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***SCHUMER ANNOUNCES SENATE FILIBUSTER ON NOMINATION OF JUDGE PICKERING***
National Review Magazine ^ | January 8, 2003 | Byron York

Posted on 01/08/2003 8:18:41 AM PST by ewing

LATEST ON JUDICIAL NOMINATIONS

New York Democratic Senator Charles Schumer will announce this morning that he will filibuster the nomination of Judge Pickering to a place on the US Fifth Court of Appeals.

More to come later today...

Posted at 10:17 AM EST


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: chuckiedoll; filibuster; newyork; senate; staul
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To: Howlin
Can't they simply get enough votes to end the fillibuster?

You need 60 votes for cloture...to end debate and force a vote. We don't have enough to prevent a filibuster, but we will have enough to end on after a day or two.

101 posted on 01/08/2003 9:14:13 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Mudboy Slim
Today I remind myself of that poster that says in big letters "Mistake" with a photograph of an oil tanker sinking. Then in little letters it says: "It could be that the purpose of your entire life is to simply serve as a warning to others." :)
102 posted on 01/08/2003 9:14:37 AM PST by FreeTheHostages (hey at least I admit that I'm stupid)
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To: BibChr
"It's the PARTY we're talking about."

Zactly...ALL DemonRATS are RACISTS!!!

FReegards...MUD

103 posted on 01/08/2003 9:15:56 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RATS ROT...MUD)
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To: Snake65
Good one!!!
104 posted on 01/08/2003 9:16:09 AM PST by MP5
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To: ewing
Bush made a big mistake in nominating Pickering. It's as if he wants to reinforce the Democrat message on Lott. Bush doesn't make too many POLITICAL mistakes but this is one.
105 posted on 01/08/2003 9:16:58 AM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: pgkdan
"Can't they simply get enough votes to end the filibuster?"

Not 'til we have some fun...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

106 posted on 01/08/2003 9:17:10 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RATS ROT...MUD)
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To: monocle
Exactly! Let the people see "democracy" at work. :-)
107 posted on 01/08/2003 9:17:35 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Mudboy Slim
The Democrats’ plan for politicizing judicial selections began when they huddled with leading leftists at their spring 2001 retreat to talk about changing the judicial confirmation rules. After that, Schumer chaired unprecedented hearings on using ideological litmus tests to defeat Bush nominees. Democrats defended, then ignored, nominee ratings by the American Bar Association. They considered, then ignored, support by a nominee’s home-state senators.

Mr. Jipping, J.D

108 posted on 01/08/2003 9:18:17 AM PST by TLBSHOW (When will America learn no tax dollars for communist rats?)
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To: FreeTheHostages
"It could be that the purpose of your entire life is to simply serve as a warning to others."

You are Wise Beyond Yer Years, my FRiend...MUD

109 posted on 01/08/2003 9:18:47 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RATS ROT...MUD)
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To: monocle
In a November 10 editorial, the New York Times said that Senate Democrats "should not be afraid to mount a filibuster, which Republicans would need 60 votes to overcome" to stop judicial nominees. When the Times says jump, Democrats ask how high.

Republicans should frame their response to Democratic filibusters as a question of freedom. The issue is whether the people should be able to run their own country through the officials they elect.

America’s founders fought a revolution over this principle. Without the rule of law, we have no freedom. Leftists will not be able to defend letting judges rather than voters run the country.

Second, Bush should re-submit the nominations left unapproved during the 107th Congress. That includes the appeals court nominations of Charles Pickering and Priscilla Owen, who were rejected by Patrick Leahy’s Democrat-controlled Judiciary Committee. The Senate should quickly process and confirm these re-submitted nominees.

Third, Republicans should begin warning Americans of the tactics, including filibusters, to come. Public exposure may cause some Democrats to think twice.

Finally, Republicans must work more closely with activists. In an ideal world, appointing judges would not require massive grassroots campaigns, but it does today because judges have become too powerful and leftists want to capture the courts to short-circuit democracy.


