Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

Posted on 01/08/2003 11:35:54 PM PST by JohnHuang2

The Tennessee policeman who shot and killed a family's dog during a terrorizing traffic stop took just three seconds to slay the animal after it jumped out its owners' car, reports the Cookeville Herald-Citizen.

Law-enforcement authorities released a videotape of the incident yesterday, which shows the three-second time frame on the tape's counter.

The Cookeville police officer who shot the dog, Eric Hall, has since been reassigned to administrative duties while the incident is probed.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the Smoak family was returning to their home in North Carolina on New Year's Day when three police cars swarmed their vehicle on Interstate 40 in what appeared to be a traffic stop.


The Smoaks appear on CNN

A Tennessee Highway Patrol officer broadcast orders over a bullhorn for driver James Smoak to toss the keys out of the car window, get out with his hands up and walk backwards to the rear of the car. Smoak obeyed and was subsequently ordered onto his knees and handcuffed at gunpoint. Officers similarly handcuffed his wife, Pamela, and their 17-year-old son with their guns drawn.

As the troopers were putting the family members inside the patrol car, one of the Smoak family dogs, a boxer-bulldog mix named Patton, came out of the car and headed toward one of the Cookeville officers who were assisting the THP troopers.

"That officer had a flashlight on his shotgun, and the dog was going toward that light, and the officer shot him, just blew his head off," Pamela Smoak told the Herald-Citizen. "We had begged them to shut the car doors so our dogs wouldn't get out, [but] they didn't do that."

The Smoaks had been pulled over by mistake after someone reported seeing the car getting on the highway with cash flying out from behind the vehicle. James Smoak, it turns out, had mistakenly left his wallet on the roof of the car when he stopped to get gas. Someone within the THP reportedly thought a robbery had occurred, though it turns out none had.

Hall claimed he was acting in self-defense.

"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report.

Police Chief Bob Terry told the Herald-Citizen, "We are aware there is a lot of criticism out there over this incident, and we want to take [Hall] off the road and let him perform other duties while we get this all resolved." Terry stressed that Hall was not being punished for killing the dog.

The Herald-Citizen reports that "to an average viewer, the scene recorded on the video may not demonstrate the aggressiveness or the threat the officer said he experienced as the dog came toward him."

Terry said he will have two unrelated police agencies perform independent reviews of the incident.

"We once again extend our deepest concerns to the Smoak family for their loss," Terry said. "We know this was a terrible experience for them, and we truly wish that we could undo the events that occurred on the night of Jan. 1."

The Smoaks recently told their story on CNN's "Connie Chung Tonight."

Speaking of Patton, son Brandon Smoak told Chung, "He's the gentlest dog that I've ever been around. He's like Scooby Doo. He wasn't mean at all."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110mphlieon911; afraidoflittledog; algoretroopers; banglist; dog; doggieping; donutwatch; gestapovolunteers; jackbootedthugs; leo; liberalslovethis; officerdepends; pigs; poorwittlepowiceman; rottennogoodsobs; screamslikeagirl; shootfirstandlast; triggerhappy; waggingtailshooter
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 651-700 next last
To: Teacher317
Edit: You would make a great trial criminal defense lawyer for mass-murderers.
101 posted on 01/09/2003 7:48:26 AM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: eno_
Did you even look at the video, Einstein? The dog is almost in the cop's lap, when he shoots. How many situations like that have you been in?

You know, as long as we're just chatting here, I've often noticed that people who don't do illegal and/or immoral things (like, I don't know... drugs?) seem to be generally less paranoid about police. Have you noticed the same?

Dan

102 posted on 01/09/2003 7:54:38 AM PST by BibChr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

Comment #103 Removed by Moderator

To: BibChr
"You know, as long as we're just chatting here, I've often noticed that people who don't do illegal and/or immoral things (like, I don't know... drugs?) seem to be generally less paranoid about police. Have you noticed the same?"

I'm a law-abiding citizen, that BTW doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs, who has seen the police-state action first-hand on more than one instance.

And I'm sure paranoid that situations like these are becoming more and frequent to other law-abiding citizens...

Guess that makes me strange eh?
104 posted on 01/09/2003 8:02:59 AM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: TaZ
100 posts for a dead dog. He reacted and killed the dog. He is sorry. He is not a NAZI. fools. I bet they cash in.
105 posted on 01/09/2003 8:03:28 AM PST by Afronaut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
Seems to me that the people involved in this story weren't doing anything illegal or immoral... wonder if they're going to be generally less paranoid about the police.

