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'Lord' of racism? Critics view (Rings) trilogy as discriminatory (everything is racism barf alert)
Chicago Tribune ^ | January 12, 2003 | David Ibata

Posted on 01/12/2003 10:54:58 AM PST by republicman

`Lord' of racism? Critics view trilogy as discriminatory `Two Towers' film reflects tone of book

Happily for fans of J.R.R. Tolkien, director Peter Jackson stayed true to the fantasy author's artistic vision in "Fellowship of the Ring," the first film in the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

Unhappily, in "The Two Towers," Jackson may reflect the "Rings'" racial view of the world as well.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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KEYWORDS: emoryuniversity; racism; rings; tolkien; trilogy
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Everything is racism...

...Except hating whitey

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1 posted on 01/12/2003 10:54:58 AM PST by republicman
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To: republicman
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Can you let me know what these are without getting into trouble?

2 posted on 01/12/2003 10:59:46 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
name= Hildebeast

password= Isaliar

Works for every paper, etc. I've tried
3 posted on 01/12/2003 11:00:44 AM PST by republicman
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To: republicman
thanks
4 posted on 01/12/2003 11:01:44 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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I dismiss the whole argument as an act of "attention getting" by race hustlers on the Left. Their complaints are not worthy of my attention.

NEXT
5 posted on 01/12/2003 11:02:19 AM PST by willgetsome
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To: republicman
Excerpt--"Can anyone recall one white male author before the present literary era -- other than perhaps the far-seeing Mark Twain in "Huckleberry Finn" -- who, when the two sides came into conflict, depicted men of color sympathetically and Caucasian men as evil?"

You see that's what's required, depicting whites as evil and non whites as sympathetic is totally fine, and laudible, BUT the other way around it's racism!

Everything is racism...

...Except hating whitey

6 posted on 01/12/2003 11:03:25 AM PST by republicman
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To: willgetsome
Their complaints are not worthy of my attention.

In part I agree. But I like to know what the enemy, liberals, are doing. I also like to ridicule their stupidity. This article is a perfect opportunity to do so.

7 posted on 01/12/2003 11:05:32 AM PST by republicman
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To: republicman
Where is Jar Jar Jackson on this issue?!?! He'll be there, I promise.
8 posted on 01/12/2003 11:07:21 AM PST by admiralsn (Star Wars was racist too.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
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Didn't work for me. May be because someone else was logged in under the same name at the same time?
9 posted on 01/12/2003 11:12:55 AM PST by Conservateacher
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To: republicman
Crappy website wouldn't let me log in, would let me create a new account.
10 posted on 01/12/2003 11:14:48 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: republicman
LOTR is not The Flintstones. LOTR is ethnic folklore adapted from various northern European traditions.

Next: Angry protests that there weren't any black people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

11 posted on 01/12/2003 11:18:25 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: republicman
I'm glad I don't see racism behind every sentence. I've loved these books for 30 years. But it looks like imagined racism ruins the story for a lot of people.
12 posted on 01/12/2003 11:19:55 AM PST by gitmo (Cursed be he who moves my bones. -Lassie)
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Everything is racism... ...Except hating whitey

I saw "Antwone Fisher" yesterday, written by one black man (Antwone Fisher???) and produced and directed by another, Denzel Washington. It is an excellent movie, and one that could provide a desperately needed role model for young black males.

But I am sure it will be dissed as a racist, Uncle Tom movie by the media's pet poverty pimps and racial entrepreneurs.

13 posted on 01/12/2003 11:20:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: republicman
It works but please note that the password is ALL LOWER CASE.

Someone here was complaining, probably because of typing "Isaliar" instead of "isaliar"
14 posted on 01/12/2003 11:21:26 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: republicman
But like the ghostly faces in the Dead Marshes, that irritating issue of race always lingered just beneath the surface.

LOL! What a narrow world these people live in.... Anyways, while he was whining about how some of the villains might be perceived as Asian or African, he overlooked the aspect of the humans, elves, and dwarves coming together in racial harmony to fight facism.
15 posted on 01/12/2003 11:21:33 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Conservateacher
See my comment above.
16 posted on 01/12/2003 11:21:59 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: Welsh Rabbit
And no Gays, lesbians, transvestites or necrophiliacs among the 'good guys' either.
17 posted on 01/12/2003 11:23:02 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: shadowman99
Don't use any caps. Worked for me.
18 posted on 01/12/2003 11:25:53 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
And no Gays, lesbians, transvestites or necrophiliacs among the 'good guys' either.