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/11-18-02/jipping.htm
110 posted on 01/08/2003 9:19:45 AM PST by TLBSHOW (When will America learn no tax dollars for communist rats?)
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To: TLBSHOW
Great post...RATS are gonna be hung out to dry on these Judicial Nominees, IMHO!! Their attempts to "BORK" Conservatives is gonna become their DeathKnell...MUD
111 posted on 01/08/2003 9:21:42 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hoist the RATS Upon Their Own Petards!!!)
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To: Howlin
Call up somebody in the GOP and apply for a job! You sound like somebody they could use!

I'm blushing! I learned all my strategery from studying the master- W.

112 posted on 01/08/2003 9:23:09 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: FreedomFlyer
There is no mistake about picking Pickering,he's a damn good man.
113 posted on 01/08/2003 9:26:13 AM PST by linn37
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To: r9etb
Schumer? Me smells Hitlery!!
114 posted on 01/08/2003 9:27:01 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ewing
If you recall during the election, she answered only rehearsed questions. The media gave her carte blanche when it came to how her interviews and press conferences should be handled. She could probably render a pretty good filibuster with all her options laid out in advance. As for the guts - - -she has plenty of those.
115 posted on 01/08/2003 9:28:59 AM PST by stanz
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To: Zack Nguyen
Byrd will likely support Pickering. Hollings and Miller do.
116 posted on 01/08/2003 9:30:02 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: chiefqc
I'd like to sever her strings.
118 posted on 01/08/2003 9:30:46 AM PST by stanz
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To: All
This is a great wakeup call to republicans who think that we can rest.

We need to return President Bush and Cheney to office in 2005 with at least 60 republican senators to shut down the filibusters of the Rat Lefties like Schumer.
119 posted on 01/08/2003 9:31:01 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Bush/Cheney 2004 with 60 Republican Senators in 2005!)
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To: FreedomFlyer
Bush made a big mistake in nominating Pickering. It's as if he wants to reinforce the Democrat message on Lott. Bush doesn't make too many POLITICAL mistakes but this is one.

No. Endorsing politically correct smears only furthers the opposition. This was a good "right back at'cha " move.

120 posted on 01/08/2003 9:33:36 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Howlin
If Schumer starts this filibuster, I hope that Fox News gets out its infamous digital time clock, and ticks away the hours that the rat party is obstructing legislation in the Senate.
121 posted on 01/08/2003 9:33:42 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: cactusSharp
NY knows truth-tellers...

With examples such as Schumer, and Hitlery! and my own relatives' reports of the continued liberal insanity UPSTATE as well as in Manhattan, I must respectfully differ....

122 posted on 01/08/2003 9:34:26 AM PST by Paul Ross ( Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me!)
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To: pgkdan
It's not necessarily the case that there are 41 votes supporting a filibuster. All Republicans would support ending debate and we could get people like Nelson (NE), Miller, Hollings, Landrieu, Lincoln, Pryor, and others on board to get to 60.
123 posted on 01/08/2003 9:34:30 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: ewing
As discussed on another thread, judicial nominations, like all other Senate votes, are subject to a filibuster, meaning that debate cannot be closed without 60 votes under the Cloture Rule. However, not all Democrat Senators will go along with this.

If President Bush and Majority Leader Frist stand their guns, all business in the US Senate will then come to a screeching halt (once the Pickering nomination is on the floor), until a total of 60 Senators vote to end the filibuster. Not all Democrats, and especially the ones facing election in 2004, will go along with this initially.

As the obstruction stops more and more Senate business, of interest to more and more Americans, supporters of the filibuster will peel off. Democrat Senators Miller (Ga.) and Breaux (La.) will not support it from the beginning. Republican squishes like Chafee (R.I.), Blanche Lincoln, and Snowe (Vt.) will support it at the beginning, but will be under pressure to back off.

