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Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

Posted on 01/08/2003 11:35:54 PM PST by JohnHuang2

The Tennessee policeman who shot and killed a family's dog during a terrorizing traffic stop took just three seconds to slay the animal after it jumped out its owners' car, reports the Cookeville Herald-Citizen.

Law-enforcement authorities released a videotape of the incident yesterday, which shows the three-second time frame on the tape's counter.

The Cookeville police officer who shot the dog, Eric Hall, has since been reassigned to administrative duties while the incident is probed.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the Smoak family was returning to their home in North Carolina on New Year's Day when three police cars swarmed their vehicle on Interstate 40 in what appeared to be a traffic stop.


The Smoaks appear on CNN

A Tennessee Highway Patrol officer broadcast orders over a bullhorn for driver James Smoak to toss the keys out of the car window, get out with his hands up and walk backwards to the rear of the car. Smoak obeyed and was subsequently ordered onto his knees and handcuffed at gunpoint. Officers similarly handcuffed his wife, Pamela, and their 17-year-old son with their guns drawn.

As the troopers were putting the family members inside the patrol car, one of the Smoak family dogs, a boxer-bulldog mix named Patton, came out of the car and headed toward one of the Cookeville officers who were assisting the THP troopers.

"That officer had a flashlight on his shotgun, and the dog was going toward that light, and the officer shot him, just blew his head off," Pamela Smoak told the Herald-Citizen. "We had begged them to shut the car doors so our dogs wouldn't get out, [but] they didn't do that."

The Smoaks had been pulled over by mistake after someone reported seeing the car getting on the highway with cash flying out from behind the vehicle. James Smoak, it turns out, had mistakenly left his wallet on the roof of the car when he stopped to get gas. Someone within the THP reportedly thought a robbery had occurred, though it turns out none had.

Hall claimed he was acting in self-defense.

"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report.

Police Chief Bob Terry told the Herald-Citizen, "We are aware there is a lot of criticism out there over this incident, and we want to take [Hall] off the road and let him perform other duties while we get this all resolved." Terry stressed that Hall was not being punished for killing the dog.

The Herald-Citizen reports that "to an average viewer, the scene recorded on the video may not demonstrate the aggressiveness or the threat the officer said he experienced as the dog came toward him."

Terry said he will have two unrelated police agencies perform independent reviews of the incident.

"We once again extend our deepest concerns to the Smoak family for their loss," Terry said. "We know this was a terrible experience for them, and we truly wish that we could undo the events that occurred on the night of Jan. 1."

The Smoaks recently told their story on CNN's "Connie Chung Tonight."

Speaking of Patton, son Brandon Smoak told Chung, "He's the gentlest dog that I've ever been around. He's like Scooby Doo. He wasn't mean at all."


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To: RonPaulLives
Thanks. The City of Cookville site was lagging pretty badly a few minutes ago - the other one should work a little easier.
151 posted on 01/09/2003 9:28:45 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Yes, I'm a statist neocon RINO imperialist. Do you got a problem with that?)
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To: BibChr
No, I am not involved in any illegal activitiies. But, I am not going to forgive or justify EVERYTHING LEO's do. They do not deserve to get let off on everything.

You must not have watched the video. But maybe you couldn't see it from your position on your knees.

152 posted on 01/09/2003 9:30:03 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: patriciaruth
Agreed! If you watch the video, it's not some lapdog running up to the cop that he could just punt across the road. It looks like a pit bull, and you don't have time to negotiate with those insane animals. I would have done the same thing. Now, the mistreatment of the family by some heavy handed goons is not cool, but popping a dog that is a potential attacker, what's the big deal?
153 posted on 01/09/2003 9:33:42 AM PST by zingzang
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To: Afronaut
"100 posts for a dead dog. He reacted and killed the dog. He is sorry. He is not a NAZI. fools. I bet they cash in."

