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White flight of teachers resegregating South
page A2 of the Boston Globe / AP ^ | 1/13/2003 | Chad Roedemeier

Posted on 01/13/2003 6:28:58 AM PST by rface

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ECATUR, Ga. - Jason Johnston took a job at mostly black Midway Elementary School in hopes he could make a difference with the children who needed him most.

But Johnston, one of only a handful of white teachers at the school, decided to leave after less than a year, disillusioned by pupils who struggled, parents who weren't involved, and the pressure to meet state achievement standards.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: segregation
I don't think this is a re-post

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1 posted on 01/13/2003 6:28:58 AM PST by rface
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To: rface
I have a friend who left a school in the Atlanta area because she didn't appreciate it when a student called her a "white bitch" and the principal didn't punish the girl because as he put it "it's a cultural thing that you'll have to get used to".

She disagreed and is now at a school that places an emphasis on discipline.

2 posted on 01/13/2003 6:38:52 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: rface
Where can I begin?

I'll just say this: white people are evil no matter what they do or don't do.
3 posted on 01/13/2003 6:43:10 AM PST by Guillermo (Sic em')
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To: rface
It is a re posting of an article which appeared several days ago in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

White teachers are leaving these schools for obvious reasons--the commute to all black areas, the frustration aspects, and the discipline problems.

Curious, is it not, that a Boston paper things this newsworthy of a reprinting.

We'll next year that this is the natural progression of a "GOP Southern Strategy."

4 posted on 01/13/2003 6:44:49 AM PST by Bruce Buckley
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To: rface
But John Evans, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in DeKalb County, said no one should be surprised to see young white teachers leave for the suburbs after a year or two. Many teachers, especially young women, are scared of black neighborhoods and don't want to be there after dark, he said.

Evans rejected the idea that black schools can't be successful without white teachers. If they don't want to be there, then let them go, he said.


At least initially, it sounds like the this kind of resegregation only troubles white liberals.

Hmmm..... Could this be something that the NAACP (at least in GA) is downright happy about? Could they like Coleman Young in Detroit be actively encouraging white flight because it suits their politics? And who is to stop them if they are? "Courageous white liberals" like this journalist? Do they even exist anymore?
5 posted on 01/13/2003 6:46:40 AM PST by bourbon
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To: Bikers4Bush
Good post. My acid test is to reverse the situtation. If a white person called a black woman a 'black bitch', he would be suspended for inciting racial hate.

I was forced to attend a class entitled "Minorities, Women and the White Male" while working at Motorola. Guess what group was the target for everything that has gone on since the beginning of civilization? My point is that if it weren't for the white man, there still wouldn't be a civilization.
6 posted on 01/13/2003 6:50:48 AM PST by Hodar
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To: rface
bump ...
7 posted on 01/13/2003 6:56:20 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
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To: Hodar
"there still wouldn't be a civilization" that the poor NAACP could ask for money.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 6:58:17 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: rface
I have a friend (white) who teaches math in Hartford (99% black). She is fustrated that the majority of funding and a large fraction of her time is spent on non-academics. A lot of the funding goes for daycare for the high school kids children, free breakfast and lunches that go uneaten, social programs, security, etc. She says that many of the kids are discipline problems. She hasn't left yet, but she doesn't sound happy or fulfilled. But this has nothing to do with her being white.

I wonder how many black teachers want to leave the black schools?
9 posted on 01/13/2003 7:00:47 AM PST by kidd
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To: Hodar
When the students look at whitey for the root cause of all their problems no wonder the teachers are treated shabbily. If the Administration of the schools allow the students to mistreat the white teachers because it is a cultural thing is disgusting. I don't blame these people a bit for wanting to go to a school where they can teach instead of having to deal with a bunch of kids who don't want to learn and hate you for being there.
10 posted on 01/13/2003 7:01:33 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: Guillermo
I'll just say this: white people are evil no matter what they do or don't do.



hee hee.... that must be my problem! Each day I try very hard not to be evil, but it doesn't do any good. Now if I can just get my family to come to grips with this fact. ;^)
11 posted on 01/13/2003 7:03:27 AM PST by bourbon
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To: rface
My mother left an un-air conditioned public school in Georgia for an air conditioned vo-tech school when the student body became over 50% black and the desire to learn fell to less than 10% of the students. Her reason for leaving, "It's not the heat, it's the stupidity."
12 posted on 01/13/2003 7:05:08 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: rface
One of my friends basically got a huge scholarship through school to become a teacher as long as he agreed to teach for 2 years a black school in Mississippi. He hates his life now. Every day he goes to work praying he gets fired. He's severely tempted to quit before his term is up, even though it would mean forfeiting tens of thousands of dollars. The stories I hear about those kids, you wouldn't believe. I fear greatly for our nation when these future criminals grow up. Did I say future criminals, most of them have already committed hundreds of assorted crimes. The have no conscience. Unbelievable what decades of wellfare dependancy can do to a culture.
13 posted on 01/13/2003 7:06:41 AM PST by Godel
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To: rface
Evans rejected the idea that black schools can't be successful without white teachers. If they don't want to be there, then let them go, he said.

