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Bring The Legions Home
The Magazine Of Future Warfare ^ | July, 2002 | Carlton Meyer

Posted on 01/12/2003 6:57:14 PM PST by uplandgame

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To: Ungrateful
Actually, I am of the opinion that Albanians shouldn't get to take Kosovo, but the Serbs should get the RS.

Agreed, although the day Kosovo comes back under full Serbian sovereignty it will be a double edged sword, as Kosovo will likely continue to be a disproportionate drain on the federal budget, as it was in the old Yugoslavia, unless there are some dramatic demographic shifts as well.

41 posted on 01/14/2003 4:52:42 PM PST by bob808
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To: Destro
"What will keep the Serb military out when NATO leaves?"

Number one, NATO may never leave Kosovo.
Number two NATO could always return.

42 posted on 01/14/2003 6:37:04 PM PST by ABrit
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To: bob808
"If Albanians get to take Kosovo, then on what basis will they continue to deny Serbs the RS?"

They can't deny it if the people wish it.

43 posted on 01/14/2003 6:38:54 PM PST by ABrit
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To: Ungrateful
"An independent state implies an economy, and the ability to sustain itself without foreign aid. Kosovo does not have the necessary infrastructure for this. Like it or not, it NEEDS Serbia."
Kosovo will end up as part of Albania, or a province of the EU.
"And what are your thoughts on the deployment of Serb troops in southern Serbia in the demilitarized zone between Kosovo and Serbia proper in 2001? The Serbs wiped out the KLA/UCPMB and didn't commit a single atrocity. Isn't that proof that post-Milosevic Serbia is not going to commit war crimes or ethnic cleansing?"
What the Serbs did in Kosovo will never be forgotten, no matter how well behaved the Serbs are from now on.
44 posted on 01/14/2003 6:47:20 PM PST by ABrit
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To: Ungrateful
An independent state implies an economy, and the ability to sustain itself without foreign aid.

Under this rule three-quarters of Africa doesn't deserve to be independent states either.

Kosovo does not have the necessary infrastructure for this.

Again, neither do three-quarters of the African countries.

If Kosovo became independent and foreign aid stopped, the people would starve to death.

Kinda like those African countries again: Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Sudan, ... etc.

45 posted on 01/14/2003 7:15:06 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: vooch; Ungrateful; ABrit; Destro; bob808
"... Since the Clinton's Hum Warriors let the KLA-Jihadists loose upon the population of Kosovo, the civilian death rate has risen FOURFOLD. ..."

How can that be? Didn't Sen. Lieberman's addressed this whole issue as quoted:

"[The] United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles ... Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values." (Sen. Lieberman quoted in the 'Washington Post,' April 28, 1999)

What a hipocryt and opportunist! Not only that he doesn't deserve to lead this country, he should not be a candidate.

And then, according to The Wall Street Journal (Europe), November 01, 2001 (WSJ link is here):

"... The Balkans´ uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden´s al Qaeda network. By feeding off the region´s impoverished republics and taking root in the unsettled diplomatic aftermath of the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts, al Qaeda, along with Iranian Revolutionary Guard-sponsored terrorists, have burrowed their way into Europe´s backyard.

For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part.

... They have however been disguised under the cover of dozens of "humanitarian" agencies spread throughout Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania. ...

... With the future status of Kosovo still in question, the only real development that may be said to be taking place there is the rise of Wahhabi Islam -- the puritanical Saudi variety favored by bin Laden -- and the fastest growing variety of Islam in the Balkans. Today, in general, the Balkans are left without the money, political resources, or institutional strength to fight a war on terrorism. And that, for the Balkan Islamists, is a Godsend."

My question for candidate Lieberman: “Why did we supply arms to Islamic terrorists in Albania to attack Serbian police, and then condemned the Serbs for excessive civilian deaths in fighting terrorism?”

It's time to let the Serbian army back to Kosovo, their homeland since 7th century, to fight Islamic terrorists and end this crazy Bill Clinton adventure.

48 posted on 01/15/2003 5:20:15 AM PST by uplandgame
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To: ABrit
The same NATO that won't go to fight in Iraq? NATO is kaput and will never fight again.
49 posted on 01/15/2003 6:11:01 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
NATO is kaput and will never fight again.

Hopefully NATO will not need to fight again.

I mean with the Balkans, including Serbia, moving towards NATO membership via the PfP, what conflict prone area of Europe is left outside of NATO's security umbrella?

As to NATO being kaput, I would merely say to you that this particular misrepresentation of fact on your part is pathetically worn out.

50 posted on 01/15/2003 8:06:05 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
The same NATO-PfP that came to FYROMacedonia's defense???? Hahaha
51 posted on 01/15/2003 8:25:12 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Yeah, I know Macedonia is a strife torn war zone presently in your little proprietary world - but this forum is dedicated to the real world, so perhaps you should base your comments on this one, not whatever's going on in your addled little mind.
52 posted on 01/15/2003 8:36:43 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
FYROM, a charter member of NATO's PfP came under attack from Albanian separatists. What did FYROM's membership in the PfP get her? Partition. If that is not an indication of impotence, please state why.
53 posted on 01/15/2003 8:47:04 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
As stated, stick to the real world - Macedonia is not partitioned, Kacanik is not closed, and the only impotence on display is that of your flaccid little mind, which is unable raise itself out of the hole in the ground in which you keep it.
54 posted on 01/15/2003 8:54:51 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
The only thing NATO did in FYROM was to give Albanian Muslims limo services to safety. PfP taxi service.
55 posted on 01/15/2003 9:02:12 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Uh-huh.

That and some other stuff which lead to the current situation where there's no fighting.

56 posted on 01/15/2003 9:17:14 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
So the PfP came to FYROM's defense by denying military aid to thema nd forcing them to deal with rebels in cementing a ethnic partition of the state. That is what I call member benefits!
57 posted on 01/15/2003 9:22:36 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
The FYROM armed forces proved incapable of fighting the ANA - we bussed them out of Aracinovo after that fact became apparent.

Again, the 'cemented ethnic partition' is in your head - there is one government in Skopje for all of Macedonia - regardless of how much posting to the contrary you undertake.

58 posted on 01/15/2003 9:31:37 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
The FYROM armed forces proved incapable of fighting the ANA - we bussed them out of Aracinovo after that fact became apparent.

So you mean NATO came to the defense of FYROM, a NATO-PfP member by bussing? Here is a thought maybe NATO should have shot at the "enemy" instead?

59 posted on 01/15/2003 9:39:26 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
NATO seperated the fighting factions so other European institutions could remove the reasons for the fighting.

Mission accomplished, nationalist idiots thwarted, Destro crying.

It's all good.

60 posted on 01/15/2003 10:03:40 AM PST by Hoplite
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