Yes, they'll cash in huge, but not because of the dog, numbnuts. It was police brutality and a wrongful arrest! Read the whole story or just go back out into the fields and eat your cud with the rest of the sheeple. The tactics used would have made the KGB or Gestapo proud.
154 posted on 01/09/2003 9:35:50 AM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: BibChr
This "102" thing seems to contain the secret nugget of your insight.

And what would that be???

Oh, I see, a cowardly little smear of those who expect competence and common decency from public officials.

Mr. BibChr, I have a hunch that you are a 'whited sepulcher'.

Typical.
155 posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:02 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: JohnHuang2
String that cop up.
156 posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:04 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam and Arabs = uncivilized barbarians.)
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To: JohnHuang2
My Uncle Bob was a 30 year veteran of a police force in suburban Cleveland. He was best man at my wedding 40 years ago. He served in an era when MOST cops embodied the now frequently hollow motto emblazoned on patrol cars all over this country: “TO PROTECT AND SERVE.”

The last years of his career were spent as the Chief Juvenile Detective in his department. When he died, a number of the young men whose lives he’d touched years before came forward to tell how his timely and sometimes tough-love intervention turned them around.

I know that many officers STILL try to live that creed today. I also know that there are officers out there who, despite the rulings by the Supremes that they have no obligation to specific, individual citizens, would stand between one of us and a bullet – and have.

My sister is married to a good guy – who was also a good cop.

And I STILL vividly recall a business trip and having a flat tire. I pulled onto the narrow shoulder and was opening the trunk when I spied a Georgia State Trooper’s car cross the median, hit the flashers and pull in some distance behind me and a bit closer to the road, shielding me and my car from the 70 MPH traffic. SHE got out and asked if I needed any help. I told her I could probably handle it. She said she’d keep her unit there until I got done.

THEN she spotted my cane and saw that I was partially disabled. Before I could object, she was in the trunk, had wrestled the spare to the ground and was jacking up the car, all the while asking me to remain safely near the guardrail. About that time, two county deputies stopped and pitched in. The lady trooper cut her hand fooling with the jack and soiled her freshly pressed uniform wrestling the dirty flat back into the trunk. They couldn’t have been nicer! I took their names and wrote highly complimentary letters to their superiors – all of whom promptly acknowledged them and thanked me for the kind words.

These officers – like my uncle – grasped the significance of “To Protect and Serve.”

I also recognize that the cops – like Gort in “The Day The Earth Stood Still” -- are simply the muscle (the “enforcement”) behind the legislative and statutory “law” enacted by society as a whole. That is, after all, why it’s called “LAW ENFORCEMENT.” And although it could be argued that this society may be morphing into the homonym for “whole” as you read this, these laws are enacted by our alleged “representatives” meeting in generally safe, quiet and opulent chambers far from the increasingly mean streets where the cops ply their trade. If the cops have too many intrusive and abusive laws to enforce, check the nearest mirror for a likeness of the responsible party.

And if the cops ARE abusive to the general citizenry, why aren’t HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of us RAISING UNHOLY HELL at each and every meeting of the responsible governing body? French political philosopher Joseph D'Maistre declared that "Every people gets the government they deserve."

Have we really become the “nation of sheep” an author foresaw many years ago? If so, we have little right to object to the shearing. Or the coming slaughter and culling of the flock. And my guess is that the culling will begin with the most troublesome and noisiest sheep. And guess who THAT is?

An old friend is a ranking officer with a large police department. I would rate his love of our freedoms and the Constitution against anyone here at FR. A few years ago, he told me that IF the order to begin some sort of weapons round-up among the general citizenry ever came down from “on high,” we would quickly know about it from the reports of disturbances and gunfire from the neighborhood cop shop: Fully HALF the officers in his department are Second Amendment guys. He and they would be the first to resist such an order – physically if necessary. What should scare us all is the shift in our demographics and the continuing leftist indoctrination by the government schools, making it impossible to know how much longer that ratio – and sentiment – will hold.

