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Socialism: Its evil permeates American society
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/12/03 | David P. Shreiner

Posted on 01/12/2003 2:10:15 PM PST by Jean S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A conservative preacher once told me he thought "a little socialism was good." I was dumbfounded. He did not realize this was tantamount to saying a little evil is good.

In the early 1900s socialism was regarded as a crazy idea invented by revolutionaries and Marxists to disrupt civilization and bring down governments. But today the majority of Americans behave as socialists whether they know it or not.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; freetrade; libertarians; marxism; physicain; physician; socialism; socializedmedicine; sovereigntylist; un; unitednations
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1 posted on 01/12/2003 2:10:15 PM PST by Jean S
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2 posted on 01/12/2003 2:13:09 PM PST by Sam Cree
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3 posted on 01/12/2003 2:13:29 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Mo1
From this story above........hmmmmmmm....


A conservative preacher once told me he thought "a little socialism was good." I was dumbfounded. He did not realize this was tantamount to saying a little evil is good.

4 posted on 01/12/2003 2:13:52 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: JeanS; Ohioan; fporretto; Sir Gawain; Action-America; Slyfox; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Lawyers in and out of Congress have caused the disintegration of the medical profession while presiding over its progressive socialization. They have successfully converted the medical profession into a government-controlled industry. At the expense of the former medical profession and drug manufacturers, the legal profession has guaranteed that legislatures allow lawyers to become millionaires through unlimited lawsuits and damages.

This alone would make this a great article.

5 posted on 01/12/2003 2:27:34 PM PST by weikel
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To: JeanS
Thanks. Bump.
6 posted on 01/12/2003 2:37:02 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: JeanS
Bump for later reading.
7 posted on 01/12/2003 2:39:00 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: JeanS
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8 posted on 01/12/2003 2:41:01 PM PST by Cindy
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To: weikel
Most Americans cannot remember when the United States was a free country. I can remember when there was very little social security, when the local county took care of the needy. When abortion was considered murder. When live-ins would be charged and hauled to jail for adultery.

When pregnant single women were a disgrace but their family would help in any way they could. This was before WW II and FDR was considered a radical socialist. Now the conservatives sound more socialistic than FDR. They argue over the degree of socialism, not the principle involved.

9 posted on 01/12/2003 2:46:56 PM PST by meenie
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To: Fred Mertz; Jhoffa_; A Citizen Reporter; aristeides; Chad Fairbanks
Interesting story here folks
10 posted on 01/12/2003 2:48:36 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: meenie
When live-ins would be charged and hauled to jail for adultery.

I'd be fanatically opposed to this.

11 posted on 01/12/2003 2:49:14 PM PST by weikel
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To: JeanS
The Pittsburg Trib-Review is still kicking. Great editorial. Thanks for posting it. Every town in America needs editorials like this one. Bump.
12 posted on 01/12/2003 2:59:35 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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13 posted on 01/12/2003 2:59:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Donate or Become a Monthly Member at FReeRepublic.com Now!!! Thanks ..)
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To: Mercuria; Arator; Cato
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14 posted on 01/12/2003 3:01:25 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: JeanS
Lawyers are merely the symptom; socialism, American-style, is the disease.
15 posted on 01/12/2003 3:04:18 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: *libertarians
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16 posted on 01/12/2003 3:06:58 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
In Westmoreland County, the Tribune-Review absolutely kicks butt on the other Pittsburgh socialist rag. Even though Westmoreland County has a 2-1 margin of registered Democrats, Ed Rendell lost this county big time. His flunkies blame the Tribune-Review, one of the great papers of the nation!
17 posted on 01/12/2003 3:27:42 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: JeanS
Note that this [socialism] is a theory, not a proven form of government.

The form of government in the US is fascism. The means of production are privately owned but are highly regulated and subjected to central planning by the state.

Regards

J.R.

18 posted on 01/12/2003 3:32:35 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: JeanS
This is the fruit of the evil called socialism, the evil which begets more evil. Why can't Americans understand this after the terrifying experience of Germany's National Socialism

Too many Americans can't think their way out of a paper bag. They can't associate historic events to their own selfish desires. They set back and beleive what the hack media and pinko politicos tell them.

19 posted on 01/12/2003 3:40:42 PM PST by oyez (Ammo first.)
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To: meenie
Evidently our grandparents decided Socialism (security) was preferable to Freedom (risk of failure );wonder if this is not the result of having women vote ?