now, the really funny thing about this is these people are the ones currently arguing for "diversity" in the indiana/illinois case before scotus.

i wish they would all, well .... just go away somewhere where i never again have to see them, hear them, watch my country be destroyed by their hypocrisy ....

14 posted on 01/13/2003 7:11:14 AM PST by johnboy
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To: rface
The Boston Globe and their corporate parent, the New York Times, believe black Americans need them (formerly known as "Massa") to succeed.

OMG, we can't have all those little black children taught by (fill in the blank).

15 posted on 01/13/2003 7:12:50 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Godel
IMHO the fedgov.org will have to step up to the plate again and solve this problem. They will simply pass a law that all white teachers must spend 14% (thats approx. the population of blacks) of their time teaching at a all black school.
Neat and orderly solution to the problem. The fedgov. is easily capable of solving all minor problems such as this one. It is called socialism or facism and sooner or later the people who live in america will no longer vote for what is right but they will vote for bread and parties.
16 posted on 01/13/2003 7:20:01 AM PST by winodog
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To: Godel
just out of curiosity, where in Mississippi does your friend teach? We have some awful public schools here, and I just want to know how bad he's suffering.
17 posted on 01/13/2003 7:20:09 AM PST by bourbon
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To: Godel
I bet "Bring your dad to school day" is a bust there too.

Correlation and causation - lack of an involved parental father figure leads to anti-social behavior.

18 posted on 01/13/2003 7:23:58 AM PST by MrB
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19 posted on 01/13/2003 7:37:53 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: rface
And the solution is:

To treat all people with total color-blindness and be able to administer punishment/restrictions/sanction based on the student's attitude and actions without having to worry about being termed a hateful racist.

As long as we have racist liberals (yep racists who believe one color should get special dispensation to the harm/detriment of another color) the problems will continue, and it will continue to do more and more harm to those that they pretend to want to help.

If minorities want true equality and the pride/respect/self-esteem that goes along with it, they need to jump the sink-by-design ship of the Democrats and open their eyes to true Republican values.

20 posted on 01/13/2003 7:49:56 AM PST by trebb
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To: Godel
But Johnston, one of only a handful of white teachers at the school, decided to leave after less than a year, disillusioned by pupils who struggled, parents who weren't involved, and the pressure to meet state achievement standards.

From observing my wife's long public school involvement in Texas and California as both a volunteer and a certified teacher, the often overlooked factor in the success of a local public school system is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.

Even out here in whacked-out California, our experience with the local schools has been quite positive greatly due to the involvement of the parents. We do live in an area predominantly comprised of professionals who value their children's education enough to remain involved.

The local and state bureaucracies only have direct control over the teachers, the curriculum, and the educational standards. How will school districts with uninvolved/missing parents attain adequate support from the home front?

21 posted on 01/13/2003 7:53:41 AM PST by caprock
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To: rface
Ooooo, I wonder when the left will call the teachers who leave...racists?
22 posted on 01/13/2003 7:54:49 AM PST by Puppage
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To: rface
When I was 14 I had to switch from a almost all-white school to an almost all-black school. There were only 7 white people in my class of 32. This 10th grade class was reading at a 1st grade level. And they were EXTREMELY racist towards me. Weapons, drugs, and fights were the norm. This was 16 years ago! I did not stay there, I feared for my life. My best friend was beaten up because she was the ONLY white chear-leader. Why would a teacher want to be there either? Racism was ALWAYS the black students against the whites there. But no one ever got in trouble for it.
23 posted on 01/13/2003 8:13:14 AM PST by AFPS
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To: rface
Is part of the 'nuance' and 'cultural difference' a culture of not studying hard and feeling victimized by "white expectations of learning?"
24 posted on 01/13/2003 9:02:08 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: winodog
If blacks get to have proportional representation in every walk of life then I don't want to see 1 black over 14% in any walk of life either. I think they are WAY overrepresented and since many of them are undereducated or just plain stupid it has a lot to do with the devolution of american society.
25 posted on 01/13/2003 9:08:42 AM PST by johnb838 (deconstruct the left)
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To: AFPS
Same thing happened to me. In 1970.
26 posted on 01/13/2003 9:10:11 AM PST by johnb838 (deconstruct the left)
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To: Hodar
My point is that if it weren't for the white man, there still wouldn't be a civilization.

