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Mark Steyn: Can America be serious?
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 01/11/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/09/2003 9:07:42 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
"In Far East Asia, North Korea’s the hole in the doughnut."
61 posted on 01/10/2003 1:51:15 AM PST by Turbodog
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To: Anoy11_
"If Psycho Boy really feels the need to fire his Dong at someone, Tokyo or Vancouver would be far more interesting targets: how would a non-nuclear power respond? A strong resolution at the UN?"

I'll tell you exactly how they'd respond: Watch the opening scene of The Godfather, and imagine Dubya as Don Corleone and Chretien as Bonasera.

62 posted on 01/10/2003 3:17:24 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: JohnOG; JohnHuang2; rightwing2; Travis McGee
Signed up 1-06-2003.

Welcome. I think we are now almost at the post-mortem phase of diagnosing the Bush foreign policy debacle. Even the BushBots have gotten rather quiet lately regarding GWB's clear and blatant weakness on North Korea.

The David Frum book makes no bones about identifying the culprit here. The policy source for the continued Clinton/Gore-ineptitude and spineless American policy of 'Speaking Loudly and Carry a Big Carrot...and pretend we have a stick' -- Colin Powell

63 posted on 01/10/2003 5:17:37 AM PST by Paul Ross ( Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me!)
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To: MeeknMing; Jabba the Tutt; Redcloak

Thanks for the post and ping, Pokey! This bears repeating !!

By contrast, North Korea is literally the No Dong state. Take a look at a satellite picture of the peninsula by night: South Korea ablaze in electric light, the North in darkness.
In Far East Asia, North Korea’s the hole in the doughnut.
See also:
The Earth at night in lights or a map of civilization

Your Opinion/Questions Miscellaneous Keywords: EARTH, NIGHT, LIGHTS
Source: NASA
Published: unknown Author: Satellite photos
Posted on 12/11/2000 06:16:36 PST by Jabba the Tutt
This post is a big composite picture taken by satellites of the entire cloudless Earth at night. You can see what is in effect a map of civilization outlined by electric lights. Interesting if you like this kind of thing, a sure miss if you don't. Depending on your connection, it could take a way to download. You've been warned...
CLICK HERE for more
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To: Jabba the Tutt

Several things come to mind looking at this picture. The first is how bloody far I have to drive out into the So. Cal. desert to use my telescope. There's a tiny, little patch of ground where I can escape LA's lights without starting to see Las Vegas. The second thing I think of is just how out of luck you people are back east. At least I don't have to drive to Canada to find dark skies.

It's also interesting to notice the difference between the Workers' paradise of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and the decadent, capitalist oppressors how occupy the southern half of the Korean peninsula. Oh sure, they have to eat twigs and grass to survive, but they have nice, dark skies overhead. And to think that we could miss out on a President that could make America that kind of paradise! If only Al's pregnant chads had gone to term.

</sarcasm>

41 Posted on 12/11/2000 08:02:03 PST by Redcloak


64 posted on 01/10/2003 5:44:12 AM PST by RonDog
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the pic of Mark Steyn> He's not only a fabulous pundit, he's cute too.
65 posted on 01/10/2003 6:03:59 AM PST by happygrl
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To: JohnOG
Is it just possible that Bush will order surprise strikes/attacks against Iraq (without informing our 'allies' and the all-knowing media)? Is it possible that he has not tipped his hand to anyone? I personally believe that he has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing.
66 posted on 01/10/2003 7:30:04 AM PST by Joan912
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To: RonDog
There's a shot of the entire Earth at night which this is a part of. When I first glanced at the Western Pacific, I did a double take. It was like looking at a map that was misdrawn. I had to look carefully to see that South Korea wasn't being shown as an island.
67 posted on 01/10/2003 8:49:55 AM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: The Great Satan
Good point. But at the moment, the "chess game" is looking awfully uncertain for our side. I'm particularly worried about the public relations aspects of all this, because the president will need every bit of public support he can get as events proceed.
69 posted on 01/10/2003 9:38:54 AM PST by Wolfstar
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To: RonDog
Man. That map shows the N. Korean doughnut hole perfectly. It's amazing. Thanks !!

I bookmarked that map/article...

70 posted on 01/10/2003 10:02:06 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Just for grins: http://muffin.eggheads.org/images/funny/dogsmile.jpg)
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To: Wolfstar
The option of an immediate retaliatory strike is off the table, because of the credible WMD threat against the US population implicit in the anthrax letters sent by sleeper agents right after 9/11. So, one has to consider what options Bush is left with.

