Expert: Koran Okays Murder, Enslavement, Wife-Beating

AgapePress ^ | January 6, 2003 | Allie Martin

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An expert on Islam says history proves that regardless of what President Bush or others say, Islam is not a religion of peace.

In his book Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith, Robert Spencer says the facts show Islam is a religion of violence. He cites one instance where Islam's prophet had a direct role in the massacre of 700 people. He explains that the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe in Arabia, fought and lost a battle against Muhammad.

"Muhammad ... had all [700] men killed and the women and children enslaved," Spencer says. "This is actually in accordance with Islamic law as it has been enshrined from that incident on throughout Islamic history."

According to Spencer, the Shariah -- or Islamic legal tradition -- dictates that conquering Muslims have a right to kill, if they choose, the men who fight against them and to enslave the women and children.

Spencer adds that a recent PBS special on Islam ignored many facts about Islam, including the treatment of Muslim women. In fact, he says one organization has documented a disturbing trend.

"Amnesty International estimates that nine out of ten Pakistani wives have been beaten by their husbands," he says. "Of course they can point to the Koran -- and they do -- and say, 'This is what Allah himself says that I should do.'

"So how can Muslims say that that's unacceptable behavior? This is the problem," he says.

Spencer is an adjunct fellow with the Free Congress Foundation.

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Shariah -- or Islamic legal tradition

• Shari'a law^6,7 is the key to understanding Islamic ideology, government, economics, and social institutions. It is the basis for Islamic fundamentalism's disagreement with Western thought, and it encapsulates the ideology of Islam that is found in the Qur'an and Sunnah. Shari'a brings Islamic theology down to a person's everyday life. The objective of Islamic ideology is to have all the people of the world governed by Shari'a law. Muslims believe this law expresses the universal will of Allah for humankind. They think they have an holy obligation to impose it upon all the nations of the world. If Islam Ruled America

 

• On-Line Book DEVELOPMENT OF Muslim Theology, Jurisprudence and Constitutional Theory, By Duncan B. Macdonald, M.A., B.D. Sometime Scholar And Fellow Of The University Of Glasgow; Professor Of Semitic Languages In Hartford Theological Seminary

Spencer adds that a recent PBS special on Islam ignored many facts about Islam, including the treatment of Muslim women. In fact, he says one organization has documented a disturbing trend.

Comments on the PBS special - "Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet"

On 19 Dec, 2002 PBS aired a two hour film on the life of Muhammad. There was noteworthy Islamic funding for this show. The film told the story of Muhammad's life and included most of the important events that affected his life and the lives of his followers. Throughout the film various Muslims or sympathetic academics commented on these events. Muslims from various walks of life spoke highly of Muhammad and presented him in a lustrous light.

However, significant details were omitted or glossed over. This includes many of Muhammad's violent acts. Additionally, many of the comments were inaccurate according to the Islamic source materials. When the film is put to the test, against the real Islamic source materials, it is obvious that this film was nothing more than Islamic evangelism of an ignorant and naïve American public.

PBS, Recruiting for Islam - article by Daniel Pipes

What would be the best way to convert lots of Americans to Islam?

Forget print, go to film. Put together a handsome documentary with an original musical score that presents Islam's prophet Muhammad in the most glowing manner, indeed, as a model of perfection. Round up Muslim and non-Muslim enthusiasts to endorse the nobility and truth of his message. Splice in vignettes of winsome American Muslims testifying to the justice and beauty of their Islamic faith. Then get the U.S. taxpayer to help pay for it.

We Are Going to Conquer America

Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh convicted of planning a "day of rage" by blowing up New York buildings and infrastructure, in 1991 called on Muslims to "conquer the land of the infidels."

A native-born American who converted to Islam and helped fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, proclaimed that "it is the duty of all Muslims to complete the march of jihad [holy war] until we reach America and liberate her."

Siraj Wahaj, the first imam to deliver a Muslim prayer for the U.S. House of Representatives, holds that if Muslims unite, they could elect their own leader as president; "take my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us."

Isma'il Al-Faruqi, the first academic theorist of a United States-made-fundamentalist-Muslim, argued in 1983 that "Nothing could be greater than this youthful, vigorous, and rich continent [of North America] turning away from its past evil and marching forward under the banner of Allahu Akbar [G-d is great]."