I don't do illegal or immoral things and experience has shown me that I need to be VERY paranoid about the police. It is naive to think that because you are a law-abiding citizen you have nothing to fear from the LEOs.
106 posted on 01/09/2003 8:06:18 AM PST by myrabach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
"We once again extend our deepest concerns to the Smoak family for their loss," Terry said. "We know this was a terrible experience for them, and we truly wish that we could undo the events that occurred on the night of Jan. 1."

Well how about buying them a new dog.

107 posted on 01/09/2003 8:07:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Woof)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Afronaut
"100 posts for a dead dog. He reacted and killed the dog. He is sorry. He is not a NAZI. fools. I bet they cash in."

Yep, 100 posts for another innocent family being abused by the police state...you're right, we shouldn't be concerned at all.

I'll go back to making hoards of money for the bureacrats to confiscate...
108 posted on 01/09/2003 8:10:04 AM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 105 | View Replies]

To: myrabach; BibChr
I think it is enough reason to be "paranoid" simply to be involved in legitimate things which overzealous police and prosecutors can stretch into criminal accusations or treating you like a criminal.

As for these bozos, they should apologize to the family and buy it a new dog.
109 posted on 01/09/2003 8:12:13 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Woof)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: myrabach; TaZ
Good heavens, they had reason to think this was the suspect car. They made a mistake. You think that's not going to happen? Two minutes later, they would have let the people go. No harm, no foul.

But their blasted dog attacked a cop. The cop defended himself. Dog's dead. Too bad, so sad, life goes on.

I'll put it simpler: dog no attack, cop no shoot. Dog attacked, cop shot. Bad dog! Good cop! Bye-bye, dog.

Dan

110 posted on 01/09/2003 8:16:23 AM PST by BibChr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: TaZ
You would make a great trial lawyer

Why THANK you! I have my first interview in about 4 hours.

111 posted on 01/09/2003 8:18:19 AM PST by Teacher317 (no LawStudent317)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: Swordmaker
After watching the video several times, I have several problems with this "felony stop."

At 17:20:10 on the tape, a THP officer moves up to the driver's side of the "suspect" vehicle and shines his flashlight into the car. At the same time, Mr. Smoaks tells the officers that he has dogs in the car. At this point, the THP officer should have seen the dogs as well. It was his duty at that time to recognize the danger these dogs posed to highway traffic and the safety of the officers and "suspects" - and contain the dogs. Failure to do so led to Patton, coming out of the car. This was NOT following proper procedure and should be shown in a civil suit as negligence.

Second, at 17:20:30 Mr. Smoaks clearly says he has dogs in the car and doesn't want them jumping out. At this time the officer who had approached the vehicle (I'd like to know which THP officer this was - I'm betting Lt. Jerry Andrews) was shining his flashlight down on Mr. Smoaks hands as a second THP officer was cuffing him and the third THP officer had cuffed Mrs. Smoaks and was now cuffing their son. There is no reason this officer could not, and should not, have secured the dogs in the car.

Third, Patton comes out of the car soon after Mr. Smoaks second warning, 17:20:35, perhaps 15 seconds after the THP officer should have identified the dogs and secured them. It was this negligence and improper procedure that led to Patton being shot.

Finally, I question Officer Hall's use of deadly force, but he'll beat any questions on this because he backed away from the dog and finally shot Patton at point blank range.

I found it very interesting that after Patton was shot and the THP officer cuffing the Smoaks son finished, he moved up to the vehicle at 17:21:02 and finally closed the door.
112 posted on 01/09/2003 8:19:01 AM PST by optimistically_conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
"The cop defended himself."

I can't figure out if you're over-the-top sarcastic or just plain nuts.

113 posted on 01/09/2003 8:22:20 AM PST by headsonpikes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
This officer needs to be removed from the force and this unit needs to be trained by some K-9 guys in how to handle dogs when making an arrest.

Absolutely. At the very minimum, police should be taught to identify breeds. This cop didn't have a clue.

114 posted on 01/09/2003 8:24:39 AM PST by keri
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Imperialism.....it's a good thing.
115 posted on 01/09/2003 8:24:42 AM PST by wardaddy (I'll never stop at that Cracker Barrel in Cookeville again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
"Bad dog! Good cop! Bye-bye, dog."

I think your a little confused. Have you watched the tape? Looks more to me like Bad cop! Good dog! Should be bye-bye, cop!
116 posted on 01/09/2003 8:25:05 AM PST by walkingdead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=852F8FE2-6E6C-457F-8898-A1CBA5DCA58D

http://www.wset.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=68949&f1=loc

http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208%257E12588%257E1079695,00.html

http://www.pottstownmercury.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6488794&BRD=1674&PAG=461&dept_id=18041&rfi=6


I found all these links about GOOD cops in less than 2 minutes, without even breaking a sweat.





