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Mark Steyn: Can America be serious?
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 01/11/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/09/2003 9:07:42 AM PST by Pokey78

Mark Steyn dismisses European sneering, but says that Bush must act soon to avert disaster

New Hampshire

What’s up with North Korea? Your guess is as good as mine and probably rather better than Kim Jong-Il’s. Even if you figure out a rational reason for why he’s chosen this particular time to play nuclear brinkmanship, it’s unlikely, by its very rationality, to be his reason.

Nonetheless, it’s merely the latest gift to those in the West opposed to war with Iraq. Whether or not the ‘axis of evil’ holds regular board meetings, there does seem to be a remarkable amount of interdepartmental co-ordination. For a year now, whenever the Americans look set to take on Saddam, some fortuitous diversion has come along: last spring’s ferocious intensification of the Palestinian intifada, Crown Prince Abdullah’s entirely fictitious peace plan, and now North Korea’s nuclear capability. The idea, eagerly taken up by the West’s many Saddamites, is that Iraq is something you never get around to: oh, no, you gotta put Baghdad on the back burner till you solve the Palestinian question, North Korea’s nuclear stand-off, the East Midlands borough council reorganisation crisis, whatever.

Well, Baghdad’s been on the back burner for a year now. The war has lost all momentum and both America’s serious enemies and her knockabout disparagers have been emboldened. If Saddam had been toppled to the cheers of a grateful populace last spring, among other consequences Yasser would be out of office, the ayatollahs would be packing, the House of Saud would be feeling the squeeze of lower oil prices, Boy Assad would have changed course so fast he might actually merit that invite to tea with the Queen, and the European anti-war movement would not have swollen inexorably in inverse proportion to the amount of actual war. Whether Kim Jong-Il would still have decided to go in for a couple of rounds of No Dong braggadocio is harder to say. (No Dong’s the name of his missile, by the way.) But in doing so he’s given endless pleasure to the legions of anti-American Europeans and anti-Bush Democrats, all now solemnly huffing about the ‘inconsistencies’ of the President’s approach to the axis of evil: why is Bush so hot for war with Iraq, which hasn’t yet got weapons of mass destruction, but not with North Korea, which already has? It’s obvious that Pyongyang’s the bigger threat but that Bush can’t get over Saddam because he wants to avenge his father, seize the oil, blah blah blah.

Oh, come on. I know nothing’s happened for 12 months and we pundits are staggering around punchily landing ever feebler blows on each other, but this argument is pathetic. The time to stop Saddam is before he gets nukes. Once he’s got ’em, it’s over. Kim Jong-Il is no threat at all, at least not to the United States. He could conceivably have an advanced Dong capable of hitting San Diego, but, if it ever did, it would be the last thing he or anybody else in North Korea ever did. If Psycho Boy really feels the need to fire his Dong at someone, Tokyo or Vancouver would be far more interesting targets: how would a non-nuclear power respond? A strong resolution at the UN?

But the only damage he can do to America he’s mostly already done. In the eight years since Bill Clinton and Nobel Peanut Prize winner Jimmy Carter brokered their ‘breakthrough’ ‘agreement’ with North Korea, Pyongyang has been enormously ‘helpful’ to Iran’s and Pakistan’s nuclear programmes. Had Pakistan still been in the hands of Nawaz Sharif, last year’s nuke stand-off with India might have gone very differently. Iran is on its way to a No Dong capable of hitting Israel, and, as Hashemi Rafsanjani, one of those famous Iranian moderates, has said, the day the Muslim world gets a deliverable nuclear weapon the Israeli question will be settled for ever. And, of course, these are only the clients of Pyongyang that we know about. North Korea is an economic basket-case with nothing to sell but its Dong. It seems reasonable to assume that several well-funded freelances — the ‘non-state actors’, as they say — have also made their pilgrimage to Pyongyang.