A civilized society must also recognize the need to assure that EVERY officer we put out there be as well paid, trained and supervised as possible. The people doing this work ought to have the best training and equipment we can provide them if only to convey to them our belief that their work – and their lives – are as worthy as our own – if only to keep their morale at the highest possible level. Disgruntled malcontents almost always make lousy cops.

Having said that, we must also recognize that EVERY large barrel contains some bad apples -- and SOME cops are “cowboys.” Some are simply power driven megalomaniacs who would have dropped on the OTHER side of the law had their lives drifted a degree or two off the course they did take.

I believe this to be especially true of far too many federal law enforcement types who have allowed their egos and hubris to become as bloated as the bureaucratic federal behemoth they serve. Their mandate is no longer to “…protect and serve” the citizens who pay their salaries: It is to crush any meaningful resistance to a growing body of procedures, regulations and policies – too frequently enforced under severely tortured interpretations of the underlying legislative enactments (if any) – and often put in place by executive fiat. The massively abused SEIZURE statutes – laws the author of which now seeks to RESCIND! -- spring to mind.

And one cannot but help to wonder how the clear criminality of the Clintons – and their subsequent avoidance of any penalty – has played into the problem. There now seems to be a bright line between the easy, highly flexible, slap-on-the-wrist law for the rich and powerful and the rigidly enforced law against even the tiniest victimless “crimes” committed by those of us further down the food chain. Does anyone in his right mind believe THAT will NOT engender added disrespect for ALL law?

Could those things be a large part of the problem in some of the highly disturbing – and DEADLY (on BOTH sides) – confrontations we have witnessed over the past decade or so? Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, OK City, Waco, Beck… This list WILL lengthen and we’d all better pray that WE will be spared.

Roman historian Tacitus warned that one could tell the level of corruption in a society by the NUMBER of its laws. Anyone doubt the level of corruption here?

Am I the only one who thinks we’re long overdue a serious review of the NUMBERS of laws under which we are now forced to exist – and which are increasingly used not to assure our safety or well-being, but to COMMAND AND CONTROL us and KEEP US IN LINE.

Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that.

The modern counterparts of my Uncle Bob would not object.

It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet – probably fired by someone who has symbolically screamed to himself “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE” -- referred to earlier when they sally forth to serve that flimsy warrant or make that bogus arrest.

157 posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:40 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: zingzang
That boy was one of those, like the vast majority of cops these days, who needs to put his bullet in his pocket. Better yet, he should only be allowed a billy club.

Ever wonder, with suspects secured and cuffed, why this untrained, undisciplined ass even reached for a gun first?

158 posted on 01/09/2003 9:37:12 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Yes, I'm a statist neocon RINO imperialist. Do you got a problem with that?)
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To: BibChr
You're a moron. Dogs wagging there tail are not about to attack. What's next for your Nazi protection program a situation like this?

"Well, we entered the premises at 2:59 a.m. by kicking in the door. The two residents apparently were asleep and when we entered the bedroom yelling for them to kiss the floor, subject one reached for what I thought was a gun and so I discharged 5 rounds into him."

In reality, the 67 year old man was reaching for his eyeglasses. He was unarmed. The "police" busted into the wrong house with their no-knock raid. Yup, you're right. I'll use your own words:

"They made a mistake. You think that's not going to happen? Two minutes later, they would have let the people go. No harm, no foul."

This is a true story from Southern California two years ago. I guess the Gestapo can do no wrong. What else do you do for a living? Do you kiss their butts at the Dunkin' Doughnuts too?
159 posted on 01/09/2003 9:41:19 AM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Sad;y, I have come to the same conclusion. It hurts too - I used to be very pro-cop. Now it seems they're overrun with thugs. I know there are good cops out there - I just wish they'd clean up their own house.

I've got two sons who are cops, and their first comment after six months on the job was "Most police are very stupid people with little commonsense and a huge power complex."

160 posted on 01/09/2003 9:43:08 AM PST by sinkspur (<)
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To: BibChr
"You want to live in a world where law enforcement never makes any mistakes. Me too; in fact, I will, one day."