You forget transgenders

19 posted on 01/12/2003 11:26:13 AM PST by republicman
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Lets see we have got Dwarves,men,elves,hobbits,ents all fighting against evil that is portrayed by

Orks , Fighting Huruki [mix of a goblin and elf tortured to be made evil] ,Goblins ,gollum ,cave trolls not to mention other races of men who choose the way of suaran the evil one

Hmmmmmm does that mean that fighting against anything evil in their eyes is being racist because evil has the right to be ?....well ....evil!

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

20 posted on 01/12/2003 11:29:11 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Fellowship of Conservatives)
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To: republicman
I'm not a white supremicist, but all these non-whites and pansy liberals are trying to back me into a corner. It's getting real old and I'm starting to get fed up.
21 posted on 01/12/2003 11:30:32 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker
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To: gitmo
But it looks like imagined racism ruins the story for a lot of people.

Yeah and it doesn't do much good for our country either.

The problem for liberals is twofold

1) Their scapegoat belief system cannot survive without racism's existence

2) there really is very little real racism left.

Therefore the liberals have to search under every rock for it and even invent it where none exists, in order to preserve their screwy belief system.

22 posted on 01/12/2003 11:31:58 AM PST by republicman
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator; republicman
Ya spelled Hildabeast wrong...as you can see, I've always thought it was spelt with an 'a' instead of the 'e'. I'll retry the password. Thanx.
23 posted on 01/12/2003 11:32:27 AM PST by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: republicman
Here's some text on Tolkien's attitude to the Third Reich and the jews - the original is at http://www.jewsweek.com/aande/104.htm :

'The best response comes from Tolkien himself. After Hitler came to power, but prior to World War II, the German government officially requested, through Tolkien’s publisher, that he establish his racial purity so they could authorize a translation of The Hobbit (the prequel of "The Lord of the Rings").

'The Oxford don, struggling financially to support his family, could have used the income from Third Reich sales. Instead, though Tolkien is a Germanic name, he took the opportunity to remind the Nazis of the ludicrous pretension of racial purity.

'"Thank you for your letter.... I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend," he wrote. "I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are inquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people...."
24 posted on 01/12/2003 11:34:51 AM PST by orbital
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I'm not a white supremicist, but...

"But" what?

If you aren't a supremacist, you aren't a supremacist. No disclaimer and/or explanation is needed. Explaning away that which you haven't been accused of opens the door to interpretation.

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
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25 posted on 01/12/2003 11:36:48 AM PST by rdb3 (I stay true to this N-U-P-E game, baby. And let the haterz just float away.)
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Works great! My thanks to the freeper who invented that login and registered it at so many passwordp-required sites. Especially if s/he had to fill in all the rest of that intrusive &%$#@, like what the Chi-Trib wants : Name, address, phone number, DOB....

Many times Google will already have the article ready for viewing, too, and a snipped article can be reached if the exact article title can be used as the query. Such was NOT the case this time, but I did find an article possibly even dumber, using Lord of Racism as the query:

The Lord of the Rings rooted in racism: Academic

Shyam Bhatia in London

An American academic, who teaches at the Warwick University in the United Kingdom, has described J R R Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings trilogy as an 'epic rooted in racism'.

Dr Stephen Shapiro, an expert in cultural studies, race and slavery, said the author used his novels to present bigotry through a fantasy world.

Following the release in UK of the film The Two Towers, the second in the series, Dr Shapiro told rediff.com that the books represent anxieties about immigration in mid-1950s Britain.

He said: "Put simply, Tolkien's good guys are white and the bad guys are black, slant-eyed, unattractive, inarticulate and a psychologically undeveloped horde."

In the trilogy, a small group, the fellowship, is pitted against a foreign horde and this reflects long-standing Anglo-European anxieties about being overwhelmed by non-Europeans, he said.

This is consistent with Tolkien's Nordicist convictions. He thinks the Northern races had a culture and it was carried in the blood, Dr Shapiro said.

While Tolkien describes the Hobbits and Elves as amazingly white, ethnically pure clans, their antagonists, the Orcs, are a motley dark-skinned mass, akin to tribal Africans or aborigines. The recent films amplify a 'fear of a black planet' and exaggerate this difference by insisting on stark white-black colour codes, Dr Shapiro said.

