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Knights Templar to use latest imaging in search for Grail
New Zealand Herald ^ | 01/06/03 | The Independent (?)

Posted on 01/06/2003 2:11:30 PM PST by mgstarr

For centuries the intricately carved stones of Rosslyn Chapel near Edinburgh have tantalised historians, archaeologists and devoted Christians.

A labyrinth of vaults beneath the 15th-century home of the Knights Templar is reputed to contain dozens of holy relics, including early gospels, the Ark of the Covenant, the fabled Holy Grail - and even the mummified head of Christ.

More than 550 years after the first foundation stones were laid, modern technology is about to put the legend to the test.

A group of Knights Templar, successors to the warrior monks who sought asylum from the Pope by fleeing to Scotland in the early 14th century and fought for Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn, are to make a "non-invasive" survey of the land around the chapel.

They will use the latest ultrasound and thermal imaging technology in the hope of finding evidence of the existence of the vaults.

"The plan is to investigate the land around the chapel to a depth of at least 20ft," said John Ritchie, Grand Herald and spokesman for the Knights Templar.

"The machine we are using is the most sophisticated anywhere and is capable of taking readings from the ground up to a mile deep without disturbing any of the land.

"We know many of the Knights are buried in the grounds and there are many references to buried vaults, which we hope this project will finally uncover."Rosslyn Chapel, or the Collegiate Chapel of St Matthew as it was to have been, was founded in 1446 by Sir William St Clair, third and last Prince of Orkney.

Built as a celebration of Christ, it is also a monument to craftsmanship.

Bristling with flying buttresses and gargoyles in the highest Gothic style on the outside, the interior is carved with scenes from the Bible, the fall of man, the expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the birth of Christ, the crucifixion and the resurrection.

"Rosslyn is an amazing building.

(Excerpt) Read more at nzherald.co.nz ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 01/06/2003 2:11:30 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: mgstarr

Someone send a swallow to fetch these guys...

2 posted on 01/06/2003 2:13:59 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: mgstarr
A labyrinth of vaults . . . is reputed to contain . . . even the mummified head of Christ.

BZZZ!!! Sorry! Wrong answer. It's not there--or in any other vault or tomb.

He is risen.

3 posted on 01/06/2003 2:15:42 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: mgstarr
and even the mummified head of Christ.

Actually, all the legends I've ever heard have referred to the mummified head of John the Baptist, who allegedly really was beheaded, rather than Christ who died on the cross and lives again.

But, hey, if they're going to fantasize about an ancient cult that has little more historical basis than the last Indiana Jones movie, they might as well toss some blasphemy in there too.

4 posted on 01/06/2003 2:17:10 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: mgstarr
early gospels, the Ark of the Covenant, the fabled Holy Grail - and even the mummified head of Christ.

Baphomet, John, the other Christ. Maybe the True Cross is down there, too.

5 posted on 01/06/2003 2:17:33 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: dirtboy
An African or European swallow?
6 posted on 01/06/2003 2:18:23 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: dirtboy

"What . . . is your quest?"

7 posted on 01/06/2003 2:20:02 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: mgstarr
An African or European swallow?

A Monica Swallow ... oops, that's right, she didn't...

8 posted on 01/06/2003 2:21:30 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Charles Henrickson
Beat me to it. (Whadaya expect from those wacky Freemasons?)
9 posted on 01/06/2003 2:22:28 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: mgstarr
An African or European swallow? Wha...I don't know. Aaaaaauuuugggghhh!
10 posted on 01/06/2003 2:23:46 PM PST by mg39
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To: mgstarr
The Knights, of course, knew all about America and some say the Grail is actually in Nova Scotia. [No, Virginia, not in the Money Pit, but isn't that a THOUGHT!] They had a sort of fort in the interior there...

Some also say the Grail is actually not just a silver cup, but some technological miracle device...

11 posted on 01/06/2003 2:26:46 PM PST by crystalk
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To: FateAmenableToChange
But, hey, if they're going to fantasize about an ancient cult that has little more historical basis than the last Indiana Jones movie, they might as well toss some blasphemy in there too.

The Templars aren't at all fictitious. Over the last millennium, they evolved into what we now call Freemasons. (Before y'all flame me, my daddy's a Mason, and I was a Rainbow Girl; this isn't anti-Masonic bigotry, but cultural history.)

Founded in the late 1100s by what-would-become-French nobles to protect travelers on pilgrimage to the Holy Land, they outgrew their mission and became a mercenary army. They're credited with developing the credit system; they acted as bankers to the newborn European powers.