I have observed women are more likely to stick in a bad situation rather than risk going it alone, although "tough" new abuse laws and programs make the man just the payor.Perhaps what we have now is the result of generations of women voting for the kind of gov't which punishes men in general and reduces the risks in dealing with the natural consequences of non-marital sex and preferring "bad boys" over solid "dull" men (who build, plan, and believe in a just God).

20 posted on 01/12/2003 3:41:47 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: weikel; All
What do you think of the oft-heard attempts by spokescreatures for the legal industry to deflect the blame for this (the destruction of the American medical profession) onto the insurance companies? Does it hold any water? Please comment.
21 posted on 01/12/2003 3:50:03 PM PST by notdownwidems
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To: meenie
"Now the conservatives sound more socialistic than FDR. They argue over the degree of socialism, not the principle involved." - Meenie-


Well said.
You can even see some of FR's 'conservatives' defending gun control, because they blindly support socialistic drug controls, here:



Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/820965/posts
22 posted on 01/12/2003 3:50:54 PM PST by tpaine
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To: JeanS
read later
23 posted on 01/12/2003 4:03:02 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: weikel
I would also be very opposed to that
24 posted on 01/12/2003 4:07:42 PM PST by dramagirl1341 (randomness is the spice of life....without it, life would taste like cardboard)
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To: JeanS
Lawyers in and out of Congress have caused the disintegration of the medical profession while presiding over its progressive socialization.

Is it any wonder that lawyers are stealing the wealth of the nation, since they make the laws (50+% of federal and state legislators are lawyers); and they adjudicate the laws (Judges are selected and approved and sponsored by the lawyers).

25 posted on 01/12/2003 4:53:25 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: tpaine
You can even see some of FR's 'conservatives' defending gun control, because they blindly support socialistic drug controls.

Ah yes, the Commerce Clause conservatives, who believe in a living, breathing Constitution.

27 posted on 01/12/2003 5:06:23 PM PST by Ken H
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To: brityank
One glimmer of hope is that more and more people are wakening up to the fact that we are not governed by constitutional law. Instead we're under statutory laws which are created by the lawyer/politician cabal that has tied us up with literally millions of codes, regulations, statues, etc. Our problem is that we (the public) do not realize that we've contracted our rights away to various gov't entities.
28 posted on 01/12/2003 5:11:01 PM PST by american spirit
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To: hoosierham
Evidently our grandparents decided Socialism (security) was preferable to Freedom (risk of failure );wonder if this is not the result of having women vote ?

I have observed women are more likely to stick in a bad situation rather than risk going it alone, although "tough" new abuse laws and programs make the man just the payor.Perhaps what we have now is the result of generations of women voting for the kind of gov't which punishes men in general and reduces the risks in dealing with the natural consequences of non-marital sex and preferring "bad boys" over solid "dull" men (who build, plan, and believe in a just God).

Could you please expound your theory that the women's vote is the major contributing factor to the downfall of the country?

29 posted on 01/12/2003 5:17:14 PM PST by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: meenie
When live-ins would be charged and hauled to jail for adultery.

Really? When was adultery ever defined to include anything other than a married person having relations with someone other than a legitimate spouse? [nb: the Old Testament is even more restrictive in its definition of adultery: a married woman having relations with a man not her husband; the definition is probably sex-specific because, among other things, a man's betrayal of his wife does not introduce any uncertainty about which children are biologically hers.]

30 posted on 01/12/2003 5:21:25 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: JeanS
Wow! Great article. I can't believe it was published.

I get in real trouble when I explain to a leech...er...senior citizen that Social Security and Medicare is simply the government robbing and looting my paycheck and others' paychecks and redistributing it to them. Tough luck. The money belongs to me and my family. Seven percent of my income (actually much more if you factor in what my employer is paying as matching "contributions" - what he has budgeted to pay me but has to give over to government robbers) goes directly to these leeches. For me, if you factor in employer matching, that comes to over $10,000 per year that is freakin' stolen from my family and given to some old fart somewhere who failed to budget and plan his finances accordingly.

Take a look at your FICA "contributions" - then double them. That is what is being outright stolen from you and your family. And then go find the part of the Constitution that allows this theft. Don't bother, it is not there.

Man, I'm pissed. Where are the crates of tea to dump, dammit? Where's my warpaint? I'm sick to death of this crap!

Want to get pissed too? Check out this Social Security calculator from The Heritage Foundation and you will see how much you would be able to retire with and leave to your heirs if you didn't have your money stolen from you and flushed down the freakin' retarded Social Security ponzi scam.