It would be interesting to see Kim Jong-Il’s shipping invoices, but that’s about the only real stake America has in North Korea. Next time anyone goes on about the ‘inconsistencies’ of Bush’s approach to Baghdad and Pyongyang, pull out an atlas. Iraq is a big shot in a region of turbulent flop states; North Korea is a pitiful little freak show surrounded by world powers and economic success stories. Saddam is the new Saladin, an inspiration to millions of Arab males in Syria, Jordan, Saudi and the Palestinian Authority; nobody in South Korea, China, Russia or Japan wants to be like Kim Jong-Il or have anything to do with his parochial, irrelevant, unexportable ‘juche’ ideology. On Wall Street in the old greed-is-good days, they used to call hotshot traders BSDs — Big Swinging Dongs. That’s what Saddam is: the Big Swinging Dong of Araby. And, say what you like, it seems to impress George Galloway. By contrast, North Korea is literally the No Dong state. Take a look at a satellite picture of the peninsula by night: South Korea ablaze in electric light, the North in darkness. In Far East Asia, North Korea’s the hole in the doughnut.

Saddam wants weapons of mass destruction in order to cow his immediate neighbours and neuter some more distant ones, such as Europe — by ‘neuter’, I mean that the EU’s present theoretically reversible vasectomy vis-à-vis Iraq would be turned into full-scale castration. In so far as he’s burning to nuke anyone, it’s Israel; and he’ll give that one some thought before pressing the button. He might support some rogue terrorists with plans to hit the US, if he thought he could get away with it.

Kim Jong-Il’s psycho state, on the other hand, is a pipsqueak in the shadow of two big-time nuclear players, China and Russia. It has no hope of regional dominance. Its conventional forces — an army reliant on aging weaponry with few spare parts — couldn’t seriously threaten the south with invasion and occupation. All Pyongyang could do is drop the big one on Seoul — if it decided it wanted to go out like those New Hampshire crazies in the last months of winter who get the cabin fever so bad they can’t take being shut up with the missus any longer and blow her away and then themselves.

Assuming that even Kim Jong-Il isn’t that nuts, what we have is a Cold War backwater trying to reinvent itself. Its neighbours — South Korea, Japan and China — have grown rich by making export products designed to appeal to Western consumerism. Kim figures North Korea can grow rich by making export products designed to appeal to Islamic terrorists and rogue states. How lucrative this speciality mail-order market is remains to be seen, but its long-term growth potential must be in doubt. For the most part, Kim would be selling his cut-price Dongs to groups who are anxious to use them. The moment they do, and the provenance is traced, North Korea’s role as quartermaster to the world’s wackos will be over. In the Middle East, nukes would elevate Saddam to invulnerability. In North Korea, they’re the death spasm of a state with no raison d’être. Saddam has viable ambitions. Kim doesn’t.

That’s why the EU schadenfreude set may be wrong to assume that the present public face of the Bush administration — its ‘nonchalance’, as my fellow Canadian David Warren puts it — is an unconvincing pose beneath which everyone’s in a state of blind panic. I don’t think so. North Korea is a temporary problem that may offer some long-term benefits to the US. Hardly anyone in Washington is enthusiastic about the present massive troop commitment to South Korea, a 50-year-old ceasefire preserved in aspic, a M*A*S*H rerun that never ends. Plenty of ingrates in the South want the Yanks out. The Chinese and Russians are pally with Seoul these days, and, judging from his offer to ‘mediate’ between the US and the North, the South’s new unfriendly President Roh doesn’t seem to understand that Uncle Sam’s there to defend him and for no other reason. For some years now, the Americans have been stuck in the middle getting screwed by Koreans North and South. Given the antipathy of their Southern hosts, those 37,000 US troops serve no useful purpose except as potential nuclear hostages in the event that the North decides to go for the big one.

Once you start looking at the broader picture, the obvious question is: why should the US be the point man on Korea anyway? Given that there’s a sporting chance that some of those long-range Dongs will be used in certain troublesome Russian republics, Moscow has as great an interest as Washington in putting the squeeze on Pyongyang. True, China, which recently shipped 20 tons of tributyl phosphate to North Korea for extracting plutonium from their stockpile of spent reactor fuel, seems noticeably reluctant to apply any pressure to its neighbour. But, if they’re that relaxed about nuclear proliferation in their backyard, then, as the Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer suggests, Washington should toss ’em a wild card: how about a nuclear Japan?

