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Howdy Doody ID Card Accepted Here
GOPUSA ^ | Jan. 13, 2003 | Bobby Eberle

Posted on 01/13/2003 7:10:20 AM PST by madfly

Just when you thought we were making strides in homeland security comes another frightening reminder of how little seriousness is being placed on monitoring those who enter our borders. Introducing the Howdy Doody ID card -- also known as the Matricula Consular card.

The Matricula Consular (MC) card is not new, but it's gaining increased recognition as more and more politicians and citizens recognize how the MC card could be used by illegal aliens and potential terrorists to gain entry into America. The MC card is essentially an identification card which is issued by Mexican consulates to Mexican nationals. It is not a travel document nor is it a driver's license.

Mexicans who are legally in the U.S. have no need for an MC card because they already possess appropriate identifying documents such as a passport or green card. It is the illegal aliens who are eagerly waiting for their own MC card. As more and more businesses and institutions accept the MC card as a valid means of identification, illegal aliens are going to be more and more likely to use it.

The MC card does not give the bearer any legal status in the U.S. It is simply an ID card. It carries about as much weight as an ID card to the Howdy Doody Fan Club. Perhaps if I put my picture on my Blockbuster card, I could get into FBI headquarters.

According to the Consulate of Mexico in Boston, one of the requirements to get an MC card is to present a valid Mexican birth certificate. Give me $25, and I'll get you a "valid" Mexican birth certificate too. That and a U.S. mailing address are all you need. There are no background checks of any kind involved with getting an MC card. Simply supply the appropriate paperwork, and you have your own Howdy Doody ID card.

If businesses accept the MC card over other forms of valid identification (identification having more requirements) and it is easy to obtain, then we are essentially granting illegal aliens a "legal" status in the U.S. by allowing them to conduct transactions, purchase goods, or whatever else would take place at the accepting business or institution.

Rather than closing loopholes and cracking down on ways for terrorists to enter the country, we are now making it easier through the increased acceptance of the MC card. Now, individuals possessing an MC card can enter and conduct business in federal buildings. We are rolling out the red carpet and inviting the terrorists in.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) recently issued a statement praising the fact that individuals who carry the MC card will now have access to the Phillip Burton Federal Building and United States Courthouse at 450 Golden Gate Avenue in San Francisco.

These buildings are headquarters for FBI offices as well as other agencies which may be tempting targets for terrorists. In addition, by accepting the MC card, we are sending the wrong message to illegal aliens. As Americans we should welcome immigrants with open arms, and we do... as long as they enter our country legally. The MC card is but another disincentive to curbing the flood of illegal aliens.

In responding to Rep. Pelosi's statements, Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), a leading advocate in the fight against illegal immigration, is quoted in the Washington Times as saying, "There is no one in the United States of America that needs a [Mexican-issued] ID card other than someone who is here illegally or someone here who is a felon."

The MC card is currently not recognized by the federal government. However, some local governments have elected to accept the MC card as a valid form of identification. This will certainly lead to problems under the "equal protection clause" of the U.S. Constitution which requires that all laws be enforced equally.

The greater acceptance of the MC card also sends the wrong messages to Americans. Are we serious about protecting our borders and fighting the war on terror? Are we serious in cracking down on illegal immigration? Statements by legislators such as Nancy Pelosi send the wrong message.

It's hard enough to fight a war on terror and combat illegal immigration as it is now. Let's not make it any easier.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: madness; matricularid; pelosi; tancredo
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Bobby Eberle is President and CEO of GOPUSA (www.GOPUSA.com), a news, information, and commentary company based in Houston, TX. He holds a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Rice University.


1 posted on 01/13/2003 7:10:20 AM PST by madfly
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2 posted on 01/13/2003 7:13:34 AM PST by madfly (Welcome to the Phillip Burton Federal Building. Selective Service registration to the right.)
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To: madfly
**Bump**
3 posted on 01/13/2003 7:23:49 AM PST by TwoStep
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4 posted on 01/13/2003 7:24:11 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: madfly
Aren't the people who issue such documents aiding and abetting people who are violating this nation's immigration laws?

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

5 posted on 01/13/2003 7:24:42 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: madfly
I don't understand the opposition to the MC. Doesn't it, on its face, say that the bearer is an illegal alien and has no better identification?

IIRC, authorities can't ask about national origin without probable cause. Doesn't the MC answer that question and tell the cop that the guy in front of him should be taken into custody and the INS notified?

That our administration is unable/unwilling to protect our nation's southern border is clear. For some reason, we are treating Fox and his drug lord government like they had some negotiating position. And, even if they did, you know they would never live up to any agreement.

It is like the Rio Grande water. They've now "agreed" to provide about one third of the water owed. You KNOW they never will. There will be the usual Mexican whining and lame excuses why they can't do what they said as an excuse for what they couldn't do earlier.