So if law enforcement makes "a mistake" and blows your head off, do you or don't you want us to come to your defence?
161 posted on 01/09/2003 9:44:00 AM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: BibChr
"...until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog! "

Dan, "Let your 'yes' be yes, and your 'no' be no." "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

The dog didn't attack a human. For you to state that he did is a lie. You should not lie, as God's Holy Word tells you not to.

Either do not lie, or change your login from that deceptive acronym for "biblical Christian." n'Kay?

162 posted on 01/09/2003 9:45:33 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: BibChr
Where did the dog attack this cop? I mean, come on, the video is plain for everyone to see. There was no attack. Please watch the video or watch it again and report the time on the video that shows where this dog was "attacking".
163 posted on 01/09/2003 9:48:34 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Swordmaker
This is, as I have said before, a trajedy... officers attempting to do their duty according to procedure and doing it into which an uncontrollable, random element was thrown: the dog.

' Yeah, and the smirking dog-killer seems to contradict your conclusion. There was MALICE aforethought behind this shooting. Why didn't the stupid idiots question the family before terrorizing them? What grounds were there for this type of treatment? NONE WHATSOEVER. The idiot cops took the word of some passerby who concluded there must have been a robbery, but why on earth would a robber throw money out the window? These cops were at the very least STUPID, and at MOST evil. The dog-killer certainly was not sorry for his deed as his smirk will attest! That jerk should be fired just for his attitude.

164 posted on 01/09/2003 9:48:42 AM PST by exmarine
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To: BibChr
By the way, Dan, it is not up to YOU to forgive that cops. That is up to the family and God. The cops didn't terrorize you so I could give a squat about your forgiveness of the cops.
165 posted on 01/09/2003 9:49:41 AM PST by exmarine
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To: patriciaruth
Drug dealers often train their dogs to attack and kill, so there was no way for the cop to know what he was facing. Hindsight is wonderful. But if it had been my dog, I would have cried and then comforted the cop and told him not to feel guilty.

Go back and read the whole article. There was no reason for the dog to escape from the car. And why was the family being arrested, anyway?

166 posted on 01/09/2003 9:49:47 AM PST by js1138
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To: RonPaulLives
Thanks for the link as I haven't had time to research it...Here's the email I sent:

"To the honorable Mayor or whoever is in charge,

Instead of allowing your "officers" to make the mistake of shooting a family pet, why don't you build a gulag, run the people down there and shoot and bury the bodies next time. I mean hell, shooting pet dogs and arresting innocent people while on video tape is just plain stupid. Do you honestly think Mao, Castro, Pol-Pot, Stalin and Hitler would keep such detailed records? Well, maybe they would. Enjoy your sadistic videos as I'll take the long way around your Algore butt kissing facist Gestapo state when travelling that way in the future. Sincerely, etc....


I can't wait to see the response....
167 posted on 01/09/2003 9:51:49 AM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Gargantua
or a more clear-cut case of Barney Fife ineptitude and stupidity

I resent that on behalf of Barney Fife. He only had one bullet, and he wasn't allowed to carry it.

The cops were clearly in the wrong. Why didn't they close the door? They had seen the dogs for themselves, they'd been asked twice. Any dog owner knows that a dog in a car, wants to get out of the car. (A dog OUT of a car, wants to get IN.)

Out of four guys, not one has a dog?

And what is going on at Police Academy, that they don't teach cops the difference between a dog WAGGING ITS TAIL and a dog attacking?

Irrelevant, but full disclosure:
I lived in Cookeville a few years as a child (Dad taught at Tech) & returned to visit my grandparents frequently until 1970.

168 posted on 01/09/2003 9:52:49 AM PST by nina0113
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FREEPERS TAKE NOTE:

One thread discussing marijuana legalization generates > 1000 comments.

