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Gun-Related Crimes Jump In Britain Despite Tough Restrictions
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 1/13/03 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 01/13/2003 2:44:06 AM PST by kattracks

CNSNews.com) - Handgun-related crimes are up sharply in England and Wales despite strict gun-control measures that were implemented in the late 1990s, according to statistics released by the British government last week.

Crimes involving guns jumped 35 percent in the yearlong survey, while the use of handguns -- already illegal -- rose 46 percent.

Gun-control laws in the United Kingdom are some of the strictest in the world, but gun-related crimes have increased annually since a ban on handguns was imposed after the Dunblane Primary School massacre in 1996. Sixteen students and a teacher were left dead in the shooting.

Overall, crime rose slightly more than 9 percent in England and Wales, but violence stemming from guns soared the most. There were nearly 10,000 incidents involving firearms, including 97 gun-related murders and 558 serious causalities.

Pro-gun groups in the United States attributed the rise in crime to the government's restrictions on firearms. But British lawmakers immediately moved to tighten those laws last week, imposing a mandatory five-year prison sentence on anyone found carrying a handgun.

Home Secretary David Blunkett announced the new punishment last Monday, and then following a Friday summit released other initiatives, including an amnesty program that will allow citizens to hand in guns to police.

"While we already have some of the toughest gun laws in the world, there has been an unacceptable increase in the flagrant use of guns in crime across the country," Blunkett said in a statement, noting that the new mandatory sentence will send criminals a clear message.

But National Rifle Association spokesman Ted Novin said as long as British citizens remain defenseless and unable to protect themselves, gun-related violence will likely increase.

"The street gangs and the criminals there don't bother paying attention to any of the laws," Novin said. "So when the British government institutes laws that effect someone's right to have a gun for protection, the criminals are left with the guns and the law-abiding citizens are left defenseless."

The Conservative opposition in Britain called the crime report "terrible" and chided the government for making careless decisions that have led to the spike in gun-related violence.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats said the statistics demonstrate the need for stricter gun-control measures.

Gun Owners of America spokesman Erich Pratt said some states and cities in the United States have taken an approach similar to the United Kingdom, only to find that crime almost always increases.

"We've seen the same thing in this country," he said. "In Washington, D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles -- wherever firearms have been strictly curtailed, inevitably there's an increase in crime because people can no longer defend themselves."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 01/13/2003 2:44:06 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
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2 posted on 01/13/2003 3:03:59 AM PST by backhoe (A society that doesn't trust honest people owning arms is a Society I don't trust...)
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To: kattracks
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
3 posted on 01/13/2003 3:19:23 AM PST by SAMS
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To: SAMS
They haven't yet figured it out. Gun related crimes increase BECAUSE of the gun control laws, not despite the new laws.

Anything more ludicrous than the idea of trains segregated by gender to prevent crime?

And the left moans and whines about us not respecting our so called alies in Europe.

4 posted on 01/13/2003 4:27:29 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: kattracks
The one thing that the gun grabbers never seem to pay attention to is the fact that criminals don't obey the law. It seems this fact is a big mystery to them.

However, true to their form, in Britain the response is not to consider how their gun "control" program has failed, but rather to restrict guns farther.

This concept doesn't get restricted to just guns though, there are lots of examples in the US of failed liberal policies that had the opposite effect that that desired. The response from the left is always that we didn't go far enough with this failed policy, that's why it failed. Ask the folks in Portland, OR about their rail line.


MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
5 posted on 01/13/2003 4:56:41 AM PST by logic101.net
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To: CCWoody
Wow. Who would ever have expected this to happen?
6 posted on 01/13/2003 5:13:31 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: SAMS
I'm shocked that the criminals, thugs and hooligans haven't complied with the law and turned in their guns..maybe it's because society hasn't given them enough They need more government handouts ...that will solve the problem. </sarcasm
7 posted on 01/13/2003 5:39:29 AM PST by The Great RJ
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8 posted on 01/13/2003 5:41:54 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: kattracks
"While we already have some of the toughest gun laws in the world, there has been an unacceptable increase in the flagrant use of guns in crime across the country,"

Two words come to mind. Cause and effect.

9 posted on 01/13/2003 5:53:54 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: SAMS
Its what the Clintons had in mind for the rest of us.
10 posted on 01/13/2003 6:10:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: logic101.net
"This concept doesn't get restricted to just guns though, there are lots of examples in the US of failed liberal policies that had the opposite effect that that desired.

Good point. Such as city taxes. The taxes are raised to the point where the taxpayers leave the cities. The lib solution is to raise taxes which drives even more taxpayers out.

11 posted on 01/13/2003 6:23:10 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: *bang_list
I wonder if the Naional Rifle Association of Britain still exists?
12 posted on 01/13/2003 6:26:54 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Joe Brower
ping
13 posted on 01/13/2003 6:29:02 AM PST by Hat-Trick
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To: kattracks
"While we already have some of the toughest gun laws in the world, there has been an unacceptable increase in the flagrant use of guns in crime across the country," Blunkett said in a statement, noting that the new mandatory sentence will send criminals a clear message.

Yea, the message is "Criminals can use guns more flagrantly, since no one else has them"

14 posted on 01/13/2003 6:55:35 AM PST by Magoo (Rinos gotta go!)
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To: kattracks
You don't "Control"inanimate objects,you"Control"what is done by CRIMINALS in our societies that MIS-USE certain inanimate objects!!
15 posted on 01/13/2003 7:08:50 AM PST by bandleader
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To: kattracks
Don't you love that headline? Gun crimes jump "despite" tough restrictions!

Citizens disarmed and defenseless, criminals ignoring laws against having a gun......sounds like a recipe for an increase in crimes involving guns to me.

But then, I'm not a socialist. Rational thought comes fairly easily.
16 posted on 01/13/2003 7:49:30 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: Hat-Trick
As the NRA points out, England finds itself in the unenviable role of a "living laboratory" demonstrating what happens when the criminal element is coddled while the law-abiding denizens (can't call them 'citizens') are disarmed.

Any truly objective person must come to the conclusion that, when the postulate is that "making more laws controlling the already lawful will make society safer", this experiment is a failure.

Perhaps the English will someday get fed up and take steps to change things. Perhaps.


17 posted on 01/13/2003 8:16:42 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: kattracks
Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats said the statistics demonstrate the need for stricter gun-control measures.

"We're really really really really going to outlaw guns now!"

18 posted on 01/13/2003 10:45:32 AM PST by TigersEye (Not one scazzottata - but a pestaggio to blood.)
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To: SAMS
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

And the government.

19 posted on 01/13/2003 10:46:31 AM PST by TigersEye (Not one scazzottata - but a pestaggio to blood.)
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