One option would be to succumb to the blackmail, blame the whole thing on freelance terrorists, and give Saddam a pass -- let the whole 9/11 thing go with a nod and a wink, in other words. This was Clinton's response the first time Hussein tried to topple the WTC, back in '93. Obviously, it wasn't a very successful strategy, except for Clinton.

Another option would be to go public on Saddam's authorship of 9/11 and his anthrax threat, and use that to turn the whole world solidly against Saddam. I thought Bush was going to do this on the 9/11 anniversary. There were lots of hints that he would do it in the run-up to the anniversary, if you were watching closely. In the event, it looks more like this was brinkmanship, probably intended to back up the overtures to Saddam to take exile which were already going on. If that's the case, it obviously didn't work. The upside of exposing Saddam is that it would initial stiffen the backbone of our allies and the UN. The downside is that we would still be powerless to retaliate, the economy would go into the tank due to the perpetual threat of a devastating war hanging over our heads, and we would have used up a key bargaining chip in the effort to squeeze Saddam Hussein -- he can only be exposed once.

The last option I can see is the one we are pursuing now. Stall for time. Keep the issues of Iraqi authorship of 9/11 and the anthrax threats unresolved and ambiguous in the public mind. Build a coalition against Saddam. Build our civil defenses so that the bioweapons threat can be at least somewhat blunted. Isolate Saddam. Ramp up the pressure gradually, step by step, over the course of months and years, until his position becomes untenable. Exploit the best card we have -- that we can always expose him, any time we want -- to keep the heat on. Probably the next phase of this is that we will force the issue of pulling out those scientists. We can kill a lot of time doing this, force Saddam to lie and cheat in the eyes of the world even more, and perhaps gain valuable intelligence on what he has up his sleeve for Armageddon. Meanwhile, with the public in the dark about 9/11, Bush looks like the tough guy, and not the helpless victim. The whole strategy leverages Bush's natural enemies -- the UN, the media, the peaceniks, the euro-weenies, etc. -- because they help him stall while making him look alternately like a pragmatist and a tough guy. This is classic Bush political jujitsu, is it not?

71 posted on 01/10/2003 11:31:17 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: Redcloak
:o)
72 posted on 01/10/2003 11:34:22 AM PST by RonDog
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Watching Bush conduct war is like watching the Superbowl with the players pirouetting around the field in ballet tutu's. We prance around around the world stage wasting time while our enemies, including our homegrown ones, grow every day bolder. To paraphrase Michael Savage, "If we had conducted WWII like this "Some of us would have wound up as a lampshade or a bar of soap".
For an ALTERNATIVE (and more optimistic) view of President Bush's "rope-a-dope" strategery - vis-a-vis the RATs and Saddam, see:

Entrapment by Bush: He plays Democrats for fools, and they always rise to his bait
American Prowler ^ | 01/10/03 | David Hogberg
Posted on 01/09/2003 9:47 PM PST by Pokey78

As I was waiting for my flight back to Iowa last Friday I scanned an article in USA Today about the Bush economic stimulus package. It reported that the Presidents' advisers stated the "proposal will likely exclude top-tier taxpayers in an effort to fend off Democratic criticism that his tax programs pander to the rich." As the plane headed for flyover country, I jotted some notes for a possible column on how Bush was engaging in both bad politics and bad policy.

Then on Sunday the Bush Administration released the full details of the plan: $674 billion in tax relief that included eliminating the tax on dividends and reducing income-tax rates for all income-tax payers. So much for excluding the rich. Fortunately, I hadn't written the column as the NFL Playoffs intervened. (Hey, gotta have priorities.) But I was left scratching my head as to why the Bush Administration would hint at placating the Democrats in the first place.

As I thought more about it, it became increasingly apparent that it was part of a strategy that the Bush Administration has employed for some time to put the Democrats in a box. It might be called "entrapment with a twist." It works as follows:

Act Helpless. In this step the Bushies leak stories to the press making the Administration look weak. The Administration may appear as though it lacks focus. Other times it may act as though it's afraid of the opposition. The point is to let the Democrats smell blood in the water. In the case of the economic stimulus package, the Bush Administration acted wary of Democrats' class-warfare rhetoric, and so hinted it might drop tax cuts for top income earners.

Wait for Democrats to Pounce. The appearance of weakness naturally induces the Democrats to attack. And as the Bush Administration surely knows, it will be an attack that pleases the Democrats' base. Over the weekend, prominent Donks turned up the class-warfare rhetoric. The Bush tax cuts would help "the wealthiest Americans" fumed then-impending Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle. In an ironic choice of words, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi complained that the Bush plan was a "Trojan Horse to wheel in some tax breaks for the high end that they're so fond of." Trojan Horse indeed.