Eventually, as all non-monarchical powers, they were deemed a threat by the French monarchy, and Philippe le Bel had the Order suppressed in the 1300s, burning alive Jacques DeMolay, the head of the Order in France. (That's where the Order of DeMolay comes from today.)

I refer you to the fascinating Holy Blood, Holy Grail (authors: Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln) for more info.

I do concede that much non-historical ink has been spilt on behalf of (or in repudiation of) the Templars, but they did in fact exist.
12 posted on 01/06/2003 2:28:56 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: RightWhale
"Baphomet," is just the reverse-letter Hebrew code for "Sophia," Greek goddess of wisdom, opposed along with all Gnosticism by the mystic Templars, who BTW wanted to rebuild the Temple, so they would agree with me when I say:

MR SHARON, TEAR DOWN THOSE MOSQUES on Temple Mt.!!!

13 posted on 01/06/2003 2:29:28 PM PST by crystalk
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To: blam; vannrox
Ping!
14 posted on 01/06/2003 2:31:14 PM PST by abner
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To: mgstarr

15 posted on 01/06/2003 2:31:41 PM PST by Rudder
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To: blam
Ping :)
16 posted on 01/06/2003 2:31:57 PM PST by Diana Rose
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To: Xenalyte
the Templars, but they did in fact exist

By Papal commission. Headquarters -- Dome of the Rock, Jerusalem.

17 posted on 01/06/2003 2:32:08 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: mgstarr
Thats silly. Everyone knows that the Ark is Ethiopia and that the Grail was lost in France. Sheesh!
18 posted on 01/06/2003 2:33:37 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: crystalk
TEAR DOWN THOSE MOSQUES on Temple Mt.!!!

We ought to apply our Crusading enthusiasm to more productive ends. Some acceptance of coexistence might be a plus.

19 posted on 01/06/2003 2:35:19 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Xenalyte
Baigent's book also maintains that:

(1) Christ was never crucified for our sins.

(2) Christ never rose from the dead.

(3) That Christ got married and had children and that his direct-line descendants are alive today and live in southern France.

In short, Christians should steer clear of Baigent's ridiculous, ahistorical, made-up fantasyland of a book and stick to Scripture and reputable historians.

20 posted on 01/06/2003 2:38:02 PM PST by wideawake
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To: RightWhale
Not where Muslims are concerned!
21 posted on 01/06/2003 2:38:37 PM PST by crystalk
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To: mgstarr
I wonder if they have any have nice shrubbery around the chapel.....


22 posted on 01/06/2003 2:40:09 PM PST by machman
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To: mgstarr
What part of "metaphor" don't these people understand?
23 posted on 01/06/2003 2:42:01 PM PST by Wormwood
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To: RightWhale
Some acceptance of coexistence might be a plus.

Really think so? Tell that to Osama and Mullah Omar.

24 posted on 01/06/2003 2:42:49 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Xenalyte
Holy Blood is not a book anyone should read. It is insanity.
25 posted on 01/06/2003 2:43:10 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: mgstarr
It's in here...


26 posted on 01/06/2003 2:43:55 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: Charles Henrickson
BZZZ!!! Sorry! Wrong answer. It's not there--or in any other vault or tomb.

He is risen.

Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies. Get over it.

27 posted on 01/06/2003 2:44:45 PM PST by winner45
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To: machman
I'd prefer a closer inspection of the Castle Anthrax myself...


28 posted on 01/06/2003 2:47:22 PM PST by mgstarr
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29 posted on 01/06/2003 2:47:55 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: rwfromkansas; wideawake
My faith is strong, and reading questionable material doesn't weaken it - just like hearing Tom Daschle talk doesn't make me believe him.

Insanity it may be to you, but if it makes someone think about his faith (and perhaps strengthen it, as happened to me), to that extent it's worth it.
30 posted on 01/06/2003 2:48:43 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: winner45
Total Crock Alert

Thanks for your compelling rebuttal.

31 posted on 01/06/2003 2:49:31 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: winner45; Charles Henrickson; rwfromkansas; Jerry_M; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies. Get over it. ~winner45 Woody.
32 posted on 01/06/2003 2:51:37 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: winner45
Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies.

Whatever. Islam is a murder cult. Christ and Christianity is the bedrock of Western Civilization.

33 posted on 01/06/2003 2:51:40 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: crystalk
Not where Muslims are concerned!

