Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

[Stew Padasso]

"Last time I checked, the crime of murder required a human victim."

What would be the penalty if you shot a police dog?

[Stew Padasso]

"You and several others on this thread need to chill a bit here."

I think that a situation like this just adds to the frustration level with government and it boils over and people vent.

We read so many stories everyday of abuse, fraud, stupidity and arrogance. At a certain point people are gonna snap.

I can tell you this, that cop is cowardly loser and should no longer be on the force. That is the type of guy who has the potential to "accidentally" shoot a person.

[Gargantua]

No, you chill out. From Dan's post # 140:

"I'm willing to give them a break. They made a mistake. The family cooperated. Everything was on-line to a quick resolution -- until the dog attacked the human. Too bad. Bad dog!"

Let me repeat that for you, just so you don't goof up again:

Dan said, "until the dog attacked the human."

If you want to play "moderator," get your facts straight first, and then act like a smart guy.
n'Kay? Thanks, Dirt.

[Travis McGee]

Killing dogs has become SOP for too many cops, beginning with the BATF. If a dog is within 50 feet it "could" present a threat, so shoot it preemptively seems to be the law of the land.

BTW, I have also read Point of Impact about ten times, and I think you might enjoy "Enemies Foreign And Domestic" just as much. There is even an episode of preemptive dog killing.

[dirtboy]

Dan said, "until the dog attacked the human."

And I'm saying chill out on the personal attacks. In my opinion the dog was not attacking - however, the video is hardly conclusive one way or the other, given you can hardly see the dog. But what I see here is a bunch of hot-air personal attack posts instead of anything resembling a sane analysis of the tacticial situation that resulting in the dog's death.

[BibChr]

Good luck, talking moderation and reasonableness to a lynch mob. Check out 279; that guy knows EVERYTHING.

Dan

[Stew Padasso]

What would happen to us pee-ons if we shot a police dog in self defense?

[dirtboy]

I can tell you this, that cop is cowardly loser and should no longer be on the force. That is the type of guy who has the potential to "accidentally" shoot a person.

I think the issue may also lie with the training and tactics used by the police force, and the cop might have been following departmental procedure - in which case the training needs a major overhaul. We'll see what happens as a result of the investigation. Meanwhile, I think a post saying the cop should take a dirt nap is over the top by any standard and out of line on this forum.

[dirtboy]

Killing dogs has become SOP for too many cops, beginning with the BATF. If a dog is within 50 feet it "could" present a threat, so shoot it preemptively seems to be the law of the land.

I think that is the point that should be looked into here. If the cop was following the department tactical guidelines regarding dogs, then the idiot who drew them up should be roasted, not the cop in question.

[Chemist_Geek]

There is a certain set of freepers who feel that no actions by law enforcement can ever be wrong. No matter what they always make excuses for law enforcement.

I should point out that there is also the converse set of freepers. Which is right, depends upon the facts of the case. It's a good thing that the dashboard camera didn't "inexplicably suffer a failure and lost its recording" in this incident.

It's rather frightening to consider the implications of the widespread suspicion and mistrust of the police. It's not just inner-city folks, it's not just dopeheads, it's way beyond that now...

[Lurker]

If it were my dog, I'd hunt the sob down who did it.

L

[Stew Padasso]

I'll tell you what, I know a dude who works within the Sheriff's office and he is definitely not fit for the job.

Reviewing tactics and all that will do nothing, it is a top to bottom cultural problem, and not in just law enforcement.

A good example - look where Bob Ricks from Waco fame ended up:
http://www.youroklahoma.com/homelandsecurity/

[Lurking Libertarian]

What would be the penalty if you shot a police dog?

If I couldn't convince a jury that I thought I was being attacked, probably a year in jail. Certainly a lot less than the penalty for murder.

[dirtboy]

I'll tell you what, I know a dude who works within the Sheriff's office and he is definitely not fit for the job. Reviewing tactics and all that will do nothing, it is a top to bottom cultural problem, and not in just law enforcement.

I think it will take both - de-militarizing police tactics and weeding out incompetents. Bad tactics can turn a good cop into a bad one, but all the good tactics in the world won't accomplish squat with a bad cop...

[Politicalmom]

Great.

They will sort it out the same way they did when the INNOCENT kid was shot in the face for reaching for his (REQUIRED BY THE GOVERNMENT) seat belt after he was ordered out of the car.

[ambrose]

What would be the penalty if you shot a police dog?

The penalty would be you'd get a bullet in-between your eyes. The police report will read "Suspect reached for gun, at which point I was forced to fire in self-defense."

[Stew Padasso]

Anyone who challenges the status quo will be attacked, you know that. Challenging law enforcement will only be met with the usual smears of paranoid, black helicopter etc. etc.

[dirtboy]

They will sort it out the same way they did when the INNOCENT kid was shot in the face for reaching for his (REQUIRED BY THE GOVERNMENT) seat belt after he was ordered out of the car.

That's what I mean. The cops tactical training has them so damned juiced that they overreact. The odds are good that the guy who shot the dog is a trigger-happy incompentent. But what if he wasn't, and was simply following the departmental tactical guidelines? The department cheerfully dumps the guy as a scapegoat, and we'll see the same crap again next year. It is imperative that police tactics be demilitarized, and this is a good place to start that. But calling for the cop's head before we get more facts is counterproductive.

[Stew Padasso]

I agree. Any act of self defense against police whether it is canine or moron will only get you shot.

[dirtboy]

Anyone who challenges the status quo will be attacked, you know that. Challenging law enforcement will only be met with the usual smears of paranoid, black helicopter etc. etc.

I don't think they'll be able to pull that off here. Shooting the family pooch resonates with mainstream America. The goal here should be to use this matter as a springboard to tone down the hardass level of current law enforcement - because if we simply go after the cop, the system can ditch him as a scapegoat and escape scrutiny.