TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists

New York Times ^ | 1/07/03 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

[newgeezer]

So you think communism is an acceptable form of government? Amazing.

Your penchant for pulling irrational, extreme conclusions out of your ear is what's truly "amazing."

[mhking]

Actually I think it's you that should go there.

I'm honored. Too bad for you though.

Bite me.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

"You probably also think that we have enough oil in Texas and Alaska alone to keep us running for a 100 years."

No, but we do with there and the Gulf of Mexico oil fields which are just now being tapped. Also if we ceased all oil exports and set up pipeline agreements with Canada, there would be more than enough to make us self sufficient. Plus advances in drilling technology could produce even more if the envirowhackos would shut up and get out of the way.

"It's just those wackos that think we are running out."

Those same "wackos" during the 73-75 oil crisis said we would be almost out of oil by 2005-2010. Just like they said global warming would destroy the earth. And that Mao was a leader with wisdom and vision.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Oh? You're the one advocating that the government controls and allocates resources. If the shoe fits, that makes you the irrational one sir.

[biblewonk]

No, but we do with there and the Gulf of Mexico oil fields which are just now being tapped. Also if we ceased all oil exports and set up pipeline agreements with Canada, there would be more than enough to make us self sufficient. Plus advances in drilling technology could produce even more if the envirowhackos would shut up and get out of the way.

100 years * 25 million bpd * 365 = almost 1.1 trillion barrels. You must be privy to some info about reserves in Mexico, Alaska and Texas that I'm not. Oh and now it's Canada too. Yes they do have a lot of oilsand and the price is going down to produce it. How is Mexican and Canadian Oil making us self sufficient?

[RepublicanHippy]

Well, it seems that if our life style is bolstering the larder of Islamofascist terrorists, only two choices confront us: 1) Surrender our lifestyles, freedoms, and religion to Islam and become a 3rd world peasant nation,


Conservation of natural resources does not mean we have to surrender our freedoms and religion to Islam. Conservation is just common sense. Don't be so greedy. Your life was just fine before SUV's came on the scene, and the roads were a lot safer for the rest of us.

[newgeezer]

Oh? You're the one advocating that the government controls and allocates resources.

There you go again. Everything is black or white with you; there is no spectrum. It has to be one extreme or the other. If someone thinks the gov't ought to discourage oil consumption for the sake of national security, he's a communist. If said "communist" doesn't boycott oil completely, he's a hypocrite.

I refuse to engage in a battle of logic with an unarmed, emotionally-overwrought FRetard.

[gridlock]

The two 30-second commercials are the brainchild of the author and columnist Arianna Huffington.

If Arianna Huffington had a brainchild, it would be an orphan.

[grasshopper2]

Islam is not a threat to us, period. RADICAL Islam is. They will fight us with or without oil money because there is always someone, somewhere, willing to contribute to their cause.

I would disagree. I believe that Islam is indeed a threat to us because it is a religion that preaches conversion by the sword and death to anyone who insults their prophet. And, because the moderates can't control the radicals

You may be correct that the Islamic terrorists could still be funded even without oil money, but they'd be far, far less a risk.

Ending their oil money is just one step, however, in ending terrorism here. The other steps are: refusing entry to all people from Islamic countries, sending home all non-diplomatic resident aliens from those countries, and round- the-clock-survellience of and inflitration of all Islamic institutions, businesses and communities here.

Your solution of military action overseas will just create more martyres for their cause and great loss of American lives. Plus, it won't eliminate the enemy within. And, you didn't answer the question: where and who is the enemy?

[Petronski]

Arrianna is right; she's also very intelligent and very attractive as well.

Ahhh! The stupidity trifecta!

Attractive? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!

[Protagoras]

It's just those wackos that think we are running out.

Correct.

The world is awash with oil. And lots of it is under ground that is owned by people in this country. Furthermore, it will never run out. If you know anything about economics and the pricing mechanism, you know that.

[Protagoras]

where and who is the enemy?

Here, and people like you.

Oh, you mean those other enemies?

[Protagoras]

Bite me.

As my kids would say,,EEEUUUUU.

[grasshopper2]

Without the cash from oil, Islam is not a threat to us.

No matter how many times you make a false assumption it will never become true. Your whole argument is based on a false assumption.

How is my statement above based on a false assumption?Here, I'll make it very simple: How are bad guys armed with nothing but rocks and living in a faraway place a threat to American office workers?

And taking away my freedoms to try your childish experiments is the same thing as terrorists taking away my freedoms for their purposes.

Show me where in the US Constitution it says that you have the *right* to drive a big car and the *right* to cheap petrol? (I use the Euro word to annoy you)

[biblewonk]

The world is awash with oil. And lots of it is under ground that is owned by people in this country. Furthermore, it will never run out. If you know anything about economics and the pricing mechanism, you know that.

Yes both are true and I have tried to explain the latter point to a genuine liberal enviro wacko friend of mine. The debate was that since the US in not awash with it, how much soverignty to we lose by allowing ourselves to become so dependent on other peoples oil. As a side effect, how many psychos are we financing by not keeping a bit more of that energy money here.

[Protagoras]

How are bad guys armed with nothing but rocks and living in a faraway place a threat to American office workers?

You are delusional. The guys who sell the oil, the Sultans and the Emirs and the Saudi royalty, are helping us. WE prop them up or else the rocks would be thrown at them.

The vast amount of the money used to finance terrorism comes from so called "charitable" enterprises in the developed countries. Irish terrorists don't have oil. Enviro-terrorists (which you seem to have a soft spot for) don't have oil.

Show me where in the US Constitution it says that you have the *right* to drive a big car and the *right* to cheap petrol? (I use the Euro word to annoy you)

And now for the really moronic part of your post.

Rights are not granted by the constitution. Read it some time.

Also I never mentioned cheap oil or any kind of car. I have the right to do anything I want as long as it doesn't violate your rights. And that isn't granted by any government either.

Market prices are what I desire. Not government control of business.

Did you go to a government school?

[Nuke'm Glowing]

"where and who is the enemy? "

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Indonesia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, North Korea; shall I continue? The bottom line is if we sit on our hands and wet our pants, they will continue to kill us at home and overseas. I say we kill more of them first. Like I said, if you can not accept the carnage, move to Switzerland. The Roman strategy is the correct and only one that will work.

[Protagoras]

Oil is fungible. Do you understand the mechanism for distribution?

[Nuke'm Glowing]

"How is Mexican and Canadian Oil making us self sufficient?"

Because basically speaking, they have become our "colonies". Because of the idiotic NAFTA agreement their future is now married to ours. If we sneeze, they catch a cold. If we get violently ill, they die. They are totally dependent on the U.S. The trade agreements could easily be drafted and adopted where we trade our technological resources for their raw materials. But if you think I'm riding a bike, you're on crack. I ride it for pleasure, not to run my business. And the day I'm told that I "have" to do that is the day I take the part of Mel Gibson in the movie "The Patriot".