Zaid Shakir, formerly the Muslim chaplain at Yale University, believes the Koran "pushes us in the exact opposite direction as the forces ... at work in the American political spectrum" and from this argues that Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing order.

Masudul Alam Choudhury, a Canadian professor of business, matter-of-factly advocates the "Islamization agenda in North America."

Ahmad Nawfal, Jordanian who spoke often at American rallies a few years ago, says that if fundamentalist Muslims stand up, "it will be very easy for us to preside over this world once again."

Shamim A. Siddiqi wrote a book on establishing "Islamic rule" in the United States, with the goal of Muslims creating "a strong lobby in Washington for the promotion of Islam ... in this country as well as elsewhere in the world."

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Islam is the fastest growing religion in America. Today, the number of followers of Islam in the United States has reached 4 to 6 millions. It is a matter of time before Islam will become the religion of the majority. America, then will be labeled an " Islamic country ", ruled by the "Quran" and the "Hadith" or what Muslims call Sharia (The Islamic code of ethics). ISLAM REVIEW

• Extremists on Campus
• Islam is gaining most of its U.S. converts in prisons and on university campuses.

 

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Amazon.com: Books: Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the ...

• About the Author
  Robert Spencer is an adjunct fellow of the Free Congress Foundation and a Board member of the Christian-Islamic Forum. His articles on Islam and a wide variety of other topics have appeared in "Human Events," CNSNews.com, National Review Online, "Chronicles," and "Crisis." He has studied Islam for over twenty years.
• Besides the facts Spencer presents, his citations of the Qur'an; the hadiths, or sayings and deeds of Muhammad; and Islamic authorities across the liberal-to-fundamentalist spectrum verify attitudes and practices that secular Westerners and present-day Jews and Christians don't think of as peaceable, just, or decent. For instance, slavery and polygamy may be waning in Islamic societies, but they aren't disapproved of or banned because the Qur'an and hadiths endorse them.... Ray Olsonm Copyright © American Library Association. All rights reserved
• "Islam Unveiled" evaluates the relationship between Islamic fundamentalism and "mainstream" Islam; the fixation with violence and jihad; the reasons for Muslims' disturbing treatment of women; and devastating effects of Muslim polygamy and Islamic divorce laws. Spencer explores other daunting questions--why the human rights record of Islamic countries is so unrelievedly grim and how the root causes of this record exist in basic Muslim beliefs; why science and high culture died out in the Muslim world--and why this is a root cause of modern Muslim resentment. He evaluates what Muslims learn from the life of Muhammad, the man that Islam hails as the supreme model of human behavior.

 

Rod Dreher on Islam Unveiled by Robert Spencer on National Review ...
I don't know many non-Muslims who believe President Bush's politically necessary but theologically nonsensical proclamation that, "Islam means peace." But there are many more who take comfort in the belief that the threat to America comes not from Islam itself, but from an extremist form of the religion espoused by terrorists and their small but vocal band of supporters. That's certainly the line taken by the mainstream media, who seem so afraid of sparking American bigotry against Muslim citizens that they have largely resisted critical analysis of Islamic writings, practice, and history.

...Warns Spencer, "The culture of tolerance threatens to render the West incapable of drawing reasonable distinctions. The general reluctance to criticize any non-Christian religion and the almost universal public ignorance about Islam make for a lethal mix."

Undeniably, Christians have in the past committed many despicable acts in the name of God, but they did so in violation of scriptural teaching, not in fulfillment of it, as in Islam.

...Unlike in Christianity, there is no scriptural mandate for separation of church and state in Islam, making secular democracy an alien and hostile concept.

...While Muslims in the West live in peace, prosperity and religious liberty, Christians and other non-Muslims are persecuted, sometimes unto death, throughout the Muslim world today. Turkey is the only Muslim country that could be called democratic, and that's a stretch; its example shows that secularist values can only be imposed on Islamic societies by force, and will therefore remain tenuous. Because Islam demands death for heretics, moderate Muslims will always risk their lives by offering more liberal interpretations of their faith.

