Anti-Lincoln Gangs of New York

That is an interesting quote. My only contention is that however the legislatures decide (lottery, fistfight, duel would all be constitutional as far as I understand) to appoint the Electors those Electors must hold an Election to decide who to vote for. Even a three person Election. That is why the Electors are called Electors.

Yet another Gangs of New York ping!

... to appoint the Electors those Electors must hold an Election to decide who to vote for.

Sorry for the delay. I do agree that according to the Constitution Presidential electors must be chosen, and that they must meet on a given day to cast their ballots for the new chief executive. But nowhere is there a constutitional requirement that the electors "choose" from a collective pool of candidates. Some might consider this to be some deep, dark conspiracy with some sinister purpose, but it is what the founders gave us - the electors are free to choose whomever they so desire - as directed by their respective state constitutions and laws.

That is correct. I have no argument with that and is the reason I am concentrating my presidential campaign on contacting the Electors and convincing them to vote for me.

Still looking for a running mate. Maybe we could be a fusion ticket. Like the Union party in 1864?

Still looking for a running mate. Maybe we could be a fusion ticket. Like the Union party in 1864?

What's your platform? ;o)

I promise to take the U.S. Constitution seriously and return
to government based upon it.

I promise to take the U.S. Constitution seriously and return to government based upon it.

Obviously so would I. With an extremely heavy reliance on the 9th & 10th Amendments, and the separation of powers. If you truly wish to return us to our Constitutional roots, then I for one would vote for you.

"New York should secede!" "New York should secede!"

America should only be so lucky.

"Yeah. But we beat 'em. Had to burn a few houses down though. Too bad. Yawn." Not a big yawn. Sherman took 60,000 troops and attacked 10,000 mainly under-age Southern kids with no weapons to speak of. And then he disgraced Jesus' birth by presenting Savannah to Lincoln as a "Christmas gift". What a an a-hole he was. And you're one for thinking he was anything but a POS.

Consider this:

"Sir:

"I have the honor to report that I was with the command of Brevet Major- General Burbridge in the attack on Saltville, Va., October 2, 1864, and that I was left with the wounded and was captured October 3, and paroled by Major-General Breckinridge."

"I would state that on Monday morning, October 3, there came to our field hospital several armed men, as I believe soldiers in the Confederate service, and took 5 men, privates, wounded (negroes), and shot them."

"I would further state that on Friday evening, October 7, at Emory and Henry College Hospital, Washington County, Va., to which place our wounded had been removed, several armed men entered the said hospital about 10 p.m. and went up into the rooms occupied by the Federal wounded prisoners, and shot 2 of them (negroes) dead in their beds."

"I would further state that on Saturday, October 8, at Emory and Henry College Hospital, several armed men wearing the Confederate uniform, and, as I believe, soldiers in the Confederate service, entered the same hospital about 4 p.m., overpowered the guard that had been placed there by the surgeon in charge, and went up into the rooms occupied by the Federal wounded prisoners, and shot Lieut. E. C. Smith, Thirteenth Regiment Kentucky Cavalry, dead in his bed, where he lay severely wounded. They at the same time called out for the other Federal officers confined there, particularly Colonel Hanson, Thirty- Seventh Regiment Kentucky Volunteers, and Captain Degenfeld, Twelfth Ohio Cavalry, swearing that they intended to kill all of them; and I believe that they were only prevented doing so by the exertions of Surgeon Murfree, the surgeon in charge, the steward, Mr. Acres, and the other attendants of the hospital. I would also further state that Surgeon Murfree, the other surgeons, and the hospital attendants did all in their power, even at the risk of their lives, to prevent the perpetration of these outrages; and that they assisted in removing Colonel Hanson and Captain Degenfeld, as well as myself, to a place of safety."

"I would further state that we left about 70 of our wounded prisoners in the said hospital, and that I have been informed that these outrages have been perpetuated on them since we left there."

"Respectfully, your obedient servant, WM. H. GARDNER, Surgeon, Thirtieth Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry"

[Source: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, Series I, Vol. XXXIX, Part I, pp. 554-555.]

"Upon the capture of Plymouth by the rebel forces all the negroes found in blue uniform, or with any outward signs of a Union soldier upon him, was killed. I saw some taken into the woods and hung. Others I saw stripped of all their clothing and then stood upon the bank of the river with their faces riverward and there they were shot. Still others were killed by having their brains beaten out by the butt end of the muskets in the hands of the rebels. All were not killed the day of the capture. Those that were not were placed in a room with their officers, they (the officers) having previously been dragged through the town with ropes around their necks, where they were kept confined until the following morning, when the remainder of the black soldiers were killed."

"The regiments most conspicuous in these murderous transactions were the Eighth North Carolina and, I think, the Sixth North Carolina."

"SAMUEL (his x mark) JOHNSON. Witnessed by John L. Davenport, lieutenant and acting aide-de-camp. Sworn and subscribed to before me this 11th day of July, 1864. John Cassels, Captain and Provost- Marshal."

[Source: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, Series II, Vol. VII, pp. 459-460.]

Over 100 Union POW's were murdered at Saltville.

2-300 were murdered at Fort Pillow, TN in April, 1864.

A large number of Union POW's were murdered at Poison Springs, AR.

General Pickett hanged 22 loyal North Carolinians.

Forty loyal Texans were hanged at Gainesville, TX in October, 1862.

There are no parallel acts on the Union side.

In fact, consider:

"It was to Lincoln's credit that early in 1862, when General McClellan was about to advance upon Richmond and hopes of an early victory ran high, he ordered that all political prisoners in military custody be released upon parole and granted an amnesty for past offenses. Extraordinary arrests by the military authorities would continue: all spies, secret agents, and conspirators whom the secretary of war regarded as dangerous to the public safety would be taken up and kept in custody. But the old slate was wiped clean. And it was to Stanton's credit that he adopted a sensible course for sifting the great body of prisoners held on various charges, and releasing most of them. He appointed John A. Dix and Edwards Pierrepont as commissioners to examine those held in the New York area and render a quick verdict. Visiting Fort Lafayette and other prisons, by April 1862 they had practically finished their work. The judge advocate of the army for the Washington area was empowered to dispose of prisoners arrested in the Federal District and adjacent Virginia. Governor David Tod of Ohio was authorized to use a special agent to investigate cases, with a promise that any prisoner would be released on his recommendation."

There was quite a difference in the way the US and the so-called CSA conducted their affairs. It's probably no surprise that Robert E. Lee said that slavery had a worse effect on whites than blacks.

Walt