In other words, the US should use this crisis to its advantage. It needs fewer infantrymen hunkered down among the landmines in the DMZ and more ships tracking suspicious cargo heading west. But, in a more general sense, it also needs to disentangle itself from non-essential issues and leave them on some other folks’ plates. Unfortunately, Washington now has a timing problem: it would look like a capitulation to pull troops out of the constrained timewarp of the DMZ, unless such a withdrawal were agreed, say, a week after Saddam was blown to pieces in his bunker. Inaction in Korea is only a problem because of a year of inaction everywhere else.

A couple of weeks back in this space, I made a passing reference to ‘rope-a-dope’ — the much promoted theory under which the administration’s apparent lethargy this last year is all part of some cunning bluff. Even if it were true, a man like Kim Jong-Il reminds us of the perils of this approach: crazy as he is, it’s unlikely he’d be crying ‘Look at me! Over here, you moronic cowboy!’ if Bush had already killed Saddam and set in motion the remaking of the Middle East. The 13 months since the liberation of Afghanistan allowed Kim to figure that the US isn’t serious. When Saddam looks out the window and sees Hans Blix motoring around in his UN minibus, he concludes likewise. So do Hamas and Hezbollah. And those ill-disciplined Pakistani border guards who fired on US troops the other day. And the al-Qa’eda sleepers in Amsterdam and London and Montreal. And all the other likely customers of Kim’s going-for-a-Dong discount warehouse.

Every month that passes without the Americans using force against Iraq increases North Korea’s potential client list. That’s the linkage, and the deterioration in perception this last year is at least as damaging as any actual capability in Pyongyang’s arsenal. If Saddam’s still in power by May, the world’s in big trouble.


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KEYWORDS: kimjongil; marksteyn; marksteynlist; nodong
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1 posted on 01/09/2003 9:07:42 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

2 posted on 01/09/2003 9:09:09 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Why aren't people screaming for Bush to go to the UN about North Korea? Then, after 10 years of no compliance, we could do something about it.
3 posted on 01/09/2003 9:12:12 AM PST by Howlin (I cannot stop playing Collapse II -- HELP ME!)
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To: Pokey78
Good post.
4 posted on 01/09/2003 9:22:47 AM PST by Joseph_CutlerUSA
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To: scholar; Bullish
Ping
5 posted on 01/09/2003 9:25:59 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: Howlin
I've used up the trial version of Collapse II. If I buy it, I'd never stop. hehe
6 posted on 01/09/2003 9:28:43 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: Joseph_CutlerUSA
How can he claim that the war against Saddam is on "the back burner". A massive build up in underway. France just said they will join the battle. Seems war, on our time table, is inevitable.
7 posted on 01/09/2003 9:29:08 AM PST by DManA
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To: Pokey78
M.S. bump.
8 posted on 01/09/2003 9:34:15 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Pokey78
Let's see if I understand this - KJI of DPRK theatens war if we don't give him a non-aggression pact... The USA says that DPRK should abide by the treaties it has signed.

Should I hold my breath until Babs, Asner, Baldwin and the other peacekooks march off to Pyongyang to beg KJI for peace?

Nah - they'll complain about the USA threatening DPRK with all those modern weapons at the DMZ.
9 posted on 01/09/2003 9:37:50 AM PST by RandyRep
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To: Pokey78; Howlin
I have enough trouble with the original Collapse. I am not about to download the new version...it will be like when my son got Mario Brothers and my husband and I played until 2AM. LOL!
10 posted on 01/09/2003 9:45:39 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
But, if they’re that relaxed about nuclear proliferation in their backyard, then, as the Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer suggests, Washington should toss ’em a wild card: how about a nuclear Japan?

Thats a great suggestion. I'll even one up them - how about a nuclear Taiwan? The communists will always connive with one another to enslave free peoples.