Why not?

34 posted on 01/06/2003 2:51:57 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Xenalyte
It'd probably be more accurate if you were to say that the Templars were one of the elements that may have been involved in the evolution of Freemasonry. There is some pretty good evidence that the institution of Feremasonry can be traced to the second king of ancient Rome, Numa Pompilus. [And I will have been a Feemason for 50 years in April.]
35 posted on 01/06/2003 2:53:59 PM PST by curmudgeonII
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To: My2Cents
Petra?
36 posted on 01/06/2003 2:56:06 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Really think so?

Would be good for Mullah Omar, too. It's a losing game, the Crusading Jihad.

37 posted on 01/06/2003 2:56:25 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: curmudgeonII
What you said - I'd already said more than most people care to read. You York or Scottish?
38 posted on 01/06/2003 2:56:26 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: Xenalyte; rwfromkansas
My faith is strong, and reading questionable material doesn't weaken it - just like hearing Tom Daschle talk doesn't make me believe him. ~ Xenalyte Woody.
39 posted on 01/06/2003 2:57:02 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: mgstarr
I would just like to know if there are vaults and what if anything are in them sans controversial relics.
40 posted on 01/06/2003 2:57:52 PM PST by Diana Rose
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To: Charles Henrickson
BZZZ!!! Sorry! Wrong answer. It's not there--or in any other vault or tomb.

But thanks for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you. Why don't you tell him what he's won, Bob...

41 posted on 01/06/2003 2:59:14 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: wideawake
Baigent's book also maintains that:

(1) Christ was never crucified for our sins.

(2) Christ never rose from the dead.

(3) That Christ got married and had children and that his direct-line descendants are alive today and live in southern France.

In short, Christians should steer clear of Baigent's ridiculous, ahistorical, made-up fantasyland of a book and stick to Scripture and reputable historians.


Actually, the book doesn't MAINTAIN anything at all. Baigent et al are very careful about hedging their bets; they explicitly state that their theory is utterly unprovable, and they claim to make no statements of fact. They present it as an intriguing what-if, and historical mysteries (whether fantastic like this, or provable like the fate of the Princes in the Tower) fascinate me.

BTW, your last statement reminds me of the rationale behind the Vatican's old Banned Books list. (I am aware that the list holds no force today.)
42 posted on 01/06/2003 2:59:49 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: CCWoody
The book does not teach anything. It posits a historical alternative.

Jeez, we're all prickly today, aren't we?
43 posted on 01/06/2003 3:00:32 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: mgstarr
BTTT
44 posted on 01/06/2003 3:00:41 PM PST by Marianne
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To: CCWoody
A) Historians will NEVER say that Christ died for our sins. Deal with it. It'll always be about what he did in life, and getting executed for it. It WON'T be about dying for sins.

B) Historians will NEVER say that Christ was resurrected.

Geeze, do you flip out whenever you see a Discovery Channel special that doesn't mention either of these? Get over it. As far as history is concerned, Christ was just a regular guy who died for political reasons. Unless there's indisputable proof that he was resurrected (And face it, there isn't. Why else is it called "Faith"?), then no serious historian will ever claim that he was resurrected.
45 posted on 01/06/2003 3:01:34 PM PST by Green Knight
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To: Xenalyte
Yes... they existed and took the Holy Grail to France.

Whoever has it now is unknown.

Hitler coveted the spearhead of Longinus... it pierced the body of Jesus Christ.

When he invaded Austria, that was his first objective.

46 posted on 01/06/2003 3:02:04 PM PST by johnny7
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To: Xenalyte
There are only so many books in the world. If you're looking for knowledge it's best not to waste precious time reading the lunatic speculations of Spanish occultists treated with "respect" as a plausible "theory" on the basis of no evidence.
47 posted on 01/06/2003 3:02:44 PM PST by wideawake
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To: sheik yerbouty
Petra, yes, but it was portrayed as something else in the third Indiana Jones film.
48 posted on 01/06/2003 3:03:29 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: winner45
"Total Crock Alert FYI, your god no more exists than does that of the islamocrazies. Get over it."

I pray that you won't have to be disproven the hard way.

49 posted on 01/06/2003 3:03:29 PM PST by sheltonmac
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It is a blasphemous teaching

Heretical, certainly. Not sure if it is blasphemy, is it contemptuous?

50 posted on 01/06/2003 3:03:40 PM PST by RightWhale
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