For me, I would have around $1million by simply investing the same amount into interest bearing accounts, stocks, and bonds. Then, I would be able to live comfortably until I die and would leave around $800k to my heirs. Imagine the magnitude of the theft that the Federal Government is perpetrating against every working American!


31 posted on 01/12/2003 5:27:05 PM PST by Spiff
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To: oyez
I'd like to know why Hollywood is so full of so-called stars , that believe in this.
We need a camera in front of the socialist offices to see who's going to be making our next movies.
They must be coming from there. Too high a percentage for
any where else.
I do know their biting the hands that feed them. {and very well I might add} Capitalism has made many of them very wealthy.
32 posted on 01/12/2003 5:34:38 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: Spiff
Actually social security is not that hard of item to rationalize.

In many societies (including ours at one time) you saved up enough money to live off on durring old age, though that did not stop you from working. Also the younger generation of a family would in many cases support the older generation. The problem is that changed in the 1920's and 1930's (1930's for the US in particular). The Great War left Europe with out much of it's work force and was forced to provide for those who could no longer provide for themselves or had their childern to provide for them. While it's an over simplification of what happened there it's pretty much what did happen.

On the other side of the atlantic the US went through a major ecconomic boom, which in fact ended up being a bubble due in part to European resurgence. That European resurgence led to lower exports and a slowing of the economy here. When the bubble here finally bursted it destroyed the banking system which was due in no small part to the large amount of speculation. That and the following massive unemployment left vast numbers of families unable to fend for themselves let alone their parents.

The 1930's were filled with accounts of riots, strikes and shanty towns (the mall in DC was called Hoovervill, which was filled with vets from WWI seeking war benifits early to ofset their unemployment).

Now flash forward, and today we are at a point where we have a saving rate of about 0.004% and a "retirement" system that if it doesn't implode in 15 years will face the bleak prosepect of each "retireree" being suported by two workers by 2030.

That and our way of life is changing, it's hard to say what it will be like in 20 years, but it will be different.

I guess that's a consequence of moving into an age of dreams.

33 posted on 01/12/2003 6:04:20 PM PST by Brellium
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To: Ken H
You can even see some of FR's 'conservatives' defending gun control, because they blindly support socialistic drug controls. -tpaine-

Ah yes, the Commerce Clause conservatives, who believe in a living, breathing Constitution.
27 -KH-

Except when the 'penumbras' gore the ox of ~their~ single issue.
34 posted on 01/12/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by tpaine (Being dishonest doesn't make you smart; it puts limits on how smart you can possibly be seen to be)
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To: JeanS; Cindy
Plug in the word, Socialism, in these sites

http://www.thenewamerican.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/website/search.htm

http://www.lifesite.net/search/search.html

The truth about UNICEF

http://www.lifesite.net/waronfamily/unicef/index.html
35 posted on 01/12/2003 6:33:03 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: All; *Sovereignty_list; *Socialized Medicine; *"Free" Trade
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/532849/posts
36 posted on 01/12/2003 6:42:57 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: Spiff
Hey Spiff! -- Dont call me a 'leech'. I was making the exact same argument as you, back in '62, when I became a self-employed contractor. I've paid in at max, ever since, - and now I expect to cash out. [if I live long enough]
To get even, I figure it'll take me another 15 years, barring inflation. - I doubt I'll make it to that age, so the ponzi scheme will work, in my instance.

In yours, you lo0se. - But have no fear, Big Brother will crank up the printing presses to bail society, and maybe you, out of this fine mess.
37 posted on 01/12/2003 6:53:42 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Spiff
Social Security is a system whereby the government borrows money from the future generations. It in essence makes Social Security involuntary. That sounds like slavery. It sounds Un-Constitutional...

If todays young people were asked if they would like to opt-out ...they vast majority would choose against participation.

38 posted on 01/12/2003 7:06:09 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: tpaine
Hey Spiff! -- Dont call me a 'leech'. I was making the exact same argument as you, back in '62, when I became a self-employed contractor. I've paid in at max, ever since, - and now I expect to cash out. [if I live long enough] To get even, I figure it'll take me another 15 years, barring inflation. - I doubt I'll make it to that age, so the ponzi scheme will work, in my instance.

You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security. Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches. Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house. The money is being stolen from working Americans.

If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

39 posted on 01/12/2003 7:07:09 PM PST by Spiff
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To: JeanS
What is socialism and why is it evil? My dictionary says "socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization based on collective or governmental ownership and democratic management of the essential means for production and distribution of goods."