Even though Schumer is now announcing this publicly, it is about a month before the Pickering nomination will be on the floor. A lot of nose-counting is going to happen in the Senate between now and then. If Schumer doesn't have 40 solid supporters at the beginning, he will be a fool even to begin his filibuster. But even if he begins it, he cannot necessarily sustain it. Both Bush and Frist have much larger bully pulpits to fight it than Schumer has to defend it.

I predict that it won't even begin. But if it does, I predict that it will collapse, and Pickering will be confirmed, within three days. Either way, Schumer winds up with well-deserved egg on his face.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column on UPI, "Three Anti-Endorsements" (Not yet on UPI wire, or FR.)

As the politician formerly known as Al Gore has said, Buy my book, "to Restore Trust in America"

124 posted on 01/08/2003 9:34:39 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
I predict that it will collapse, and Pickering will be confirmed, within three days. Either way, Schumer winds up with well-deserved egg on his face.

Let's hope your predictions come true.

125 posted on 01/08/2003 9:36:44 AM PST by nicmarlo (sick of liberal lying communist Rats)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Byrd can do it, believe me, he has a lot of experience.
126 posted on 01/08/2003 9:38:34 AM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: ewing
MAKE HIM REALLY DO IT, MR. FRIST. No more Trent Lott symbolic filibusters...make him stand on the floor talking as long as it takes.
127 posted on 01/08/2003 9:39:21 AM PST by copycat
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To: Howlin; ewing; Miss Marple; patriciaruth; JohnHuang2; Wphile; rintense; Grampa Dave; ...
It's my understanding that a filibuster is not a Mr-Smith-Goes-to-Washington-talk-endlessly thing like it used to be.

Can anyone fill me in on how it really works now?

128 posted on 01/08/2003 9:39:43 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH - leadership, integrity, morality)
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To: FreedomFlyer
Bush made a big mistake in nominating Pickering. It's as if he wants to reinforce the Democrat message on Lott. Bush doesn't make too many POLITICAL mistakes but this is one.

Why? It follows the same Bush doctrine of making the dims knee-jerk and expose themselves and overplay their hands; again, and again, and again....... I think it is brilliant.
129 posted on 01/08/2003 9:39:48 AM PST by wasp69
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To: Howlin
Filibusters and Cloture in the Senate

Summary

The right of Senators to speak on the floor at great length—and so to filibuster—is the single most defining characteristic of the Senate as a legislative body. The possibility of filibusters derives from the absence of any effective Senate rules that limit the number or length of floor speeches. The Senate’s rules provide that, in most cases, a Senator who seeks recognition has a right to the floor if no other Senator is speaking, and that Senator then may speak for as long as he or she wishes. There is no motion by which a simple majority of the Senate can stop a debate and allow the Senate to vote in favor of an amendment, a bill or resolution, or any other debatable question. Almost every bill actually is subject to two potential filibusters before the Senate votes on whether to pass it: first, a filibuster on a motion to proceed to the bill’s consideration; and second, after the Senate agrees to this motion, a filibuster on the bill itself.

Senate Rule XXII enables Senators to end a filibuster by invoking cloture on whatever debatable matter it is considering. Sixteen Senators initiate this process by presenting a motion to end the debate. The Senate does not vote on this cloture motion until the second day after the day on which the motion is made. Then it usually requires the votes of at least three-fifths of all Senators, or at least 60 votes, to invoke cloture. Invoking cloture on a proposal to amend the Senate’s standing rules requires the support of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting.

The primary effect of invoking cloture on a question is to impose a maximum of 30 additional hours for considering that question. This 30-hour period for consideration encompasses all time consumed by rollcall votes, quorum calls, and other actions, as well as the time used for debate. During this 30-hour period, each Senator may speak for no more than one hour apiece (although several Senators can have additional time yielded to them). Under cloture, the only amendments that Senators can offer are amendments that are germane and that were submitted in writing before the cloture vote took place. The presiding officer also enjoys certain additional powers under cloture: for example, to count to determine whether a quorum is present, and to rule amendments, motions, and other actions out of order on the grounds that they are dilatory.