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169 posted on 01/09/2003 9:56:52 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: exmarine
Remind me to stay out of Tennessee

aw, come on. a little jaunt to far eastern tennessee won't hurt, especially if mr happy trigger is roadside with shopping cart and "will behave for food" sign. we're working on it....

170 posted on 01/09/2003 9:59:40 AM PST by philomath
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To: Gargantua
The only way to explain BibChr inexplicable defense of this heinous crime is that he is related to a cop! If I werer this family, I WOULD NEVER LET THIS REST UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED. Forgiveness and justice are two different things.
171 posted on 01/09/2003 10:00:48 AM PST by exmarine
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To: JohnHuang2
These blithering idiot Tennessee LEO's had no business displaying that much firepower for stopping an uncorroburated or unsubstantiated story in the first place. They drew weapons to fast not knowing if anybody in the vehicle was armed or dangerous and they presumed to much. There was no credible witness, victem, or crime event. It must have been a slow week for these rambo types who finaly had a chance to be on COPS and instead showed what blithering idiots they are. If this is the state of LEO and practice in America than it has all gone terribly wrong and I hope people begin to sue the crap out them.
172 posted on 01/09/2003 10:01:46 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: zingzang
but popping a dog that is a potential attacker, what's the big deal?

The big deal is the dog wasn't attacking. Your attitude that an innocent family pet can be "popped" for nothing, and is no "big deal" if it *is* a pitbull dog, is sick.

Cops shouldn't shoot innocent dogs, even if it is a "pitbull." Your attitude seems to imply as long as the cops are just guilty of shooting innocent dogs that "appear" to be a pitbull, everything is peachy. Rationality is apparently dead, where you live.

173 posted on 01/09/2003 10:02:23 AM PST by keri
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To: Dick Bachert
. He and they would be the first to resist such an order – physically if necessary.

BS and you know it. Talk is cheap, and I don't doubt that the words were said, but I have yet to hear of any cop anywhere in the USA failing to enforce gun laws. When NYC unconstitutionally confiscated citizens' semi-autos, no cop refused to do it. Did you not hear that all of the tips that were phones in to the Montgomery County PD during the sniper episode will now be used for gun confiscation? The cops in COnnecticut who found some guys gun collection propmtly confiscated it and arrested him - just for having what they thought were too many guns.

...Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that....

Well that's an awful large fraction of them and getting larger every day.

It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet

This is true, if things continue as they are with LEOs literally getting away with murder, then the mine in the favorite radar spot, the bullets in the ambush, etc. aren't going to ask whether the cop is really a good cop or one of the many SD einsatztroopers that make up US law enforcement today.

174 posted on 01/09/2003 10:02:48 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: Mat_Helm
I agree except I would sue that town until they could no longer afford to pay cops! Bankrupt the city unless they fire the cops.
175 posted on 01/09/2003 10:03:07 AM PST by exmarine
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To: from occupied ga
Yeah, the cops would love it if they were the only ones left with firearms - then the TERROR could really commence! Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The arrogance of today's cops make me want to puke. No such person will ever be my friend.
176 posted on 01/09/2003 10:05:23 AM PST by exmarine
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To: sinkspur
It's sad, because a lot of cops are good people who are trying to do the right thing. But guys like this hot dog are giving the rest of the police a bad name.
177 posted on 01/09/2003 10:09:55 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: JohnHuang2
Bookmark for later.
178 posted on 01/09/2003 10:12:20 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: BibChr
But their blasted dog attacked a cop.

If what that dog did is 'attacking', then I've been mauled to death by my cat more than once.
179 posted on 01/09/2003 10:14:16 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: exmarine
...I would sue that town until they could no longer afford to pay cops! Bankrupt the city unless they fire the cops

The won't work. It isn't the cops or the bureaucrats who will pay. It is the taxpayers. Get a $30,000,000 judgement, then don't take it out of the hides of the a$$hole thugs who did this - just stick it to the taxpayers.