Spring the Trap. Once the Democrats have committed themselves to a line of attack, the Bush Administration ensnares them by pursuing a policy which forces the Democrats to either anger their base or alienate moderates. In his economic stimulus package, Bush not only has the supply-side tax cuts that please conservatives, he also has items that appeal to moderates, like income-tax cuts for the middle and lower class and "Re-Employment Accounts." Congressional Democrats now face a very unpleasant choice. They can vote against the President's plan thereby voting against the items that please moderate voters. Or they can risk dispiriting their base by voting for a plan that includes tax cuts for the "wealthy." Heads Bush wins, tails Democrats lose.

The "Twist." The twist to this strategy is that the Bush Administration also intends for its appearance of weakness to provoke criticism from the political right as well. For example, last week at the Daily Standard, Fred Barnes griped "Somebody tell the Bush White House that Republicans now control the Senate….Somehow the idea got planted at the White House that a watered-down tax cut, less susceptible to Democratic attacks, would be better politically for the president." It seems to me that this has two important psychological effects. First, seeing the president attacked from the right emboldens the Democrats, making them all the more likely to pounce. Second, when the president actually releases a plan that has plenty of conservative ideas, the right heaves a great sigh of relief, and becomes energized and eager to do battle for Bush. Not surprisingly, in Tuesday's National Review Online Larry Kudlow gushed, "President Bush has surprised everyone with his decision to propose a big-bang economic growth package."

The Bush Administration has used this strategy at least since last year, when it rolled the Democrats on the War Against Iraq...

CLICK HERE for more
Perhaps Dubya is working similar magic with the North Koreans?
73 posted on 01/10/2003 11:40:57 AM PST by RonDog
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To: JohnOG
Snookered is the term, i think.
74 posted on 01/10/2003 11:44:03 AM PST by swarthyguy (While America Slept)
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To: JohnHuang2
Right-on, John!

Be Well - Be Armed - Be Safe - Molon Labe!
75 posted on 01/10/2003 1:22:38 PM PST by blackie
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To: The Great Satan
A sampling of Clinton's fecklessness (shown on Meet the Press, September 15, 2002:
MR. RUSSERT: On September 11th, former President Clinton appeared on "The David Letterman Show" and offered some words of advice. Let me show you what they were about the war:
(Videotape, September 11, 2002):
FORMER PRES. BILL CLINTON: You're looking at a couple of weeks of bombing, and then I'd be astonished if this campaign took more than a week, astonished.
...MR. RUSSERT: One concern that was raised is if we begin to build up for a military operation, would Saddam Hussein try his own pre-emptive strike. Again, here's President Clinton:
(Videotape, September 11, 2002):

MR. CLINTON: But if he's got these stocks of chemical and biological weapons and if he knows he's toast, don't you think he'll use what he can and give away what he can't to people who will be using them on us for years to come, so he can have the last laugh?
(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Would we, in effect, put Saddam in a position where he would use his chemical and biological weapons before we had a chance to be ready?

SEC'Y POWELL: These are all hypotheticals which are charming to talk about in late-night talk shows, but I think that a serious show like this morning, we should not just wildly speculate about what he might or might not do. We know what capability he has and you can be sure that all of that has been factored into whatever planning we are doing now.


76 posted on 01/10/2003 1:39:37 PM PST by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby; Mitchell; Shermy; aristeides; Nita Nuprez; thinden
Thanks for the transcript Wallaby.
77 posted on 01/10/2003 2:00:11 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: The Great Satan
Your analysis makes a great deal of sense, especially because it is the only such analysis that seems to fit all that's happened to date. I caught Krauthammer's subtle hint about anthrax in his latest column and immediately thought of you. My gut instinct tells me that the Administration (and smart observers like Krauthammer) suspects the anthrax came from Iraq, but they can't proove it to an undeniable certainty.

My entire career has been spent in writing and public communications, spanning the gamut from public relations, to journalism, to participation on various political campaigns (as a volunteer). So I naturally tune into the PR aspects of public issues. PR-wise, the president does not have an indefinite amount of time to stall. The longer weenies like Blix are calling the shots (or appear to be), the more support for action in Iraq will erode.

In the meantime, some behind-the-scenes actor has obviously encouraged North Korea to cause trouble now. That further limits the President's options and PR horizon vis a vis Iraq. An ugly, ugly, ugly situation all around.

78 posted on 01/10/2003 2:59:00 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: The Great Satan
This is classic Bush political jujitsu, is it not?

Good analysis and an interesting read.

Another name for it is 'Texas politics.'

79 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:06 PM PST by Nita Nuprez
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To: Wallaby
Interesting quote.
80 posted on 01/10/2003 9:54:20 PM PST by The Great Satan
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