Exactly. The other week I was watching "In the Heartland" with John Kascich (sp?) on the Fox News Channel. He was interviewing the first Native American to be in space. I couldn't help but wonder how many thousands of years would have passed before the Apaches or Comanches developed their own space program if the white man had never came to North America(if ever?). Then I had to wonder if that made me a rascist or a realist.

27 posted on 01/13/2003 9:10:43 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: MrB
I bet "Bring your dad to school day" is a bust there too.

Tweeeet. 15 yards for unsporstmanlike conduct.

28 posted on 01/13/2003 9:14:06 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: kidd
I wonder how many black teachers want to leave the black schools?

Funny how that was my exact thought as I read the article. I'd be curious to see what the "black-flight" statistics are for schools like these. I find it hard to believe that black teachers, with an equal equity stake in their education aren't leaving as soon as the opportunities arise.

Of course, with that story you don't get to imply that white teachers are racist. You might just have to talk about the problems in inner-city schools.

29 posted on 01/13/2003 9:20:16 AM PST by Cable225
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To: MattinNJ
"but wonder how many thousands of years would have passed before the Apaches or Comanches developed their own space program if the white man had never came to North America(if ever?)."

They would likely never have done it but primarily because of their culture. I believe Indians and Blacks are adapative cultures while Whites are interventionist cultures.

Adaptive cultures use things as they find them and see no reason to change while interventions cultures bend things to their will, their sense of order. I believe this is the reason that Africa has gone nowhere in thousands of years and never will go anywhere period. It is also why interventionist cultures see adaptive peoples as free loaders and non-participants.

Until enough interbreeding takes place to implant the interventionist seed in everyone, things will remain as they are. Eventually however after some natural cataclysm, the adaptive cultures will most likely be the ultimate survivors...unfortunately.

30 posted on 01/13/2003 9:44:23 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: oldcomputerguy
Eventually however after some natural cataclysm, the adaptive cultures will most likely be the ultimate survivors...unfortunately.While I think Western Civilization faces some dark days, we will always win in the end. Thats why the Greeks beat the Persian Hordes, Alexander ran up and down Asia, and why Europe colonized Africa (and the reverse could never be true).
31 posted on 01/13/2003 10:49:27 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: rface
I live in NYC, and several of my friends teach. They gripe that they don't so much as blame the students as they do the parents, and there own union (they do this quietly lest they be punished by the almight union nazi's) and administration. One of my friends did admit that his school wound almost getting in trouble by a sort of resegregation plan (not intentional). Basically they came up with an advanced class, and the class was something like almost all oriental, with a couple of white kids, and 2 black kids who were immigrants (and no, they did not like being called african american, they found the term arrogant and insulting to them). They had to break it up when some parents who had never been involved before, and never showed up complained that it was a segregated setting, the principal simply dropped the program within a week.
32 posted on 01/13/2003 11:04:47 AM PST by Sonny M (Confuse the left with scare tactics, use common sense, they fear it.)
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To: MattinNJ
In a strictly military sense, the nations that currently reflect Western Civ could very likely take the field against all comers, if it came to that. But Western Civ is rotting from within - welfare statism, feminized vs masculinized culture, low birth rate, etc... Unless these trends reverse (and I cannot imagine that they will), then Western Civ will go down in the annals as yet another civilization that came and went. For a long time, there will remain groups and individuals remaining from the civ that will reflect her ideals and values, but the civ will eventually cease to be an identifiable force on the world scene.
33 posted on 01/13/2003 11:05:11 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: MattinNJ
Yep, one of Larry Elder's "Ten things you can't say in America"
34 posted on 01/13/2003 11:59:35 AM PST by MrB
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To: rface
There has been a trend toward making teacher pay increases contingent upon testing scores of the student population. The very fact that Blacks score consistently below Whites in every type of intelligence testing (an average of 15 points) means that a teacher at a predominately Black school will be punished for behavior that he/she can not influence. If everything else was even, this alone could cause White teacher flight. Unfortuneatly all other things are not equal. I suppose that would explain why even paying a premium for teachers to remain at predominately Black schools is insufficent to retain them. Things will not get better because both the White and Black establishment refuses honesty in these regards. Too bad.
35 posted on 01/13/2003 12:06:29 PM PST by JMP
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To: Bikers4Bush
Similar story here. My second cousin told me she taught middle school for a year in a Richmond VA city school. At the end of the school year, she said she thought her middle name was mother-f**ker.
36 posted on 01/13/2003 1:10:32 PM PST by msru
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