...Islam cannot be other than a religion of violence. "Of course, most Muslims will never be terrorists. The problem is that for all its schisms, sects, and multiplicity of voices, Islam's violent elements are rooted in its central texts," Spencer writes. His final verdict on Islam is sobering, particularly when one considers the rapidly increasing Islamic presence in Europe, [ Islam's Immigrant Invasion of Europe: What sense is there in respecting those who don't respect us? ] the cradle of Western civilization: "It would be too pessimistic to say that there are no peaceful strains of Islam, but it would be imprudent to ignore the fact that deeply imbedded in the central documents of the religion is an all-encompassing vision of a theocratic state that is fundamentally different from and opposed to the post-Enlightenment Christian values of the West."

To be sure, Spencer's despairing view is not shared by many scholars, even one as reliably critical of radical Islam as Daniel Pipes. In his recent Militant Islam Reaches America, Pipes emphatically denies that radical Islam is the same thing as traditional Islam. He insists that drawing the distinction and encouraging moderates within Islamic societies is an imperative for the West, though he offers scant evidence for this conclusion. And he admits that Muslim moderates are "weak, divided, intimidated and generally ineffectual. Indeed, the prospects for Muslim revitalization have rarely looked dimmer than at this moment... ." One gets the feeling that Pipes would rather light a candle for the unlikely hope of a peaceful revolution within Islam, not because the alternative - one-sixth of humanity, many of whom are already living among us, as implacable enemy of the West - is unrealistic, but because it is unthinkable.

...If Islam Unveiled, which is published by Encounter Books, Peter Collier's imprint, becomes the bestseller it deserves to be, it will be through talk radio and word of mouth by Americans who believe that post-9/11, America cannot afford the moral disarmament of indulging in multicultural platitudes.

...until we hear from this supposed vast silent majority of peace-loving Muslims, the answers Spencer gives go a long way to explain the hatred, violence, backwardness, and fanaticism endemic to the Islamic world.

 FOXNews.com

WASHINGTON — President Bush characterized Islam as a peaceful faith Wednesday, seeking to distance himself from controversial remarks by conservative Christian leaders Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

[Autodidactic]

Religion of peace bump!

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PEACELAM - Live short & terrorize.

[duckman]

Shocked! I mean really and truly shocked I say.

[Digger]

"Amnesty International estimates that nine out of ten Pakistani wives have been beaten by their husbands," he says. "Of course they can point to the Koran -- and they do -- and say, 'This is what Allah himself says that I should do.

Little Patty ought to like this. Now we know who's using the hospitals OBL built.

[joesnuffy]

You say it ...like this is a bad thing....
Old arab proverb: "Beat your wife...everyday..
For even if you do not know the reason why
She Does!"

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You omitted the ATHEIST god:

The Real Murderers: Atheism or Christianity?

The Holocaust and evolution

The New State Religion: Atheism

Your other concerns addressed in detail here:Answering Islam

[aimhigh]

You forgot to ask which God forgives and loves the most. Allah only destroys. Jesus saves, forgives and loves his enemies.

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Authors Most Frequently Cited By the Founders of the United States

The following chart enumerates European and Biblical contributions to the founders' political thought. These are the people and sources that the founders quoted most often. The political literature included in this study was literature written by the founders of the United States between 1760 and 1805 (approximately one third of the significant secular literature and about ten percent of the significant sermons).

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Source: Donald S. Lutz, "The Relative Importance of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought," American Political Science Review 189 (1984), 189-97.

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	Frequency of Citation
Rank	Author	Percentage
1	St. Paul (Biblical)	9.00%

[AndyTheBear]

There is a difference between old and new Testament for Christianity. Christianity as it exists today is based more on the love your enemy and turn the other cheek philosophy.

The natural human condition outside of civilization is the tyranny of tribal warlords. It exists in much of Africa, much of the Middle East, much of Asia, and even in some bad inner city neighborhoods in our country. A lot of these warlords use the religion of Islam as an effective tool. Very few find any other religion to be better suited for their purposes.

[goose1]

Me too ,honey bring me my Koran.

[hope]

When I was in the hospital delivering our first child the room next store was occupied by a muslim couple from Iran. Believe me, that is no place for an American women to be in labor the first time. The screams were blood curdling for hours! My nurse said the wife was not allowed to even have an asprin because her husband forbid it. And my husband will never again make a joke about how they have their women trained!