The churches of New Testament times conducted themselves in such a manner. With this big caveat: membership was voluntary.

40 posted on 01/12/2003 7:15:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: tpaine
Except when the 'penumbras' gore the ox of ~their~ single issue.

Then we start hearing about 'society's right' to-

A smoke free environment.

A sober populace.

Healthy citizens, because we have to pay for their overeating/smoking/etc.

Safety. (which is quite well addressed by the 2nd Amendment, IMO)

The corruption of the clear meaning of the Constitution, in particular the Commerce Clause, opened the door to an unsound Federal retirement system (SS), a failing educational system, a badly botched WOD, and other such mischief.

41 posted on 01/12/2003 7:17:28 PM PST by Ken H
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To: NMC EXP
You make a very provocative point, but I believe there is truth in it, potentially at least. Food for thought.
42 posted on 01/12/2003 7:26:18 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Spiff; tpaine
You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security. Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches. Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house. The money is being stolen from working Americans.

If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

No, you are wrong in calling him a leech. He entered into a contract with the gov against his will, as I was forced to do, when he started working.
A certain amount was stolen from him over the years and he was promised a certain amount would be stolen form others to reimburse him.
He and I didn't design the f*cking system, didn't elect to participate in the f*cking system, and you have no right calling those those that were stolen from earlier leeches.
Grow up or go away.

43 posted on 01/12/2003 7:27:18 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: pickyourpoison
I never can figure out why artists so often believe in authoritarian government. I actually don't really think they do, they must just be stupid, or maybe lazy thinkers.
44 posted on 01/12/2003 7:34:09 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: dtel
No, you are wrong in calling him a leech. He entered into a contract with the gov against his will, as I was forced to do, when he started working.

Really!? Show me the contract. Tell me how much is in your Social Security account that is owed to you. Further, show me the portion of the Constitution that granted the Federal Government or any of its agencies the authority to enter into such an agreement with you.

A certain amount was stolen from him over the years and he was promised a certain amount would be stolen from others to reimburse him.

So, a little bit (actually a lot) of stealing is OK just like a little bit of socialism is OK!?

Thieves, looters, and leeches are what they are no matter who they hire as their agents to commit the actual theft. That you would excuse such a system so long as you get what you think is owed to you - what you believe you are entitled to - just proves the point made by the author of this article. Socialism permeates America, the Republican Party, and even Free Republic.

He and I didn't design the f*cking system, didn't elect to participate in the f*cking system, and you have no right calling those those that were stolen from earlier leeches. Grow up or go away.

Leech. Looter. Thief.

45 posted on 01/12/2003 7:46:27 PM PST by Spiff
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To: JeanS; Cindy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/532849/posts
46 posted on 01/12/2003 7:49:02 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The churches of New Testament times conducted themselves in such a manner. With this big caveat: membership was voluntary.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with "having all things in common" as long as it is voluntary and that one can cash out at any time.

Charity is good also. Forced charity is not, it is theft. To legally plunder my paycheck to provide handouts to someone deemed to be "needy" is still plunder.

47 posted on 01/12/2003 7:50:09 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

You will not be correct because he (or you or me) CANNOT opt out of this "system" without living like a mountain man in the woods or some other kind of malcontented Luddite. Tpaine been getting ripped off for a long time, and is fighting back in the proper way---expecting to get his benefits. You make it sound as if you are the only one getting screwed; we ALL are.

Hopefully, within this generation the welfare state will collapse under its' own putrid weight. The only other way we'll get rid of it is armed insurrection, which I for one don't advocate.
48 posted on 01/12/2003 7:54:28 PM PST by motzman ("Looney Insightful Linguist")
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To: dtel
Hmm...what you said!
49 posted on 01/12/2003 7:55:09 PM PST by motzman ("Looney Insightful Linguist")
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To: Spiff
You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security.

Nope, I made that same observation 40 years ago.

Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches.

So what? You think I had a choice? It was forced from me, as for you.

Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house.

Bull. The gov stole from me and promised a pay back, if I lived.

The money is being stolen from working Americans. If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket.

As mine was taken out of my pocket to pay for my grandfather & his peers, - who never paid in a dime. But then, your grandparents don't collect SS I assume. Correct?
Big deal in any case, as you seem to think you're the only one who's been fleeced.

I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

Get a grip. - You wouldn't do it in a bar, to my face, so you shouldn't do it here. You're being irrational.

50 posted on 01/12/2003 7:55:18 PM PST by tpaine
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