The ability of Senators to engage in filibusters has a profound and pervasive effect on how the Senate conducts its business on the floor. In the face of a threatened filibuster, for example, the majority leader may decide not to call a bill up for floor consideration, or to defer calling it up if there are other, equally important bills that the Senate can consider and pass without undue delay. Similarly, the prospect of a filibuster can persuade a bill’s proponents to accept changes in the bill that they do not support but that are necessary to prevent the threat of a filibuster from becoming a reality.

In January 2001, the Senate agreed to S.Res. 8, adjusting the Senate’s organization and procedures during the 107 th Congress. Discussions of pertinent provisions of this resolution appear in italics.

Filibusters and Cloture in the Senate pdf file


130 posted on 01/08/2003 9:40:10 AM PST by deport
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To: GraniteStateConservative
You're right, we may be able to muster 60 votes to prevent a filibuster, but I wouldn't bet on it...we will definately be able to shut him up in a few days though.

Nobody filibusters anymore...they make the threat and everybody scrambles to appease them. I don't think there will be any appeasement this time, at least not in the form of revoking Pickering's nomination. But who knows what Chuckie really wants?

131 posted on 01/08/2003 9:40:46 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: ewing
Someone should tell The Putz and his cohorts that a goodly number of Americans find THEM offensive to our sensibilities, and they should shut up and sit down.
132 posted on 01/08/2003 9:41:45 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: ken5050
I believe that there is no more actual filabuster in the Senate..i.e. non-stop talking and control of the floor....you merely "announce" that you're going to filabuster..then they have to round up the 60 votes to invoke cloture and gag you.

I believe that was a Trent Lott invention, the non-filibuster filibuster.

Frist should make him talk until 9 of his Dem colleagues can't stand it anymore.

133 posted on 01/08/2003 9:42:31 AM PST by copycat
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To: Howlin
Mia T had a particularly clever post about John Edwards the other day. Called him "handsome in kind of a dainty way." John "The Poof" Edwards, Darling of the Legal Obstructionists.
134 posted on 01/08/2003 9:44:13 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: FreeTheHostages
I'm not PC-ing you with nibbling suggestions

I don't think 'nibbling' is the correct word to use in this context. I believe the word you want is 'niggling'.
135 posted on 01/08/2003 9:47:30 AM PST by johnb838
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To: deport
Thanks for posting this.

Would you please repost it as its own thread. That way we can bookmark it for reference.

My tagline addresses the need of at least 60 Republican Senators in 2005.
136 posted on 01/08/2003 9:47:56 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Bush/Cheney 2004 with 60 Republican Senators in 2005!)
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To: ohioWfan
Nope, the filibuster has not changed since Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Any Senator supporting the filibuster can hold the floor as long as he/she wants, and yield the floor only to a colleague who also supports the filibuster. The Cloture Rule has not been changed since Frank Capra made his classic movie starring Jimmy Stewart.

An illustration of why we need term limits on Congress is in this question: Could there ever be a classic movie about an honest politician entitled, Mr. Smith Serves His Fourth Term? I rest my case.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column on UPI, "Three Anti-Endorsements" (Not yet on UPI wire, or FR.)

As the politician formerly known as Al Gore has said, Buy my book, "to Restore Trust in America"

137 posted on 01/08/2003 9:49:40 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Howlin
So true -- Edwards being involved would be icing on the cake! He was nasty! Showed his true side if you ask me!
138 posted on 01/08/2003 9:50:50 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Just copy or click the URL link from which it came and put it in you bookmark URL and it's there. Or just use the post number URL for the bookmark URL ...
139 posted on 01/08/2003 9:54:24 AM PST by deport
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To: Dahoser
Pickering is solid as they come. Schumer is howling racist because Pickering is liable to junk out the line of gun control and big brother legislation that he has cramed through houses of congress over the years.
140 posted on 01/08/2003 9:54:39 AM PST by oyez
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To: Mudboy Slim
Finally, Republicans must work more closely with (CONSERVATIVE) activists. In an ideal world, appointing judges would not require massive grassroots campaigns, but it does today because judges have become too powerful and leftists want to capture the courts to short-circuit democracy.