He added: "Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings because he wanted to recreate a mythology for the English, which had been destroyed by foreign invasion. He felt the Normans had destroyed organic English culture. There is the notion that foreigners destroy culture and there was also a fantasy that there was a solid homogeneous English culture there to begin with, which was not the case because there were Celts and Vikings and a host of other groups.

"We have a pure village ideal, which is being threatened by new technologies and groups coming in. I think the film has picked up on this by colour coding the characters in very stark ways.

"For instance, the fellowship is portrayed as uber-Aryan, very white and there is the notion that they are a vanishing group under the advent of the other, evil ethnic groups.

"The Orcs are a black mass that doesn't speak the languages and are desecrating the cathedrals.

"For today's film fans, this older racial anxiety fuses with a current fear and hatred of Islam that supports a crusading war in the Middle East. The mass appeal of The Lord of the Rings, and the recent movies may well rest on racist codes."

Dr Shapiro said that the trilogy, which began in the 1930s and published in the 1950s, was written at the onset of de-colonisation, when the first immigrants from the Caribbean and Indian subcontinent came to Britain. The Midlands, Tolkien's model for the Shire, was becoming a multicultural region.

A spokesman for Harper Collins, publisher of the trilogy, accused Dr Shapiro of mixing up his dates: "The copyright for The Fellowship of the Ring, the first in the series, was 1954. Tolkien would have finished writing the book quite a bit before the mid-50s and certainly the idea would have come a number of years before, given the sheer size of the book. So I think the timing is out.

"A number of academics have commented on Tolkien's work and this is the first time anybody has ever seen these issues in it. Of course, if you look hard enough at many great epics, you can extrapolate what you like, particularly if you have academic kudos behind you.

"A number of people have said that they think The Lord of the Rings could be an allegory for the Second World War, or indeed the first, as Tolkien fought in it, but it was never a view that he agreed with. His great abiding passion and interest came from the Icelandic sagas and mythology, and this was his version of one of those sagas."

Richard Crawshaw, a trustee for the Tolkien Society, said: "There was definitely no racial intent in his work. He detested racism."

26 posted on 01/12/2003 11:37:26 AM PST by kaylar
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On the side of good PiNg


27 posted on 01/12/2003 11:37:26 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Fellowship of Conservatives)
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To: republicman
There's no sword-on-sword, one-on-one combat. It all seems antiseptic, like a smart bomb on TV blasting a bunker without the splatter of blood and flesh.

Oh, please. Grow up.

To the people who spend their nights agonizing over whether Tolkien is racist or not:

Get a life.

28 posted on 01/12/2003 11:37:43 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: orbital
From what I understand his name and ethnic lineage was "the most desirable" to the Nazis.
29 posted on 01/12/2003 11:40:07 AM PST by Bogey78O (It's not a Zero it's an "O")
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To: republicman; mountaineer; Trueblackman
Kleagle Sheets Byrd alert

For years, Tolkien scholars have waged a fight on two fronts: against an academic establishment that for the most part refused to take the author's work seriously, and against white supremacists who have tried to claim the professor as one of their own.

The first controversy may be decided in Tolkien's favor once the present generation of literary critics passes from the scene (I admit some bias in this regard), but the second probably always will flare up whenever some skinheads read more into the "Rings" than really is there.

...Perhaps a more accurate statement would have been that the forces of evil have assembled an army "to destroy the world of civilized white men." Of course, Aragorn -- and the director Jackson -- cannot say this.

31 posted on 01/12/2003 11:42:17 AM PST by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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Everything is racism... ...Except hating whitey

THat is so true. I just graduated college. At my school blacks said western culture is "racist", they said they had to have a "cultural center" or it was "racism", had to have separate dorms from whites or it was "racism"

Yet this is a school that lets blacks in over whites who had a .5 GPA higher and 100 point better SAT scores--but that's not racism. Of course not.

32 posted on 01/12/2003 11:44:49 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: kaylar
Dr Stephen Shapiro, an expert in cultural studies, race and slavery, said the author used his novels to present bigotry through a fantasy world. Dr. Shapiro said: "While Tolkien describes the Hobbits and Elves as amazingly white, ethnically pure clans, their antagonists, the Orcs, are a motley dark-skinned mass, akin to tribal Africans or aborigines."

Obviously, "Dr." Shapiro has NOT read the trilogy, or he would know that the Orcs were originally Elves that had been corrupted by Sauron. Likewise, he is obviously unaware of Ghan-buri-Ghan's people's appearance in "Return of the King" as a TRUE analog "akin to tribal Africans or aborigines" but who had NOT been corrupted by Sauron.