11 posted on 01/09/2003 9:48:43 AM PST by KC_Conspirator ((I cannot stop playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, I need help myself))
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To: Pokey78
I'm afraid I can't understand these guys whining about the delay. Read the weather statistics. Nobody in his right mind wants to fight in Iraq any time other than the winter. We'll probably invade just about the same time we did in Gulf War I.
12 posted on 01/09/2003 9:55:24 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Pokey78
"China . . . recently shipped 20 tons of tributyl phosphate to North Korea for extracting plutonium from their stockpile of spent reactor fuel"

If we had folks on the ball in DC, we'd blow up the tributyl phosphate shipment and deny any involvement. I.e., practical nonproliferation policy instead of State Department B.S.

13 posted on 01/09/2003 10:01:53 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: KC_Conspirator
Bump
14 posted on 01/09/2003 10:02:28 AM PST by MrConfettiMan (I can't stop playing Metroid Prime or Star Fox Adventures on my GCN.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Exactly. Let's give one to our friends!

as Hashemi Rafsanjani, one of those famous Iranian moderates, has said, the day the Muslim world gets a deliverable nuclear weapon the Israeli question will be settled for ever.

A horrific thought. I wonder what Babs thinks about Israel.

15 posted on 01/09/2003 10:09:10 AM PST by Howlin (I cannot stop playing Collapse II -- HELP ME!)
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To: Pokey78
I could not agree more with Steyn's analysis in this piece. As much as I love and respect President Bush, I've got a sinking feeling that there will NOT be any war in Iraq to take out Saddam. The longer Blix, Anan, and the Leftists who infest the UN get to play in their sandbox, the weaker the case for war appears to the general public. By all accounts, the president chose to take Colin Powell's route through the UN. I increasingly fear it may have been a massive mistake. In any event, I sure don't see Powell working very hard to push the UN to do the right thing.
16 posted on 01/09/2003 10:25:32 AM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the post and ping, Pokey! This bears repeating !!

By contrast, North Korea is literally the No Dong state. Take a look at a satellite picture of the peninsula by night: South Korea ablaze in electric light, the North in darkness. In Far East Asia, North Korea’s the hole in the doughnut.

17 posted on 01/09/2003 10:31:23 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (http://muffin.eggheads.org/images/funny/dogsmile.jpg)
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To: Pokey78
The time to stop Saddam is before he gets nukes.

Saddam doesn't need nukes. He already has anthrax, and is therefore quite invulnerable, unfortunately. There is just no getting around that reality.

18 posted on 01/09/2003 10:34:25 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: Pokey78
If I read this article aright, we'd better have the CIA keep an eye on the comings and goings of Long Dong Silver.
19 posted on 01/09/2003 10:38:09 AM PST by Imal
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To: DManA
How can he claim that the war against Saddam is on "the back burner". A massive build up in underway. France just said they will join the battle. Seems war, on our time table, is inevitable.

You bring out a couple of good points that Steyn doesn't.

First, much of our military was run down by the klintons, and they've fought tooth-and-nail, through the democRAT party, to prevent it from being rebuilt.

Second, our military industrial capacity has been weakened, again thanks to the RATS. The weaponry that should have been restocked after Gulf War I was instead further depleted by Bill using it to influence the daily news cycle whenever his ass was in legal trouble.

Third, Bill and Hitlery sucked up to terrorists of all kinds, and Bush has had to work hard to convince the world that America is under new management, and countries have to choose between helping, or being listed in the footnotes of the "axis of evil".

The "delay" has been used to fix our weaknesses, and undo some of the damage caused by Bill and Hitlery, who harmed America far more than the raghead terrorists could ever aspire to. My personal prediction is that Gulf War 2 will last less than a week, and will have so much high-tech razzle-dazzle that scenes from Gulf War 1 will look like slogging through the trenches of World War 1.

20 posted on 01/09/2003 10:39:33 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: Pokey78
Steyn & Krauthammer's words in the same article- simply the best two conservative columnists alive! And how about that, both are Canadian! EH?