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/11-18-02/jipping.htm

THANKS LETS ROLL!............
141 posted on 01/08/2003 9:55:59 AM PST by TLBSHOW (When will America learn no tax dollars for communist rats?)
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To: scooby321
Will Frist actually require Schumer to speak for hours against the Pickering nomination, or can Schumer just say he is "filibustering," and therefore Frist will pull the nomination or what? I would say let Schumer speak until he is hoarse but proceed with the nomination. Keep them in session round-the-clock to break his filibuster.
142 posted on 01/08/2003 9:56:49 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Congressman Billybob
Could there ever be a classic movie about an honest politician entitled, Mr. Smith Serves His Fourth Term? I rest my case.

ROFLOL! Thanks for the info, Congressman!

143 posted on 01/08/2003 9:57:10 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: johnb838; Mudboy Slim
Yes, thank you. The word I wanted was "niggling," not "nibbling." 'Course, here in DC a government employee got fired for using the word "niggardly" because someone didn't know what that word really meant. So maybe in my parts "niggling" isn't safe either. Well, one thing's for sure. The English language isn't safe around me!

1 a : TRIFLE b : to spend too much effort on minor details 2 : to find fault constantly in a petty way : CARP
144 posted on 01/08/2003 10:00:21 AM PST by FreeTheHostages (clueless)
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To: ewing
I wonder if the Dems have considered the highly possible negative consequences of such action...
145 posted on 01/08/2003 10:01:08 AM PST by k2blader
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To: TLBSHOW; M. Thatcher; conservativemusician; poet; Jim Robinson; Angelwood; kristinn; ...
"leftists want to capture the courts to short-circuit democracy"

Yep...MUD

BTW...anybody gotta link to the lyrics to Andrea Bocelli's "Time To Say GoodBye, PIE!!!!"?!

146 posted on 01/08/2003 10:06:23 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hoist the RATS Upon Their Own Petards!!!)
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To: Dahoser
"Well dammit, they have to say so loudly and publicly that they support Pickering. As major black groups."

They tried to the last time Pickering was up for nomination. I appeared to me that they were overshadowed by the dems and their minions that actually ran the hearings (NOW and other liberal alphabet groups). Since then, the dems political fortunes have changed. I think we will be seeing more of Charles Evers, etc. this time.

147 posted on 01/08/2003 10:07:02 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("RATS are RACIST"---TBLSHOW)
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To: FreeTheHostages; Billie; ST.LOUIE1; Snow Bunny; ArneFufkin; coteblanche; habs4ever; FallGuy; ...
"1 a : TRIFLE b : to spend too much effort on minor details 2 : to find fault constantly in a petty way : CARP"

Yep...HOO's got the time?!

FReegards...MUD

148 posted on 01/08/2003 10:11:22 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hoist the RATS Upon Their Own Petards!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
"Schumer? He smells Hitlery!!"

EWWWWW...YEECCCHHHH!!

That is really disgustin' to contemplate...MUD

149 posted on 01/08/2003 10:15:12 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Schumer? MUD Smells Hitlery!!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"All Republicans would support ending debate and we could get people like Nelson (NE), Miller, Hollings, Landrieu, Lincoln, Pryor, and others on board to get to 60."

SHHHHHHHHHHH...let's have some fun with the RATS afore we let them off the hook like that...MUD

150 posted on 01/08/2003 10:17:28 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Schumer? MUD Smells Hitlery!!)
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