[ZULU]

Compare the two figures - one a poor wandering preacher, born in a stable, who worked miracles and asked people to turn the other cheek to their enemies and to forgive those who hated them. A man who forgave his executioners as he was dying on the cross and whose only legacy was his exemplary life, teachings and a homespun robe. A man who said his kingdom was not of this earth and urged his followers not to resist those who were arresting him, but to store up their wealth in heaven.

The other - a rich jigolo of a merchant, killer and bandit who enslaved other human beings, married pre-pubescent females, approved of slavery, killing, and wife beating, and allegedly wrote a book which urges his followers to conquer the world, oppress the non-believers and kill or enslave those who refuse his "religion". A man whose political legacy is a myriad of tribal states whose modern contribution to the world is violence, political instability, tyranny, terror, third world poverty, widespread ignorance, intolerance and hate.

You must be a Muslim yourself or an atheist who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Have a nice day!!

[RightWhale]

Such anti-Islam tracts have been popular since the Middle Ages. Little has changed amongst the Crusaders.

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The Crusades

The only example of a Christian fighting in the New Testament is the apostle Peter when he drew his sword to protect Jesus from the Roman soldiers. Jesus told him to put the sword away. Then He said, "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" The kingdom that Jesus had established would not be built on the blood of the unbeliever, but on the shed blood of the Lamb of God.

The Crusader's actions should be defended using Augustine's "just war" language rather than a holy war vocabulary. Although they did not always live up to the dictates of "just war" ideals, such as the immunity of noncombatants, the Crusades were a last resort defensive war that sought peace for its people who had been under constant assault for many years.

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And my husband will never again make a joke about how they have their women trained!

Zennah Ministries, Inc.

There are over 10,000 Christian women that marry Muslim men recorded each year here in the US….

Here is what they are Falling for...

"If a woman offered one of their breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back."

"If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband’s nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfill his rights over her".

[Centurion2000]

Breaking news: Experts catching up with FR.

[Centurion2000]

Holy crap that's harsh.

[RightWhale]

the Crusades were a last resort defensive war that sought peace for its people who had been under constant assault for many years

Some think so, and some had what might be agreed as the Christian ideal. The Byzantines had been in settled peace with their new neighbors for a substantial time and didn't ask for rescuing. The Crusaders initially and ultimately upset the peace and weren't appreciated as saving either the Holy Land or anything else. Eventually, -- it didn't take long-- the Crusaders destroyed Byzantium and themselves. Many motives, not all the Christian ideal, some just simple territorial ambition or nationalism.

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Breaking news: Experts catching up with confirming FR.

[ZULU]

"Some think so, and some had what might be agreed as the Christian ideal. The Byzantines had been in settled peace with their new neighbors for a substantial time and didn't ask for rescuing."

Go back and read your history. The Byzantines had actually requested western assistance against the Seljuk Turks who had turned into the new Islamic terrors of Anatolia and Palestine. They hoped to use the Franks as tools to allow them to reconquer the still substantially Christian cities of the Holy Land from their Turkish Islamic enslavers.

Unfortunately, the Crusaders allowed one of the merchant trading cities of northern Italy to change their religious goal into the temporal one of conquering Byzantium, weakening it so it finally fell to the Muslim invaders a few centuries later.

[ZULU]

The Crusaders were certainly not the kind of people Christ would have approved of.

On the other hand, I would have no problem emulating them - but then I'm a very bad Christian.

[ZULU]

Even less has changed among Muslims, and that for the worse.

[RightWhale]

conquering Byzantium

Crusaders eventually sacked Constinople, installed a Latin ruler. It was the biggest sack of a city in history. The Latin ruler even sold some relics and icons to the Franks, crown of thorns, piece of the spear, the sponge, the robe, the shroud, piece of the True Cross, and those went to Europe. Some help the Crusaders were.

[Bobby777]

The Koran on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Christ, the Gospel, The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8: 12

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." - Koran, 5:33-34)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37

The God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son

"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!" - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it "Be" and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3

[MrsEmmaPeel]

If a woman offered one of their breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted ... If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband’s nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, ...

Say what??????