21 posted on 01/09/2003 10:43:32 AM PST by US admirer
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To: Pokey78
A.F.B.........Absolutely friggin' brilliant..
22 posted on 01/09/2003 10:54:51 AM PST by ken5050
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To: 300winmag
I hope you're right bu thow much longer do we need to postion everyone? We've had a year since the wind-down in Afghanistan. Is the administration doing this to show that we exhausted all possibilities before opening war or does some other motive exist?
23 posted on 01/09/2003 10:56:48 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78
Best Line: If Psycho Boy really feels the need to fire his Dong at someone, Tokyo or Vancouver would be far more interesting targets: how would a non-nuclear power respond? A strong resolution at the UN? What would Long Duck Dong say about all this?
24 posted on 01/09/2003 10:59:28 AM PST by Anoy11_
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To: Pokey78
Well, Baghdad’s been on the back burner for a year now. The war has lost all momentum and both America’s serious enemies and her knockabout disparagers have been emboldened. If Saddam had been toppled to the cheers of a grateful populace last spring, among other consequences Yasser would be out of office...

The guy makes it sound like we could have done it last spring. My own read is that we didn't have the inventory to do it. Basically, Clinton had sold off too much of our military inventory for DNC donations.

Last spring I called a guy about some question regarding a barrel for a target rifle and the guy told me he didn't have time for any sort of civilian firearm business just then, that he was working 24-hour days and seven day weeks making machinegun barrels. The United States was basically out of machinegun barrels. That's a simple basic item which we should have warehouses full of. A machinegun can only fire a couple of hundred shots before you switch the barrel and let the one you just used cool off. A machinegun crew consists of the gunner, a guy to load ammo belts, and a third guy to change barrels. The idea of the United States having run out of machinegun barrels is unbelievable. It's also unbelievable that the Bush administration has somehow or other gotten our inventories up enouth to do something for Iraq in the short time he's had. He inherited a total unbelievable mess.

25 posted on 01/09/2003 11:09:36 AM PST by merak
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To: Pokey78; Imal
Is this guy Steyn a writer or what? :-)

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Dong braggadocio

No Dong’s the name of his missile

He could conceivably have an advanced Dong

If Psycho Boy really feels the need to fire his Dong at someone

nothing to sell but its Dong

That’s what Saddam is: the Big Swinging Dong of Araby

North Korea is literally the No Dong state

long-range Dongs

Sorry

26 posted on 01/09/2003 11:26:01 AM PST by Hornetsrule
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To: merak
So, did you you ever get your rifle barrel?
27 posted on 01/09/2003 11:29:12 AM PST by Paul Ross ( Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me!)
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To: US admirer
Steyn & Krauthammer's words in the same article- simply the best two conservative columnists alive! And how about that, both are Canadian! EH?

Krauthammer Canadian? I don't think so. Her grew up in Montreal but is an american by birth. See...

Charles Krauthammer was born in 1950 in New York City. He grew up in Montreal and was educated at McGill University (B A. with First Class Honors in Political Science and Economics, 1970), Oxford University (Commonwealth Scholar in Politics at Balliol College, 1970-71), and Harvard University (MD, Harvard Medical School, 1975). From 1975-78 he practiced medicine as a Resident and then Chief Resident in Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital His scientific papers, including his co-discovery of a form of manic-depressive illness, are still frequently cited in the psychiatric literature.

He be one smart dude though.

28 posted on 01/09/2003 11:47:23 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Pokey78
The American and European medias, NOT TO FORGET THE HOLLYWEIRDOS AND USEFUL IDIOTS- I CALL SCORCESE THIS- live in a parrelell universe where none of this is "REALLY" happening.
29 posted on 01/09/2003 11:50:51 AM PST by Helms
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To: Pokey78
Sure N. Korea is a problem - but they haven't been ignoring/violating UN resolutions for more than a decade. This is a recent development, and it is wise to attempt to work it out diplomatically first. With Saddam, we've tried that for a very long time. It's time to act.
31 posted on 01/09/2003 12:02:54 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: Pokey78
While I greatly admire Steyn as a writer, I trust W a whole lot more in the deployment of our military. Thanks for the ping.
33 posted on 01/09/2003 12:17:14 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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34 posted on 01/09/2003 12:27:44 PM PST by Paul Ross ( Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me!)
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To: Paul Ross
Thanks for the heads up!
35 posted on 01/09/2003 12:58:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: DManA
How can he claim that the war against Saddam is on "the back burner". A massive build up in underway. France just said they will join the battle. Seems war, on our time table, is inevitable.