The border must be sealed and we must take control of the gates of entry.

6 posted on 01/13/2003 7:25:23 AM PST by Tacis
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To: madfly
Do they issue MC drivers licenses too? I figure that if I get one, I can show it if I get ticketed. It will never get to my insurance company and my rates won't go up. Heck, If I use a false address and get an MC license plate, I can be totally anonymous and get away without paying the ticket too.
I wonder if I can use it with the IRS and get some tax relief?

What a country!!!

7 posted on 01/13/2003 7:27:18 AM PST by trebb
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
Without a doubt! Tancredo says, the only people who need these cards are illegals or felons. He was on FoxNews earlier and said that since Fox was unable to get the Amnesty bill passed, the open borders gang are working on city and State levels with this card to allow illegals all the benefits and privileges of documented aliens. And, one more thing, there are camps in South America where "Other Than Mexican", (OTM's) terrorists go to get "mexicanized" and obtain fake documents to enable them to enter the US as Mexicans.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 7:33:36 AM PST by madfly (Welcome to the Phillip Burton Federal Building. Selective Service registration to the right.)
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To: madfly
These cards are nothing more than an open ended blanket amnesty, are illegal, and should be treated that way by banks and business's in the USofA.

If Americans would start pulling their money out of banks that honor these cards, they would be dropped like a hot potato.
9 posted on 01/13/2003 7:40:46 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: madfly
Hey, if I trot down to Mexico and get me one of them cards
does that mean I can have free medical care?
10 posted on 01/13/2003 8:11:26 AM PST by The Duke
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To: madfly
Bump!
11 posted on 01/13/2003 8:13:14 AM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: Tacis
Doesn't the MC answer that question and tell the cop that the guy in front of him should be taken into custody and the INS notified?

Since most law enforcement agencies have agreed not to coordinate with the INS or report known illegals, it doesn't matter if these law breakers show cops their MC card or if they jump up and down with a bullhorn shouting "I'm an illegal!"

12 posted on 01/13/2003 8:23:19 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Since most law enforcement agencies have agreed not to coordinate with the INS or report known illegals, it doesn't matter if these law breakers show cops their MC card or if they jump up and down with a bullhorn shouting "I'm an illegal!"

That's why I'd like to see LEO's start asking for a second ID, a "Draft Card" which has nothing at all to do with the INS and failure to be registered in most cases, is a Felony. Who knows, this practice might turn up a few terrorists too!

13 posted on 01/13/2003 8:44:41 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
A back door to citizenship..a "secret" way to assure continued occupation of America by the invaders..all part of the New World Order.. yep ...the compassionate conservative and the congress has opened our borders and will not be detered by a little thing like our constitution
14 posted on 01/13/2003 8:52:31 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God)
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To: madfly
Oops, I thought this was another LIEberman thread.
15 posted on 01/13/2003 8:54:41 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: madfly
That's why I'd like to see LEO's start asking for a second ID, a "Draft Card" which has nothing at all to do with the INS and failure to be registered in most cases, is a Felony.

Yes, I like your idea. I know you have sent your thoughts to a few people, including Michelle Malkin. Have you also sent this idea to O'Reailly?

One thought though, LEO's claim they have adopted the policy in order to better able to police, i.e. reporting illegals will scare other illegals in the public from coming forward with info on crimes. Don't you think they will use this same bogus excuse not to ask for the Selective Service registration? When you are already knowingly disregarding laws on the books what's one more?

16 posted on 01/13/2003 9:15:59 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: MissAmericanPie
These cards are nothing more than an open ended blanket amnesty

RINO Bush couldn't get 245i passed after several tries, so he'll get his way against the wishes of the MAJORITY of Americans who vehemently oppose this insanity. Don't forget NumbersUSA.com free faxes to Bush and others to remind them of this fact.

17 posted on 01/13/2003 10:16:53 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: gubamyster
I sent this article to O'Reilly. Hope he brings it up.
18 posted on 01/13/2003 10:17:55 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
sent this article to O'Reilly. Hope he brings it up.

Great, he'll get a couple of copies, as I also sent it to him, the president, my congressman, the RNC & Sean Hannity. I hope somebody is taking a look at all these articles I send, but if nothing else, their delete key is getting a workout.

19 posted on 01/13/2003 10:22:59 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: madfly
I wonder if the U.S. banks and other businesses that are now accepting the Mexican issued ID card would accept an ID card issued by the government of Iraq.
20 posted on 01/13/2003 11:40:02 AM PST by judgeandjury
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To: trebb
Give me $25, and I'll get you a "valid" Mexican birth certificate too.

In all seriousness, what if a lot of genuine citizens started getting these?

21 posted on 01/13/2003 12:18:44 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: gubamyster
Yes, but how about, "This is a time of war, and unless you are a terrorist, you should have no problem with this law." I do understand LEO's position which also points out that if illegals are afraid to call the police, for fear of deportation, they will be put in danger and become an easy mark for thugs.