117 posted on 01/09/2003 8:28:52 AM PST by wimpycat (Nothin' could be finer than to be in Caroliner....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Squantos
This family sure looks like your typical armed robber gang don't they?

Geez...what was Barney thinking ....and the bigger question....why in the hell did THP let those local doofusses jump in the "fray" like that from the getgo. I thought locals were to back THP on highway stops.

Pissed in Tennessee. I hope they sue (I hate saying that)
118 posted on 01/09/2003 8:32:31 AM PST by wardaddy (I'll never stop at that Cracker Barrel in Cookeville again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
This is State tyranny of the highest order. These criminal cops must be held accountable. Every single cop involved in this TERROR incident SHOULD BE SUMMARILY FIRED! Then charged with terror acts against that family and dog. But we all know that these criminals in blue will be protected by their superiors! It's time for the people to start running the show!
119 posted on 01/09/2003 8:41:17 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreePaul
the video shows the family begging the troopers to close the door; one was almost at the door and could have easily done so. this was a setup to let the psycho local yokel have his kicks.

as nauseating as the video may be, the cover-up is worse: total disregard for the truth and the values of freedom we hold so dear is ingrained in this department and the trooper(s) who condoned this action. i live in eastern tennessee (tri cities) and this is not the type of person i know as our troopers and local pd guys. both the shooter and the trooper who was complicit need to be terminated (employment-wise)

120 posted on 01/09/2003 8:42:26 AM PST by philomath
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: wimpycat
Is it any wonder that cops' reputations are suffering? With jackbooted thugs like this, is it any wonder? I would rally that town to city hall and chant and raise hell until those cops are fired!
121 posted on 01/09/2003 8:43:35 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report."

Yeah, I can just see it now: "Get back in the car! Get back in the car!" This idiot cop was too stupid to realize that except for a few words, dogs do not understand English. Please don't read this to mean that dogs are dumb; sure, they're not too smart, but compared to some cops, they're Einsteins.
122 posted on 01/09/2003 8:46:06 AM PST by mg39
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redbob
Did you hear what the dog-killer cop said when he did it? He said, "squeal like a piggy" - I think there may be too many in-breeding cops in Cookeville! Give that man a banjo!!
123 posted on 01/09/2003 8:47:09 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: Ouachita
THis cop needs GONE..... if he's that damned trigger happy he has no business on the force. I tended to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but the video clearly shows there is NO DAMNED WAY that dog was acting in a threatening manner in the least!

Those poor kids having to go through the unwarrented arrest is bad enough, and then have to watch their pet killed by this guy... unbelievable.
124 posted on 01/09/2003 8:48:22 AM PST by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: mg39
What do you expect from an in-bred hillbilly names "Roscoe P. Coletrain"?? hahaha.
125 posted on 01/09/2003 8:48:36 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: philomath
Remind me to stay out of Tennessee - the land of jackbooted thugs.
126 posted on 01/09/2003 8:50:29 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

To: Afronaut
Bill Clinton says he's sorry for dragging the country through Monicagate, and can we move on.

The Pope says he's sorry for the Inquisition and the Holocause, and can we move on.

Trent Lott says he's sorry for supporting segregation, and can we move on.

The FBI says it was sorry about wrongfully accusing Richard jewell, and can we move on.

This clown says he is sorry for doing less than half assed police work, and killing the pet of people who had done absolutely nothing wrong.

Talk is cheap, and apologies are even cheaper since they cost nothing to make after you've screwed with someone else.

127 posted on 01/09/2003 8:54:48 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Yes, I'm a statist neocon RINO imperialist. Do you got a problem with that?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 105 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
POLICE STATE PING
128 posted on 01/09/2003 8:56:10 AM PST by SerpentDove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy
I hope they sue (I hate saying that)

Why? Getting sued will be to get off easy! This guy should be jailed for terrorizing an innocent family, along with his partners in crime. These men aren't peace officers - they are brownshirted thugs. This is unforgivable - justice must be served IMMEDIATELY. How would this Nazi feel if it was his wife who was manhandled and handcuffed for no reason? No wonder I have no respectd for cops - they think they are ABOVE THE LAW! They constantly break the laws they are sworn to uphold! How many times do you see cops speeding down the highway - EVERY DAY OCCURENCE! Who is policing the freaking police?

Cops are nothing but revenue collectors. If they are not committing the crimes, as in this case, they get there too late to prevent crimes - they arrive just in time for clean up! They are good for nothing except harrassing citizens. Citizens' militias could do the same job. Personally, I don't like cops in general - they have an arrogant and superior air to them - 99% of them do. Why don't they go out and get real jobs! I don't need a freaking cop - I WILL PROTECT MY OWN FAMILY FROM HARM, thank you.