As ole Bugs says: "What a maroon!!!"

33 posted on 01/12/2003 11:45:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: orbital
Here's some text on Tolkien's attitude to the Third Reich and the jews

Yeah but that doesn't count, the libs hate for Israel has taken Jews off the PC victim list and moved them to the oppressor list. You'll have to find another group. Sorry ;)

34 posted on 01/12/2003 11:50:29 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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35 posted on 01/12/2003 12:01:11 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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Ring Ping!!

Here we go again.

36 posted on 01/12/2003 12:02:41 PM PST by ecurbh
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'"Thank you for your letter.... I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend," he wrote. "I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are inquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people...."

That is class, not only refusing the much-needed money, but taking an intelligent little jab at them that probably left them wondering what he meant :-)

37 posted on 01/12/2003 12:06:16 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: ecurbh
Man, I think I will not read this article.

Anyway racism is more in keeping with the views of Leftists, such as this idiot, since the Left identifies men according to what group they belong to, instead of by their value as individuals.

38 posted on 01/12/2003 12:06:51 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: republicman
....parts of the text some condemned as racially insensitive.

What's this term 'racially insensitive' mean? It sounds like pure meaningless cr*p to me. Why the h*ll do we have to be so damn sensitive -- the Mooslims and blacks certainly aren't too sensitive about Christians, Jews, Hindus, and whites.

39 posted on 01/12/2003 12:16:42 PM PST by expatpat
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To: republicman
Friend of mine said Tolkien was an anti-technology, car hating greenie..
40 posted on 01/12/2003 12:46:00 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ((LOTR out takes, Reel #2 Frodo to Sammy: "Yes! Kiss me you fool!")
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To: Jhoffa_
Frodo wanted me to give this to you.........


41 posted on 01/12/2003 12:50:39 PM PST by cmsgop ( Don't Drink and FReep !!!!)
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To: cmsgop
He gave me a napkin holder?
42 posted on 01/12/2003 12:52:04 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ((LOTR out takes, Reel #2 Frodo to Sammy: "Yes! Kiss me you fool!")
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It could be a Sex Toy.....
43 posted on 01/12/2003 12:54:00 PM PST by cmsgop ( Don't Drink and FReep !!!!)
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"LORD OF THE Napkin Holder's"

LOL!!!!!

44 posted on 01/12/2003 12:55:20 PM PST by cmsgop ( Don't Drink and FReep !!!!)
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EWWWW!

Gross!

45 posted on 01/12/2003 1:00:01 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (LOTR out takes, Reel #2 - Aragorn to Sammy & Frodo" "Hey! Get a room!")
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While viewing the movie, I noticed a group of 4 black people leaving at about the middle of the movie. They either couldnt stand the movie or something but they were the only ones who left.
46 posted on 01/12/2003 1:02:08 PM PST by doosee
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The real racism is from those who won't let others have heroic myths. This phenom stems from the "Mother of all" inferiority complexes that has become just plain common hatred, and on the way abandoned all pretense of reason. The fools who write such non-sense would also object to resistance to such tolerant diverse activities such as the Hun, Mongol and Muslim invasions of Europe. When one scratches the surface of race hustlers such as the vermin who critique Tolkien you find bitter failures who only wish their prefered group success instead of the "evil white devils."
47 posted on 01/12/2003 1:15:25 PM PST by junta
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I don't think we need to look to LOTRs to shape our view of our own enemies.

But speaking of LOTR, I was disappointed to see some environmental cultish stuff added in.

48 posted on 01/12/2003 1:16:49 PM PST by Sally II
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While viewing the movie, I noticed a group of 4 black people leaving at about the middle of the movie. They either couldnt stand the movie or something but they were the only ones who left.

Hey, that's funny. When I went to see it with my boyfriend, we sat next to a black guy that was there by himself. He left about 2 1/2 hours into the movie and never came back. At that point I can't say I could blame him. My attention span was starting to fade at that point, too.

49 posted on 01/12/2003 1:20:41 PM PST by Sally II
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To: republicman
The Saracens were Islamic soldiers who battled Christian invaders during the Crusades.

So the Crusaders were "invaders." On the other hand, the Muslims who conquered parts of Italy, Spain, Austria, and Yugoslavia were just tourists.

50 posted on 01/12/2003 1:23:09 PM PST by LouD
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