Happened rat cheer in GA about 10 years ago. There was a big "drug raid" several days before election day with about 60 LEOs against a businessman who was running for county comissioner. Done on the information of "anonomyous informants" Just his incumbent opposition doing its thing with the full cooperation of the Gwinnett County police force. Well he lost the election and took the whole lot to court and got a huge judgement against them. Of course they appealed, but they lost that too. Not one penny came fom any of the law enforcement goons who carried out the raids. Every cent (about $30,000,000 as I remember) came from the taxpayers' pockets. The count spoksperson said that the money didn't come from tax revenues, but had been set aside earlier. This complete lie was unchallenged by the local liberal media, and most of my moronic fellow Georgians because they were too dishonest (in the case of the media) or too dumb (my fellowcitizens) to realize that a government has no income other than what it forcibly seizes from its citizens.

180 posted on 01/09/2003 10:14:43 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: B Knotts
What IS the right thing? Randomly stopping motorists to see if they have had "one too many", or they are not wearing their seat belt, or, coming, their helmet in the car?

Until the mentality of presumed guilt instead of innocence is reversed, I would have to believe that anyone wanting to enter the field of law enforcement at this time must be on a power trip of some kind.
181 posted on 01/09/2003 10:16:28 AM PST by renosathug
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To: patriciaruth
You missed the point. The whole incident would not have happened if the cops had listened to the people they were harrassing. The cops need to be able to evaluate behavior at some level and separate ordinary citizens who are concerned about a legitimate issue the cops may be ignoring from criminals who are trying to hide something. It should have been clear to the cops from the outset that a terrible mistake had been made. I speak from personal experience on this. Some cops just don't exercise good judgement and those cops pose as much danger to us ordinary citizens as criminals do.
182 posted on 01/09/2003 10:18:41 AM PST by MoGalahad
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To: B Knotts
guys like this hot dog

weiner, wanker, parts is parts???

183 posted on 01/09/2003 10:18:42 AM PST by philomath
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To: ActionNewsBill
...Anyone with an IQ above room temperature should have figured out within 5 seconds that these were NOT bank robbers...

Gee, Bill...I sure wish I had your clairvoyance! Why think of all the Lotto winning numbers I could "figure out in 5 seconds".

Have you ever considered going to work for Miss Cleo? There is money to be made in the Fortune Telling Biz.

184 posted on 01/09/2003 10:18:55 AM PST by albee
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To: TaZ
Just like the woman BATF officer that stomped the kitten of another family to death, smiling the whole time in ecstasy, while on another bogus police-raid of law-abiding citizens...

Woah, when did this happen? Shooting dogs is bad enough, but killing kittens?
185 posted on 01/09/2003 10:20:40 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: walkingdead
How DARE you suggest such a disrespectful thing to an officer of the law! The law is absolute, and its enforcers can do no wrong! You are to report to a government facility for re-education immedeately. Then you'll sound like some of the other (minority) FReepers here who are defending these pigs.
186 posted on 01/09/2003 10:22:22 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: renosathug
Watch the video. That dog was wagging its tail!!! Dogs don't wag their tails when they are attacking anyone.

Not only that, but there was a clear bounce in its step, which any dog owner will recognize as a sign of a friendly, non-aggressive attitude.

187 posted on 01/09/2003 10:22:40 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: from occupied ga
It seems honesty and integrity have a good man in you in Georgia. I agree with you about taxpayers footing the bill. I suppose there is no one to police the police. They are above the law. When it comes to cops, suspicion and contempt is my watchword. If cops don't want to get a bad rep from the small percentage (is it small?) of bad cops, then they had better start firing and jailing bad cops. Until they do that, cops don't deserve my admiration or support and won't get it.
188 posted on 01/09/2003 10:23:01 AM PST by exmarine
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To: Dimensio
BATF - isn't those the jackbooted thug agency that got their comeuppance at Waco when they made an illegal raid, and then participated in the murder of the children out of revenge later on? Yup. I think that's them. Heinrich Himmler and Rudyard Heidrich would be proud of this group!
189 posted on 01/09/2003 10:26:04 AM PST by exmarine
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To: BibChr
Did you even look at the video, Einstein? The dog is almost in the cop's lap, when he shoots. How many situations like that have you been in?