129 posted on 01/09/2003 8:59:52 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: exmarine

130 posted on 01/09/2003 9:01:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 126 | View Replies]

To: headsonpikes; walkingdead
Already answered, 102.

In fact, I've said all I have to say on this simple, open and shut issue, have lost all interest, am moving on with my very full life.

That you still have problems with a human being killing an attacking animal is troubling. But that's on you.

Dan
131 posted on 01/09/2003 9:01:38 AM PST by BibChr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: exmarine
JBT revenue collector ping!
132 posted on 01/09/2003 9:03:04 AM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 129 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
Why you don't have a problem with cops terrorizing a family FOR NO GOOD REASON is troubling! Where is your sense of justice?
133 posted on 01/09/2003 9:04:37 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 131 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
oh give me a break
134 posted on 01/09/2003 9:04:37 AM PST by mel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
Did you watch the video?
135 posted on 01/09/2003 9:05:36 AM PST by Bella_Bru
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
"That you still have problems with a human being killing an attacking animal is troubling. But that's on you"

I hope you're one of the first neo-con statist that is the recipient of a accidental no-knock raid at 2AM...although I don't think even that would stop you from licking your heroes boots...
136 posted on 01/09/2003 9:07:00 AM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 131 | View Replies]

To: HamiltonJay
I tended to give the police the benefit of the doubt

Same here. I had avoided posting to these threads until I saw the video. My take on this, the cop had already decided that he was going to "shoot that damned dog" if it got out of the vehicle.

137 posted on 01/09/2003 9:12:28 AM PST by Ouachita (here dog! comehere doggie.....BAMMM!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
Dumbass cop was asked to shut the car door so the dog wouldn't get out.
138 posted on 01/09/2003 9:12:49 AM PST by Bella_Bru
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: exmarine
Actually the best thing that can happen is for the lawsuits to fail, and for the cop to not be disciplined.

Why would we want a release of the pressure valve? I'd rather more people distrust them, than less. I don't want the public placated.

The more incidents like this, the better in the long term.

139 posted on 01/09/2003 9:13:33 AM PST by DAnconia55 (What do we really want?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 126 | View Replies]

To: exmarine
What you evidently missed from the article:

...someone reported seeing the car getting on the highway with cash flying out from behind the vehicle. James Smoak, it turns out, had mistakenly left his wallet on the roof of the car when he stopped to get gas. Someone within the THP reportedly thought a robbery had occurred, though it turns out none had.

ALTERNATE SCENARIO: cops mistakenly stop car. Family cooperates. Dogs stay in car. Cops realize error and apologize. Life goes on.

And sir, the only part of that that didn't happen is that the dog attacked a cop, forcing him to defend himself. And that has you all broken up.

You want to live in a world where law enforcement never makes any mistakes. Me too; in fact, I will, one day.

Meanwhile, you are setting things up so that the police will forever be raked over the coals for not acting preemptively to prevent or stop crime, AND AT THE SAME TIME raked over the coals for every mistake they make attempting to prevent or stop crime.

Yes sir, you bet. I'm willing to give them a break. They made a mistake. The family cooperated. Everything was on-line to a quick resolution -- until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog!

Dan

140 posted on 01/09/2003 9:15:32 AM PST by BibChr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 133 | View Replies]

To: Ouachita
While I won't go into the cops state of mind, the dog was clearly not acting threatening in the least. To portray on a report that this dog was acting threateningly is wrong.

This man may honestly believe it was, however if he did, then he is far too jumpy and trigger happy to be on the police force. He needs to find another line of work.
141 posted on 01/09/2003 9:18:10 AM PST by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog!

So a dog coming out of a car, that the pig was warned about, is attacking? Once again, did you watch the video? Or are you just a cheerleader for whatever the authorities want? Last time the cheerleaders for unchecked law enforcement won, the Italians had Mussolini and Germans had Hitler. I guess to you, if they are wearing a badge, they must always be right, eh?

142 posted on 01/09/2003 9:20:47 AM PST by Bella_Bru
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 140 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
That you still have trouble ever questioning established authority is a sad fact of your 'ever-so-full' life.

That's not necessarily your fault; you may have been raised in a State institution for all I know.

What I do know is that such an attitude will legitimize the most sordid of degrading acts, so long as they're committed by properly authorized officials.

Yours is the attitude that convinces people they should board the cattle-cars.

I use people who think and speak like yourself as examples to children of how not to be if they want a life that allows self-respect.

