Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]

SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

[Roscoe]

socialistic prohibitionist

The Founding Fathers and every generation of American citizens since our nation's beginning are "socialistic prohibitionists?"

The cultists can't conceal their hatred for America or its citizens.

[tpaine]

"Tell me, Texaggie79, what reason would the founders give for not protecting the smoking of crack by private citizens?"


hmm... perhaps the same reasons they didn't protect witchcraft in their own state. They saw it as a direct threat, and therefore a violation of other's rights.
286 -aggie-

Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists, which certainly does NOT describe our Founders intent in the writing of the 9th amendment.

[tpaine]

Roscoe claims:
The Founding Fathers and every generation of American citizens since our nation's beginning are "socialistic prohibitionists?"


I agree roscoe, you prohibitional cultists can't conceal your hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution.

[Roscoe]

hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution

It fills your every post.

[tpaine]

I agree roscoe, you prohibitional cultists can't conceal your hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution. It fills your every post.

[Libertarian Billy Graham]

Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists

Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.

Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:

Modern knaves such as Roscoe can't even remember their anti-republican predecessors' hatred for these free institutions (such as that of Judge Peleg Sprague) and now 100% of their own hatefulness may be utilized in modern pogroms--and continue completely unchecked.

[Roscoe]

mobocratic tyranny

Because they reject the moronic position of liberals and libertarians equating doing drugs with the right to keep and bear arms?

Your cult's hatred of our nation, its laws and it citizenry is as predictable as it is impotent.

[tpaine]

"Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists"



Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.
Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:
Modern knaves such as Roscoe ---
-LBG-

Good points. -- But don't forget the other 'knaves' on this thread who have defended the prohibitionary philosophy, their unlisted 'states rights' cohort, plus all the drug warriors at FR who refuse to acknowlege that their support of the WOR's is eroding away our liberty.

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all."
Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

[tpaine]

"Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists"



Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.
Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:
Modern knaves such as Roscoe ---
-LBG-

Good points. -- But don't forget the other 'knaves' on this thread who have defended the prohibitionary philosophy, their unlisted 'states rights' cohort, plus all the drug warriors at FR who refuse to acknowlege that their support of the WOR's is eroding away our liberty.

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all."
Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

[radioman]

Geez Roscoe, I thought you were the constitution expert...That's why I asked the question instead of making a statement of fact. I don't remember for sure, but I believe the Jefferson reference can be found in federalist #48, but Adams in federalist #45 is pretty good too. Since neither of us seem to know the constituion well enough to debate this point, I'll concede to you so we can get past it and on to an easier reference. I'll go with the most famous Libertarian in history, George Washington.
"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere!"

The father of our country was a Marijuana grower for over thirty years. He used it to treat his chronic tooth aches.

"The Writings of George Washington" Volume 33, page 270.
You'll notice George said "Indian Hemp".
Indian Hemp is Cannibis Indica, used for smoking.
Cannabis Sativa is used for making rope.

[tpaine]

You keep repeaing your same moronic point, that all who oppose your views on the constitutionality of prohibitions are "cultists".

Thus, it is your hatred of our nation, its laws and it citizenry, that is as predictable as it is impotent.

[tpaine]

Can our aggie 'smoking prohibitionist' comment on this founding fathers defense of an "arbitrary right"?

Not likely....
Thanks, R-man.

[Texaggie79]

I think they'ed have thought you a very strange person for even implying that the state should have power to prohibit the smoking of ANYthing.

Not if they considered it witchcraft.......

[Texaggie79]

Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists

Now you call our founders "communitarian [sic] prohibitionists"?

[Texaggie79]

Thank you my boy, for showing us your true stripe as a socialistic prohibitionist.

Socialism is a ECONOMIC theory. Why you tag it to your supposed right to do hard drugs is beyond me.

[Texaggie79]

Hemp, indeed is a great resource and should be legal. Pot is quite harmless, and should also be legal. I have never said different. However, it is still a STATE issue.

[tpaine]

Socialism is a ECONOMIC theory.

Good grief. It is also a POLITICAL theory, as is prohibitionism. Why you advocate them is beyond all common sense.

Why you tag it to your supposed right to do hard drugs is beyond me.

I'm not the only one here at FR that does so. Here's a simple explanation as to 'why', -- that I agree with. Can you refute its premise?

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all." Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

[Texaggie79]

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all." Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

Well stated. I agree 100%. The FEDERAL WOD is unconstitutional.

[tpaine]

Hemp, indeed is a great resource and should be legal. Pot is quite harmless, and should also be legal. I have never said different. However, it is still a STATE issue.
316 -ta79-

Round you go, aggie, on your circular argument.
Granted, states can 'reasonably regulate' the use & sale of 'pot'. -- They cannot violate the constitution in doing so. Fiat prohibitions are such violations.

[tpaine]

"Well stated. I agree 100%. The FEDERAL WOD is unconstitutional."
318 ta79

Good, you agree that federal violations of the BOR's [such as the WOD's] are unconstitutional

Do you agree that state/local violations of our US Constitution are also unconstitutional?