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Ditka: Smoke won't hurt you
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 10, 2003 | FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 01/10/2003 7:41:00 PM PST by Max McGarrity

Secondhand smoke "might make your hair smell," but it's not a proven health risk, Bears-coach-turned-restaurant-owner Mike Ditka said Thursday, leading the charge against a proposed restaurant smoking ban in Chicago.

With a cigar in one hand and a drink in the other, Ditka said his steelworker father was living proof that it's baloney for medical experts to claim that exposing a restaurant employee to an eight-hour shift's worth of secondhand smoke is the equivalent of smoking a half a pack of cigarettes.

"My dad smoked four packs of Luckies from the time he was 12 until the time he was 60. He lived to 80. He died of hardening of the arteries. He didn't die from what smoking caused. He worked in the steel mill where every morning, you woke up and there was half an inch of soot on the cars," Ditka said.

"People who have survived in industrial areas of our country late into their 80s and 90s have inhaled more smoke than all the smoking in the world can give you. I find it hard to believe that people try to shove the secondhand smoke theory down your throat because I don't believe it. I don't believe it even hurts you. It might make your hair smell a little bit, but that's about it."

Ditka said he has nothing against Ald. Edward M. Burke (14th), the City Council's leading anti-smoking crusader. He simply believes the restaurant business would "suffer tremendously" if Burke and Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) persuaded their colleagues to ban smoking in restaurants and bars.

"These people who are popping off and throwing their weight around better open up their eyes and understand that you've got freedoms in America. If you don't want to come in this restaurant, don't come in. If you don't want to go where people smoke, don't go. They run the City Council. Let the people down here run the restaurants," Da Coach said.

Reminded that smoking has been banned for years in California restaurants and bars, Ditka said: "That's fruits and nuts. That's what they are. A lot of liberals. . .. All the do-gooders in the world. The people in California who abolished smoking are the same people who want to legalize marijuana. Come on. Give me a break."

At a Health Committee meeting earlier this week, restaurant owners attempted to slow the anti-smoking steamroller.

They warned that a Chicago-only restaurant smoking ban would send customers fleeing to the suburbs and prompt conventions to move elsewhere. They argued the ban would create an enforcement nightmare, with confrontations between tip-seeking servers and their customers.

Mayor Daley sympathized, called for more City Council hearings on the controversy and backed away from his earlier endorsement of a restaurant smoking ban.

On Thursday, restaurant employees held a news conference at Ditka's Restaurant, 100 E. Chestnut, to reiterate those arguments and pile on a few more.

"This city is rich in character--full of taverns, neighborhood joints, steakhouses and family restaurants. A smoking ban would completely expunge that character. It would absolutely reduce this city to another generic, dime-a-dozen, two-bit town," said Glenn Garlisch, a waiter at the Chicago Chop House, 60 W. Ontario.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; cigarette; cigars; individualliberty; mikeditka; privateproperty; pufflist; rights; smokers; smokingbans; tobacco
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

He owns a PRIVATE business. You do not have the right to inflict your whining little pansy beliefs on anyone else. You can either stay home in your HEPA filtered sterile environment or go to a different restaurant if you don't like smoke. I don't, haven't ever, and will not ever smoke but you anti-smoking NAZIS make me want to puke.
21 posted on 01/10/2003 8:26:50 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Max McGarrity
Ditka's right. Some years ago the socialists (commies) at the World Health Organization did a long-term study trying to find evidence of the negative health effects of second-hand smoke. When no such evidence was found the report was completely suppressed. It was in the news for a day or so, then gone forever.

If second-hand smoke viciously killed non smokers, smokers lives would be very short indeed.

Billions of dollars in tax money were earned from the big lie. Now fatty foods are in the cross-hairs.

22 posted on 01/10/2003 8:27:23 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Gracious! I didn't mean to be nasty, just ... middle of the road? "Smoke if you like, and I'll go somewhere else?" "Here's an ashtray; would you mind going to the porch?"

That does get me in trouble on FR sometimes :-). Can I offer you a drink?
23 posted on 01/10/2003 8:29:58 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Mr. K
Absolutely. It is a FREE country so...go to the places that don't have smokers and stay out of the places that do! I am not a smoker by the way and I hate the smell of the smoke but...I am NOT about to rule in favor of banning all smoking for all people. That's stupid!
24 posted on 01/10/2003 8:30:51 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Tax-chick
Bless her that she lived to 90 years old.
25 posted on 01/10/2003 8:32:14 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Tax-chick
I can agree with that. Nothing has the same effect on everybody.
26 posted on 01/10/2003 8:33:32 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: Tacis
So... since you've been "poisoned" by smokers, perhaps you'll offer up a few examples of what this "poison" has done.

Did it make you turn green, make you sick? Did it cause a brain tumor to start growing in your head within a few minutes?

Or perhaps the poison just made your nostrils a little uncomfortable.

27 posted on 01/10/2003 8:33:53 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Max McGarrity
Secondhand smoke "might make your hair smell," but it's not a proven health risk, Bears-coach-turned-restaurant-owner Mike Ditka said Thursday, leading the charge against a proposed restaurant smoking ban in Chicago.

While I'm personally of the 'if you don't like the smoke, don't patronize the place' mentality, this is a rather shoddy argument. What are Ditka's credentials? Where is his research?
28 posted on 01/10/2003 8:38:59 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: cubreporter
38. Lung cancer.

I'm not in favor of legal restrictions on smoking. Just saying that it does hurt (and kill) some people. Mike Ditka should make his pitch on a "freedom" platform, not a "smoking is harmless" platform.
29 posted on 01/10/2003 8:40:44 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Max McGarrity
And so it begins again. SHS if it were that deadly would claim the lives of tens of millions of folks a year. The ignorant are very close to the level of calling for genocide and asking the UN to step in to "save the future children". As a nation, our ancestors have endured far more extraneous poisons. Most of which were encountered in the drive to expand our country and enable the "strip mall socialists" to have the confortable lives they live today. Ignorance is Bliss.
30 posted on 01/10/2003 8:41:25 PM PST by davisdoug
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Ditka's restaurant is HIS restaurant. Its not a "public place". If he didn't like you, he could ban you from it. On the other hand, if you don't like smoke, instead of bitching, go elsewhere. If a restaurant allows smoking, and I decide to light up, I don't want to have to hear your snide remarks, or see your dirty looks. I want to enjoy my meal without a hassle. If I'm in a no smoking establishment, I don't smoke.

As for being weak or stupid: Some of us just enjoy it. Some people like sky-diving, but personally, I'll never jump out of a perfectly functioning airplane. Everyone chooses their own life style, and are entitled to. Who the he$$ do you think you are to mandate no smoking, no alcohol, no fatty foods, no salt, no sugar, etc. In fact, just to pi$$ you off, I'm going to run around the living room WITH SCISSORS!!!

31 posted on 01/10/2003 8:42:09 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Max McGarrity

32 posted on 01/10/2003 8:45:27 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

You said it here. IF. You have a choice. If you don't want to be there, don't go! In fact Ditka himself tells you that! There other places to go.

The perfect solution is to have both types of restaurants and bars. Some that allow smoking and those that do not. Any patron in the wrong place is there of their own accord and has no reason to gripe.

Most restaurants had non smoking sections and that still wasn't good enough for the anti-smoke nazis. So now they want it all. Why should only non smokers be comfortable? By having both types of establishments smoking and non-smoking, then both sets of patrons can be comfortable.

As for workers, the same applies. You know when you fill the application whether or not the place allows smoking. Don't want the smoke, then don't apply. If you apply, then you have made a choice to accept the smoke as part of the job. Just like people in factories pr other work places that have to work with questionable materials. Sure safety standards say that you have the 'right to know', but that's it. You can't refuse to work with it, because it would cost you your job. I've been in that type of situation. Some work places tell you up front, so you can make your choice then. Continue with the application for employment or walk out the door.

Choice. It's all about choice. And just as the non smoker gets a choice about going to a smoking or non smoking environment, so too should the smoker be given that choice. The choice shouldn't be eliminated.

Would people like choice of soda limited to ONE? Or choice of beer limited to ONE? And that ONE determined by someone else?

A consumer driven market is based on CHOICE! jmo

33 posted on 01/10/2003 8:47:23 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer...

You sir, are on the wrong forum.

Perhaps you could be so kind and let us know what is wrong with the above statement. Just to help the thought process along, I have taken the liberty of bolding a few things you just might want to key in on.

Are SUV's ok? Guns? Turn off the test pattern, ok?

Now run along and slime your way back to DU. They love to assimilate your type.

LVM

34 posted on 01/10/2003 8:50:34 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: Max McGarrity
Same hometown Bump as Ditka. Aliquippa, Pa is no longer sooty....all mills have shut down.
35 posted on 01/10/2003 8:51:35 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (My hubby wants me to change my screenname, but I still despise Halfbright!)
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To: Tacis
"He runs a public place..."

No, he doesn't. He runs a privately owned restaurant. He *owns* it. Don't like it? Don't go there. Sounds like Mike has a pretty good grasp on reality, unlike an ever increasing number of citizens in this country.

FYI, it was the NAZIS who laid the groundwork for nationwide anti-smoking initiatives. Der Fuehrer, it will be recalled, was a homosexual vegetarian non-smoking teetotaling socialist. So we know who the fascists really are in all this. Good try, though!
36 posted on 01/10/2003 8:55:44 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Tax-chick
"A simple, free-market situation ..."

A simple free market soloution is to allow the restaurant or bar owner to make the decision wether to allow smoking or not allow it. If you don't like smoking you will vote with your feet and frequent any establishment that doesn't allow smoking.

Restaurants and bars are privatly owned and therfore their policies should be made by the owners. Not by the goverment.

37 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:29 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Tacis
When Ditka's is smoke free, how are you going to get there? Might you drive over there in your SUV with an eight cylinder combustive engine. Well, I do not to breathe the exhaust from your car as a walk down. I know, sounds stupid. Because it is.

I am a non-smoker, and there is only a few things that bug me more than smokers. Rest assured that one of those things is non-smokers who moan about smokers.

38 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:50 PM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: blackbart.223
Right. What you said.
39 posted on 01/10/2003 9:03:38 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tax-chick
My brother died of lung cancer when he was 43. Neither he nor his wife smoked a day in their lives.
40 posted on 01/10/2003 9:09:01 PM PST by Hildy
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