I pity you and your sorry ilk. I'll just look away, now, before I spew.

143 posted on 01/09/2003 9:20:52 AM PST by headsonpikes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 131 | View Replies]

To: ambrose
"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote...

This is the kind of lying, lilly-livered, yellow-bellied, chicken-sh*t scum we have toting guns and badges around. It makes me ill.

I hope a jury awards millions to this terrorized family. As a dog owner, I know that dogs are not just pets... they are loved and cherished just like any other member of your family. Often they are loved even more than some family members.

This could not have been a more savage act of brutality, or a more clear-cut case of Barney Fife ineptitude and stupidity, if the idiot cop had shot the Dad in the head as he emerged from the car.

144 posted on 01/09/2003 9:21:05 AM PST by Gargantua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Monitor
I like those choices =)
145 posted on 01/09/2003 9:22:41 AM PST by MatthewViti
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Anybody got contact info and a website for Cookeville Tennessee, the Cookeville Chamber of Commerce, the Tennessee Visitors Bureau, etc.?

City of Cookeville

Cookeville Chamber of Commerce
One West First Street
Cookeville, TN 38501
Ph: 931.526.2211
Fax: 931.526.4032

146 posted on 01/09/2003 9:23:23 AM PST by RonPaulLives
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
Excuse me, but how does money flying off the top of a car mean that criminals are in the car? Why would a criminal throw money out the window? Duh........ these cops need to go get their GED before they are given badges!

And sir, the only part of that that didn't happen is that the dog attacked a cop, forcing him to defend himself. And that has you all broken up.

He was asked time and again to SHUT THE CAR DOOR! Why didn't they do that? Hmmm? And how would you feel, sir, if it was YOUR WIFE AND SON being terrorized by these brutes? This "mistake" as you put it is not corrected with an apology! JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED. Firing and jail. I demand it.

Meanwhile, you are setting things up so that the police will forever be raked over the coals for not acting preemptively to prevent or stop crime, AND AT THE SAME TIME raked over the coals for every mistake they make attempting to prevent or stop crime.

Police need to get humble and stop acting like they own the world and everything in it. They are public SERVANTS. They are not ABOVE THE LAW. Tell you what, what if I make a citizen's arrest on the next cop I see speeding down the road? How about that? I don't like cops becuase they are good for nothing. How many crimes do they prevent out of the total - about 1%? I can protect my own family - I don't need a revenue collector with a badge to harrass my neighborhood. Cops are arrogant in general and do not police their own - it is a mutual admiration society. That cannot be denied.

Yes sir, you bet. I'm willing to give them a break. They made a mistake. The family cooperated. Everything was on-line to a quick resolution -- until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog!

Are you a cop or something? Is your daddy a cop? That is the only explanation for your blindness to this crime! They terrorized that family WITH ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAD COMMITTED A CRIME.

147 posted on 01/09/2003 9:23:31 AM PST by exmarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 140 | View Replies]

To: Bella_Bru
102
148 posted on 01/09/2003 9:25:36 AM PST by BibChr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 142 | View Replies]

To: Byron_the_Aussie
...I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report....

I saw the video. There is a marked difference between the way a dog acts when it is attacking and the way that dog came out of the car. It was bouncing along with its tail wagging side to side, not "circling to attack".

I also wonder what crime they were to be suspected of/arrested for. An unknown caller reports an odd incident and suddenly this family is Bonnie and Clyde?

This was an enormous screw up by those cops, and now they are scrambling to do damage control. We should be thankful their ineptitude didn't kill a person.

149 posted on 01/09/2003 9:26:05 AM PST by 70times7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: optimistically_conservative
I watched and agree with you that the officer could have and should have closed the doors. I notice that Mr. Smoak did indeed close his door as he got out.

As to whether the officer was not "following proper procedure" by not closing the door, I do not know because I don't know what the proper procedure for their department is in that case... common sense says: close the damn door... but sometimes, as in this case, common sense gets forgotten in specified rules.

Officer Hall has already been found not to have used "excessive force" in his department's internal investigation of the event. From what I saw in the video, he did not shoot until he was in what he must have thought, eminent danger. Officer Hall does not have to wait until the dog is burying its teeth in his arm or leg before defending himself.

This is, as I have said before, a trajedy... officers attempting to do their duty according to procedure and doing it into which an uncontrollable, random element was thrown: the dog.

This chain of unfortunate events has enough mistakes to go around: the original misplacing of the wallet on the car, the misapprehension of the witness who called 9-1-1, the emergency operator escalating the call to require a felony stop, the not closing the car doors by all parties...

150 posted on 01/09/2003 9:26:31 AM PST by Swordmaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 651-700 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson