[RightWhale]

The just war. St Augustine. The Crusades.

That's right. The Crusades.

We assert our right to self defense. Is it a just war? No, it is not a war at all. It is self defense and we gain nothing but the status quo and the ability to go on about our business unmolested.

There is no just war here. There is no war here at all. This is self-defense.

[cornelis]

A New Debate Emerges ["Just War", the Vatican, and the UN]

[cornelis]

There is no just war here. There is no war here at all. This is self-defense.

"Just War requires that a country act defensively only"

[heyheyhey]

To keep the record straight ...

St. Augustine of Hippo: 354-430 AD

The Crusades: 1095-1291 AD

Time gap between the death of St. Augustine and the First Crusade -- 665 YEARS

[logos]

There is no just war here. There is no war here at all. This is self-defense.

I don't wish to be contentious here, but I don't understand your definition of "war" at all. As far as I know war may be either offensive or defensive, or both at the same time. It may also be just or unjust. Whichever it is in any given situation, however, when men of opposing nations or factions are killing each other en masse, especially to further political objectives, then it's a war.