I think Steyn predicted that a war would start before Sep 11, 2002. so he must be feeling a little antsy.
36 posted on 01/09/2003 2:16:14 PM PST by maica
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To: maica
France just said they will join the battle.

Well then, somebody must have told them something that scared them.

37 posted on 01/09/2003 2:47:04 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: Pokey78
A Steyn BUMP!
38 posted on 01/09/2003 2:59:35 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Wolfstar
I agree that the policy of the Bush administration seems not now to be assertive concerted action, damn the UN, damn the critics...
It seems the policy now is no policy....the NK debacle we are witnessing makes me wonder if Gore did not actually steal the election and slip into the WH....
Lets face it...if Klinton were following the policies that W is doing in NK this forum would be HOWLING at him...and anyone being honest knows it...
As for Iraq.....what's been the BS we've heard...even some on this forum?? I remember some arrogant, ignorant Conservatives were chortling last January that "There'll be American soldiers in Baghdad by May 2002" hehe
Then it was what?? Oct 7.....the moon and all that....Freepers charting the moon to see when "it will begin" And then it was November....oh yes...just had to happen in November....
Bush was NOT going to let the UN play games was he?? Was he??? ......
Now its February....oh of course it'll happen in February won't it?? of course......
Now we hear "the UK is urging wait till Autumn...."
What do want to bet...that some elements of BUSH's administration put the Brits up to saying this so we'll have more excuse to do NOTHING??
Seems to me that is plausible....
I know most of you think I'm nuts and that W is some kind of all-knowing, all-seeing Poker player who is cleverly cornering our enemies and duping the UN....
Sorry....I don't buy it...the only ones getting duped and poked are we.....
Thanks, John
39 posted on 01/09/2003 3:24:51 PM PST by JohnOG
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To: Pokey78
Steyn bump.
40 posted on 01/09/2003 3:27:21 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: The Great Satan
Hi Satan: Even though I believe the anthrax used in the 2001 attacks came from Iraq, I have hoped against hope that it would not deter the president from taking Hussein out. But lately, despite the military build-up, the rhetoric coming from both the U.S. and Britain has softened a lot. I think even if the president still wants to go after Hussein, so much time and momentum have been wasted that I fear public opinion may have swung against doing it. Maybe I'm over-reacting, but something just "feels" different. I mean, when the President of the United States says that Hussein "still has time," I take that as a signal we are backing away from a confrontation.
41 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:28 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Paul Ross
Way cool graphic. Did you create it? If not, where did you acquire it?
42 posted on 01/09/2003 4:25:12 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Pokey78
another excellent article by Steyn. And I was just asked about Iraq vs. Korea the other day...which should be of more concern and why. I'll print this out and let my friend read so many valid points.
43 posted on 01/09/2003 4:30:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Wolfstar
Or buying time?
44 posted on 01/09/2003 4:32:34 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Wolfstar
Once you understand the implications of the sample of powder contained in the letter to Daschle, the whole situation becomes transparently clear. OTOH, if you don't understand the implications of that powder, you haven't a hope in hell of understanding what has been happening the last 16 months.
45 posted on 01/09/2003 4:32:52 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
What do you believe is the reason the administration even bothered to go down this saber-rattling path with Iraq despite the anthrax attacks?
46 posted on 01/09/2003 4:55:02 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar
I could not agree more with Steyn's analysis in this piece. As much as I love and respect President Bush, I've got a sinking feeling that there will NOT be any war in Iraq to take out Saddam.

And just what do you think the tens of thousands of reserves are being called up from their civilian jobs and sent to the gulf at a cost of billions of dollars for?

We are going in when we are ready. We don't need to prove anything ahead of time. There will be plenty of proof afterward.

47 posted on 01/09/2003 5:04:32 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Allan
Bump
48 posted on 01/09/2003 5:05:32 PM PST by Allan
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To: Wolfstar
I'm with you wolfie...great Steyn article.
49 posted on 01/09/2003 5:09:42 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Pokey78
Take a look at a satellite picture of the peninsula by night: South Korea ablaze in electric light, the North in darkness.

OK, Mark, we will:


North Korea at Night

50 posted on 01/09/2003 5:15:44 PM PST by beckett
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