Several hundred. Dogs like me.

I have yet to feel the need to blow one's head off.

190 posted on 01/09/2003 10:26:47 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
Not only that, but there was a clear bounce in its step

Well that Barney of a cop sure showed that dog that it is illegal to bounce in TN!

191 posted on 01/09/2003 10:27:38 AM PST by renosathug
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Perhaps you should read more before making that statement. The older officers are complaining locally about this new generation...because the new generation would rather do steroids and shoot things than to "protect and serve".

I've noticed the same thing myself.I am sometimes around LEOs in the course of my work. Most of the older cops (40+) are generally helpful and sincere. It's the young roid monsters with something to prove that are the problem.

192 posted on 01/09/2003 10:28:42 AM PST by AUgrad (It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness- Seneca)
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To: Dimensio
, smiling the whole time in ecstasy, while on another bogus police-raid of law-abiding citizens...

No one know if he was smiling because they wear ski masks when they do this stuff.

Woah, when did this happen?

About 4 years ago in NC I think. Raided the house of a gun show promoter and stomped the kitten flat. No consequences (of course).

193 posted on 01/09/2003 10:32:40 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: renosathug
Only a sociopath could sleep at night after participating in the terrorization of that family. Seeing that video enrages me, especially seeing the mug of that hillbilly police chief on TV. What's his name, Roscoe P. Coletrain? And watching those trigger-happy thugs surround that car like they were escaped convicts, circling the car like executioners! Unbelievable! No leadership whatsoever in that police department - a bunch of malicious little boys reliving their childhoods when they played cops and robbers! I can't watch that video again - it makes me too angry. My Marine Corps blood is boiling!
194 posted on 01/09/2003 10:34:32 AM PST by exmarine
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To: Squantos
"BTW did anyone else hear the 911 call where a lady states the car was doing 110 mph ?? And money was being thrown out of the car ??? When the man just left his wallet on top of the car. And at 110 if she saw it that fast.....the wallet would have flown off the roof well before that speed was reached...."


What this woman did could be the beginning of things to come. Tick someone off while you're driving down the road and a cell phone call to the police is made. You could be made out to be a hardened criminal by that call. Next thing you know, you're pulled over, yanked out of your car a gun point, hand cuffed and hauled off to jail. All because of a cell phone call made by someone you may have tick off.

Too far-fetched?

I'l be watching and listening!
195 posted on 01/09/2003 10:38:37 AM PST by spokanite
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To: AUgrad
It's sad. I think the television show "COPS" is as much of a problem as the roid rage...
196 posted on 01/09/2003 10:39:48 AM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: from occupied ga
Sounds like you've had some really BAD experiences with LE people.

FYI, that cop mentioned in the gun control context is here in Georgia.

And I don't appreciate your calling me a liar.

197 posted on 01/09/2003 10:39:49 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: BibChr
until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog!

If you can see an "attack" in the video, then you're just as clueless, reckless, and irresponsible as the so-called "police officer", and you shouldn't be in a position of authority either.

The dog VERY CLEARLY was not attacking. The officer is either a complete idiot, or dangerously trigger-happy. Either way, he has amply demonstrated his uniftness for duty. How long before he similarly grossly misreads the actions/attitude of a non-agressive *human* and shoots *them*?

He needs to be off the force immediately. And I'm likewise not at all impressed with *your* judgement.

198 posted on 01/09/2003 10:41:06 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: from occupied ga; BibChr
"...and stomped the kitten flat."

I'm sure you've got chapter and verse to justify this, too, Mr. W. Sepulchre.

199 posted on 01/09/2003 10:41:43 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Dick Bachert
And I don't appreciate your calling me a liar.

Just where did I call you a liar?

200 posted on 01/09/2003 10:44:44 AM PST by from occupied ga
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