians who were brazen enough to expect the US to honor their treaties with them. No one exactly forced him to order the deaths of thousands of Americans in battle, either. He WAS evil.

[Non-Sequitur]

Lincoln was the ultimate racist - he wanted to return all slaves to Africa and replace them with new (white) Irish immigrants who could work the newly invented agricultural machinery, which he felt the blacks were incapable of.

And, pray tell, just what newly invented agricultural machinery was that? And why just the Irish? Why not the French, Germans, and Italians, too? Oh my God, could it be that Lincoln was even more racist that we thought????? Well, it's a damned good thing that the south had that bastion of tolerance, Jefferson Davis, running the show. All he wanted to do with Blacks was own them.

[afz400]

"Yeah. But we beat 'em. Had to burn a few houses down though. Too bad. Yawn."
Not a big yawn. Sherman took 60,000 troops and attacked 10,000 mainly under-age Southern kids with no weapons to speak of. And then he disgraced Jesus' birth by presenting Savannah to Lincoln as a "Christmas gift". What a an a-hole he was. And you're one for thinking he was anything but a POS.

[drjimmy]

This article is naive.
No, but it is intended to fool the naive.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Lincoln was the ultimate racist - he wanted to return all slaves to Africa and replace them with new (white) Irish immigrants who could work the newly invented agricultural machinery, which he felt the blacks were incapable of. He also wanted to kill off the Indians who were brazen enough to expect the US to honor their treaties with them. No one exactly forced him to order the deaths of thousands of Americans in battle, either. He WAS evil.

None of that is supported in the record.

President Lincoln did support relocation schemes during 1862. He -never- suggested that anyone be forced out of the country. He wanted to get the shooting stopped. When neither white nor black would agree to relocation or emancipated compensation, he quickly swung to the other tack and vigorously supported enlisting large numbers of black soldiers. President Lincoln dropped support for colonization after the beginning of 1863. He supported voting rights for black soldiers also.

Lincoln dealt equitably with the indians. In the 1862 Minnesota indian uprisings, he forbade the hanging of 260 indians (out of 303) that federal authorities had already marked for death.

Abraham Lincoln was a great and good man, and his reputation can stand attacks from ignoramouses like you.

Walt

[Sam's Army]

"What a an a-hole he was. And you're one for thinking he was anything but a POS."

I can't believe how much this issue affects people who never had to live thru it. (No, Civil War reenactments don't count).

Maybe you could sue Lincoln as well.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Not a big yawn. Sherman took 60,000 troops and attacked 10,000 mainly under-age Southern kids with no weapons to speak of.

Where was Hood's army? Where were the other rebel armies? Allowing armies of 60,000 to roam around and plunder -- that sounds like bad plannning by the secesh to me.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Lincoln was the ultimate racist - he wanted to return all slaves to Africa and replace them with new (white) Irish immigrants who could work the newly invented agricultural machinery, which he felt the blacks were incapable of.

In discussions with General Grant in the fall of 1864, Robert E. Lee refused to treat captured black Union soldiers as prisoners of war. Sounds to me like he was more racist than President Lincoln.

Walt