If nothing else, the illegals may not use their Matricular ID's if they know the officer/bank etc. will logon to the SS webpage to verify that they are registered, regardless of race, creed or color.

Thanks for the input. A work in progress. One freeper, who works on the road, has been dropping off copies of the SS laws in English and Spanish and has reports that quite a few people come in and read the Law and turn around and leave!

22 posted on 01/13/2003 12:40:47 PM PST by madfly
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To: jiggyboy
I like the concept. We should have the same "rights" as our illegal friends. Why should insurance rates go up, with non-english speaking non-licensed drivers getting the "Don't ask, Don't Tell" treatment.
23 posted on 01/13/2003 12:46:38 PM PST by madfly
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To: RnMomof7
"A back door to citizenship..a "secret" way to assure continued occupation of America by the invaders..all part of the New World Order.. yep ...the compassionate conservative and the congress has opened our borders and will not be detered by a little thing like our constitution" Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't let most of these folks hear you mention "the new World Order". To most of them it is a silly conspiacy theory only believed by the very stupid. And they will still be asleep when one day it is required of all Americans to have a special ID to be able to buy or sell even the essentials like food and medicine. Even then they will not recognise it for what it is..... not until the big announcement is made that one is required to swear allegance to the anti-christ before being issued his card. Of course even then most of them will not be able to recognise that the anti-christ is evil.
.... {{{{sigh}}}} I have given up even trying to convince them.
24 posted on 01/13/2003 12:47:15 PM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: gubamyster
Yes, I sent a few different things on SS to all the foxnews crew.
25 posted on 01/13/2003 1:07:22 PM PST by madfly
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
The quote from Bush,Sr begins at 1:59:00

"The benefits of free trade would seem clear, and yet some remain oblivious to the magic and the resilience of opening more markets at precisely the moment history beckons us to take wing and realize the promise of a New World Order in which ideas and commerce are more freely exchanged through the global village. Some seem intent on sticking there collective heads in the sand."

George H. W. Bush, 12-09-2002
"NAFTA at 10"

26 posted on 01/13/2003 1:12:03 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
sux!!!!!
27 posted on 01/13/2003 1:17:02 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: madfly; Tancredo Fan; trebb; Tacis
Hispanic culture in general by our Standards plays fast and loose with the concept of last name, anyway. This is a serious problem in ID-ing people for SS, DL, Green Card, Matricula Consular, or anything else.

José Gonzalez marries María Gomez. Sounds simple enough. But María now becomes María Gomez de Gonzalez, so for any official purpose she can be María Gomez, María de Gonzalez, or María Gonzalez, or María Gomez-Gonzalez. or María Gonzalez-Gomez. Even better, for purposes of registering as a Democrat, or collecting benefits, she can be all of those people and have ID to match. Absolutely no problema for María. Muy grande problema for anybody trying to figure out who anybody actually is, or is not.

José Gonzalez himself is actually José Gonzalez y Rodriguez (mother's maiden name), or The same number of variations as above. Their numerous offspring are Gonzalez y Gomez, or not.

When this interesting Hispanic name-game first came to light in NYC's Welfare Department, they had clients receiving benefits under many names ... many many names.

Ah Diversity, ya can't beat it!

28 posted on 01/13/2003 2:51:16 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: The Duke
Bump ... I was thinking more along the lines of an alternate ID.
29 posted on 01/13/2003 3:01:16 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
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To: Kenny Bunk
They caught one here shoplifting and found 4 different ID's on her ---all with different combinations of her names that she used to collect welfare from 3 different states.
33 posted on 01/14/2003 6:24:13 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Yes Fitz, me hearty bucko, if that's your name, or at least nom de freep, that's not the half of it.

As life and its vicissitudes occur in the mundo hispano, one may adjust the old handle in endless permutations from time to time. Latest "americanos" to join in the hispano-handle scam: our friends in the Gypsy, oh gosh excuse me, the Rom community.

ID in one's various names is no problem. Keeping the ID and cover story straight and matching it to the occasion is a challenge. But, then the pay and fringe benefits makes it all worthwhile.

For example, any Gypsy, oh gosh excuse me, Rom, who doesn't collect on at least 4 policies after an auto "accident" runs considerable social risk of being considered a slacker in the tribe .

All of this used to be considered just wry bad humor, even if a bit expensive for the rest of us with one hard ID. But now this laxness in our system has severe security connotations.

34 posted on 01/14/2003 7:28:12 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: gubamyster
Yes, I like your idea. I know you have sent your thoughts to a few people, including Michelle Malkin. Have you also sent this idea to O'Reailly?

Here's a link to O'Reilly and other news shows on Fox. Let's make our voices heard by those that have a large national audience.

Fox News E-Mail Link

35 posted on 01/14/2003 12:24:07 PM PST by WRhine
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