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The right to desert her sexually. And to beat her to correct any rebelliousness in her behavior. The wife beating issue is just another attempt by Muslim apologists to white wash Islam in the West. The following come from their Hadith and it amazes me that modern scholars are trying to alter the meaning of these and getting away with it. Maybe the staunch Muslim scholars don't mind as long as it brings in converts ...
The Prophet said:
"When one of you inflicts a beating, he should avoid striking the face."

[Petronski]

Dude, do you have a ping list?

[Mr. Mojo]

Robert Spencer says the facts show Islam is a religion of violence.

Can he say, "fatwa"?

[Centurion2000]

Ok, if Christianity is so bad ... show me the Christian suicide bombers. Show me the Christian terrorists. Show me the Christian militants that have murdered thousands in the last 20 years. Show us the recent Christian religious proclamations that demand the DEATH of millions.

You are so full of crap it's unbelieveable.

[MrsEmmaPeel]

to beat her to correct any rebelliousness in her behavior. ...

Yeah, like that's going to work! Fortunately, Mr. Peel is too well trained to even be interested in such nonsense!

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What Is A Religion?

• By definition a religion is a worldview that tells us what to believe and how to live. It is composed of ideas, doctrines, and values, morals. A religion wants us to accept certain ideas as the True explanation of all that is. Intellectual assent to these ideas is what constitutes "faith." But a religion not only wants our intellectual assent that certain ideas or concepts are true, but it also wants us to obey a list of commands and prohibitions. In other words, a religion expects us to obey its laws and observe its rites and rituals.

[justshutupandtakeit]

That is some confused compilation you have there. It downplays the actions of the Moslemaniacs and exaggerates those of biblical characters some of whom you confuse with Christians.

There was nothing in the Bible regarding violence which the Moslemanatics repudiate only the calls for Love.

To this day the excessive violence of Islame is clearly shown to those who care to see. Where are Christians murdering Moslems or attacking mosques or hospitals? Where are Moslems attacking Christians, Churches and hospitals? India, Indonesia, Phillipines, Eygpt, Tunisia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Somolia, Kosovo, Russia, Malaysia, just for starters. But it is soo convenient to ignore that in your attempt to equate Good and Evil. However, too many around here know the true history or this ridiculous excuse for a religion. A step back in religious evolution for sure.

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no "atheist god."

(Psalm 14:1) - "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."

Atheism is the metaphorical god of the godless.

[RightWhale]

Even less has changed among Muslims, and that for the worse.

It appears the madrassas are starting to bear fruit. Poison grapes. Madrassas are doing them no good at all, and may end up destroying the religion itself.

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APPLY THESE

universally accepted defintions

a·the·ism

n 1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God

doc·trine

A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.

met·a·phor

One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol

con·text

The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

TO POST #8, INCLUDING THE LINKS (FOR CONTEXT)

[Petronski]

With the emphasis on metaphor.

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Four Models of Western Religious Thought

	Secular Humanism	Marxism- Leninism	Cosmic Humanism	Biblical Christianity
Source	Humanist Manifesto I & II	Writings of Marx and Lenin	Writings of Spangler, Ferguson, etc	Bible
Theology	Atheism	Atheism	Pantheism	Theism
Philosophy	Naturalism	Dialectical Materialism	Non-Naturalism	Supernaturalism
Ethics	Ethical Relativism	Proletariat Morality	Ethical Relativism	Ethical Absolutes
Biology	Darwinian Evolution	Darwinian/ Punctuated Evolution	Darwinian/ Punctuated Evolution	Creation/ Intelligent Design
Psychology	Monistic Self-Actualization	Monistic Pavlovian Behaviorism	Collective Consciousness	Dualism
Sociology	Non-Traditional World State Ethical Society	Abolition of home, Church and State	Non-Traditional home, Church and State	home, Church, State
Law	Positive Law	Positive Law	Self-Law	Biblical/ Natural Law
Politics	World Government (Globalism)	New World Order	New Age Order	Justice, Freedom, Order
Economics	Socialism	Socialism/ Communism	Universal Enlightened Production	Stewardship of Property
History	Historical Evolution	Historical Materialism	Evolutionary Godhood	Historical Resurrection

 

 

[Remedy]

Described in post # 43

[AndyTheBear]

You need a dictionary...By it's very definition there is no "Atheist god."

Lay off the nit-picking on fissionproducts until you look up "metaphor" in that dictionary.