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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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To: tpaine
NOW you claim that substances associated with religion are not..

Common sense. What substances are needed for firearms can be proven. Religious issues are faith based and rooted in no scientific fact. Where a substance comes into being a threat towards others, such as hard drugs, that out trumps you claiming it for religious purposes.

401 posted on 01/17/2003 8:47:04 AM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: Texaggie79
If you want to know what rights you own to the property you think you own, go to the courthouse and pull an abstract.

What!? You mean I can't cut down the telephone pole sitting on my land and use it for firewood?

It's socialism I tells ya!!!

402 posted on 01/17/2003 8:55:45 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
Yes, of course aggie.
We are all well aware that you consider yourself an expert in contractural/property/title matters.
We can only hope your customers get/have good insurance.

But tell me. -- If you buy into a condo development in your state, could the condo association insert a clause in the contract [prior to your signing of course] specifying that they can inspect your property at any time, without notice, for any violation of the association rules?
- [Said rules being subject to change at any time by majority vote, of course.]

-- And, --- that the penalty for a refusal to inspect would be an immediate eviction, pending a forced sale of your unit?

Is this basic scenario constitutional, in your opinion?
403 posted on 01/17/2003 9:14:57 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Condos are simply a purchase of a smaller amount of rights of a certain property. If you buy rights to a condo while the assoc. retains the right to searching the property at any said time, they can. Now, rummaging through your PERSONAL property, such as bags, boxes, ect is not permissible, because that is truly personal property.

The government, however, is bound by the 4th amendment. It cannot subject us to search and/or seizure without just cause and a warrant.

404 posted on 01/17/2003 9:27:32 AM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: Puppage
And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind. Legalization is not the way.

How about decriminalization, but (as with alcohol) strict enforcement of laws broken as a result of the activity. Public imbibing = shooting up/toking in a public place; public drunkenness = public narcotic intoxication; impaired driving (regrdless of cause of impairment), etc. Tax the stuff and limit the use of the taxes to repairing the damage it causes; any excess to reduce the public debt.

No, I don't want a horde of stoned individuals staggering around my streets, but the same goes for drunks!

405 posted on 01/17/2003 9:33:00 AM PST by JimRed
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To: Texaggie79
States are free to write all the silly laws they want, -- as long as such laws do not violate human rights as per the constitution.

WOW! You are coming around tpaine. You finally admitted it. Hard drug prohibition laws by states are not violations of human rights, therefore, are not unconstitutional.

WOW! You are coming around full circle again aggie, - reducing your arguments to total absurdity.
States cannot make prohibitional laws on the right to own property [guns, drugs, etc], nor can the feds.
They can only 'reasonably regulate', the use & sale of such property.

406 posted on 01/17/2003 9:33:44 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Texaggie79
Just above [#326], you admitted that any substance associated with the right to bear arms/self defense is guaranteed. NOW you claim that substances associated with religion are not..
Aggie, give it up. You are totally illogical on this issue. 338 tpaine

Common sense. What substances are needed for firearms can be proven.
Religious issues are faith based and rooted in no scientific fact.

Freedom to practice religion is guaranteed. Wine is part of that practice, & I can prove it. Wrong again, aggie.

Where a substance comes into being a threat towards others, such as hard drugs, that out trumps you claiming it for religious purposes.

We are not discussing card rules, aggie. Constitutional law 'trumps' your silly made up opinions about "hard drugs".

407 posted on 01/17/2003 9:47:03 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
as long as such laws do not violate human rights

Human rights like smoking crack?

408 posted on 01/17/2003 9:49:57 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
If you buy into a condo development in your state, could the condo association insert a clause in the contract [prior to your signing of course] specifying that they can inspect your property at any time, without notice, for any violation of the association rules?

Ever hear of CC&Rs?

409 posted on 01/17/2003 9:52:28 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
If you buy into a condo development in your state, could the condo association insert a clause in the contract [prior to your signing of course] specifying that they can inspect your property at any time, without notice, for any violation of the association rules?
- [Said rules being subject to change at any time by majority vote, of course.]

-- And, --- that the penalty for a refusal to inspect would be an immediate eviction, pending a forced sale of your unit?

Is this basic scenario constitutional, in your opinion?
403 tpaine


Condos are simply a purchase of a smaller amount of rights of a certain property. If you buy rights to a condo while the assoc. retains the right to searching the property at any said time, they can. Now, rummaging through your PERSONAL property, such as bags, boxes, ect is not permissible, because that is truly personal property.
The government, however, is bound by the 4th amendment. It cannot subject us to search and/or seizure without just cause and a warrant.
-ta79-

Yes aggie, invading your home, "rummaging through your PERSONAL property"; -- guns, drugs, "bags, boxes, etc. is not permissible, because that is truly personal property", as you admit.

The condo association and fed/state/local governments, are "bound by the 4th amendment. It cannot subject us to search and/or seizure without just cause and a warrant." - Just as you admit.

Its getting close to game, set, match, aggie. Time for you to concede?
- Or will you scuttle off again, as usual, hoping that your odd views on our constitution are not noted?
410 posted on 01/17/2003 10:10:58 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe

Human rights like smoking tobacco?
411 posted on 01/17/2003 10:14:49 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Yes, roscoe I have.

Can you answer that whole scenario?
If not, shut up.
412 posted on 01/17/2003 10:17:59 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The condo association and fed/state/local governments, are "bound by the 4th amendment.

The usual sourceless, citeless, meritless ignorance.

413 posted on 01/17/2003 10:25:09 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
You are only showing off your distain for our constitutional principles roscoe. - Thanks.
414 posted on 01/17/2003 10:31:55 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
A condo association has contractual rights. Your cluelessness is pretty pitiable.
415 posted on 01/17/2003 10:35:41 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
Bump
416 posted on 01/17/2003 10:38:40 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: Roscoe
"A condo association has contractual rights."

Of course they do roscoe, but such contractual arrangements cannot violate our constitution.



Thus, it is ~your~ cluelessness that is pretty pitiable.
417 posted on 01/17/2003 10:49:36 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
such contractual arrangements cannot violate our constitution.

They don't, question beggar.

418 posted on 01/17/2003 10:56:18 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
tpaine
If you buy into a condo development in your state, could the condo association insert a clause in the contract [prior to your signing of course] specifying that they can inspect your property at any time, without notice, for any violation of the association rules?
- [Said rules being subject to change at any time by majority vote, of course.]
-- And, --- that the penalty for a refusal to inspect would be an immediate eviction, pending a forced sale of your unit?
Is this basic scenario constitutional, in your opinion?
403 tpaine



Ever hear of CC&Rs?
409 Roscoe


Yes, roscoe I have.
Can you answer that whole scenario?
If not, shut up.
412

A condo association has contractual rights. Your cluelessness is pretty pitiable.
415 Roscoe


Of course they do roscoe, but such contractual arrangements cannot violate our constitution.
Thus, it is ~your~ cluelessness that is pretty pitiable.
417 tpaine

"They don't, question beggar." -roscoe-

"Condo contracts, as per the scenario, can violate our constitution", claims roscoe, in a fit of absolute insanity.


419 posted on 01/17/2003 11:51:16 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
A condo association doesn't need a warrant to exercise rights to it in record CC&Rs. You're still batting zero.
420 posted on 01/17/2003 12:56:38 PM PST by Roscoe
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