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Why libs will never have a Rush Limbaugh
Jewish World Review ^ | 1/9/03 | Marianne M. Jennings

Posted on 01/14/2003 2:56:58 PM PST by rhema

The New York Times frets. Its first front page for 2003 blared, "Outflanked Democrats Wonder How to Catch Up in Media Wars." The piece recounts the failures of liberals on radio and television: Mario Cuomo, Jim Hightower, Geraldo. Now Mrs. Marlo Thomas, Phil Donahue, tanks on MSNBC because the callers are not there.

Worse, bemoans the Times, a massive media juggernaut of conservatives, from Rush Limbaugh to Bill O'Reilly, monopolizes thought. Flummoxed Democrats quoted in the article sound daft. Liberals envision daily staff meetings of media baron Rupert Murdoch's conglomerate in which CEO Rush Limbaugh gives Sean Hannity, Michael Reagan, et al., their talking points for the day. They then toss darts at photos of Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn, and depart in black helicopters. "The vast right-wing conspiracy! It's alive!!!" liberals point and bellow.

John Podesta, former Clinton chief of staff, and Stephen Kirsch, Internet entrepreneur and $1.0 million donor in 2002 alone to the DNC, exclaim, "We need our own Rush Limbaugh!" Fools they be. There will never be a liberal Rush Limbaugh. Conservative talk radio, Fox News and conservative personalities succeed because the public chooses them.

Liberals continue attempts at end runs around human nature. Their Title IX litigation that demands parity for female collegiate sports drones on because people don't want to pay to watch broads shooting hoops. Policy wonks jabbering about how bad things are in America is not their cup of tea either. When Americans have a choice, whether in mid-term elections, TV, or radio listening pleasure, they choose conservatives.

Democrats approached Haim Saban, Hollywood mogul and creator of deeply moving entertainment such as "The Power Rangers," to fund a network to counter Fox. For conspiracy theory, left-wing style, check out Saban's political donations. He gave $10.7 million to the DNC in 2002 and tosses about $1,000 donations to Hillary, Jean Carnahan, Feinstein, Kerry, etc. as if they were quarters.

Even Saban told them to pound sand because he understands the bottom line of business, and there will be no ROI from liberals. Heck, even liberals don't listen to themselves. NPR, the taxpayer-funded liberal media machine, has an audience that is 72% conservatives.

Why do conservatives listen to NPR? Well, we don't get near as angry about Daniel Schorr's contortions or Nina Totenberg's hissy fits as liberals do about Jerry Falwell or Charlton Heston. We listen for the hoots. To us, NPR is pure unadulterated fodder for laughing out loud at the bias, feigned concern, and stewing and fretting over SUVs. Herein lies the Podesta blind spot. Liberalism is the entertainment.

But James Carville and John McCain, who called Mr. Limbaugh a "clown," mistakenly believe that the draw is the packaging. This bunch of ragtag media warriors is not exactly Hollywood material. Mr. Limbaugh has no guests on his show. Bill O'Reilly is not a particularly pleasing man to gaze upon, but he tackles what was once unspeakable. Rita Cosby of Fox News has a weekend-anchor-hired-out-of-Pittsburgh-look, but she has a nose for news and will not let interviewees wriggle out of answering.

Liberals can't do witty satire or rapier-sharp response and analysis. Al Franken's book, "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot," is about all liberal comedy can offer. Michael Gartner, former head of NBC news when Dateline got caught adding incendiary devices to enhance video of its staged exploding GM gas tanks, said in response to Mr. Limbaugh decrying the unfairness of the report, "He's a showoff, a showman and a jerk."

Media conservatives draw audiences because they are upbeat about life and America. Sean Hannity sounds happy and grateful. Mr. Limbaugh breathes opportunity in America. Mr. O'Reilly smiles with self-deprecation even during his hate mail. Author and JWR columnist Ann Coulter told CSPAN she has a great life, thanks to the American people.

Who on the left could be upbeat? Find me one happy liberal. Imagine Nina Totenberg and Barbra Streisand as joint hosts. The listeners would need Midol. "Now, pulling off the robes and tackling the issues of the day, your host, Ruth Bader Ginsburg!"

Conservatives offer a marketplace of ideas. Listeners and viewers tune in to debate, not grouse. Vouchers got their legs in conservative media and will not die because these outlets keep the data flowing. Welfare reform founds its roots here. These ideas, ultimately embraced by Clinton himself, work! It's substance, not form.

By contrast, Donahue recently had Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins on to discuss the war in Iraq. If you're looking for substance, Sarandon, Robbins and Donahue are dead men walking.

Liberals will never have their Rush Limbaugh. Liberals lack solutions, not media outlets for their tired musings. It ain't the messenger, stupid; it's the message.


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1 posted on 01/14/2003 2:56:58 PM PST by rhema
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 3:00:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: rhema
I think this cartoon just about says it all.


3 posted on 01/14/2003 3:01:30 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
On Rush's show today, he explained why the 'lieberals' cannot come up with an entertaining radio host like Rush ... it is the kooy policies and stances of the liberal left that he exposes with frank openness that makes for the entertainment! He's right ya know.
4 posted on 01/14/2003 3:04:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (Freepers Rule! As Lazamataz says, 'We are a force to be reckoned with.')
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To: MHGinTN
Yes, and where is Lazamataz lately? Haven't seen him around in a coon's age.
5 posted on 01/14/2003 3:07:45 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
Acually...the Dems should have a nightly TV show with Nina Burleigh as host....she'd give a BJ every night to a different Dem.lib.....it'd get killer ratings..
6 posted on 01/14/2003 3:10:09 PM PST by ken5050
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To: MHGinTN
What about Doug Steffan ?
7 posted on 01/14/2003 3:12:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MHGinTN
How does rush make his dough? He will be the first to tell you -- he sell's advertising. He get's sponsors because people want to listen to what he has to say. Sponsors equal air time.

If he was trying to sell the liberal mantra, his listeners would dry up overnight, his sponsors would flee and he would be out of the business faster than you could say "Jim Hightower is a brainless pretentious hick."
8 posted on 01/14/2003 3:13:43 PM PST by Ronin
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To: EggsAckley; Lazamataz
Yeah! Was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago. Laz ... Arise!
9 posted on 01/14/2003 3:13:45 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: rhema
Very good article!
10 posted on 01/14/2003 3:15:05 PM PST by Cuttnhorse (Beer is good for you)
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To: rhema
Folks its as simple as this. The reason Rush, Sean, Fox etc. are so popular is that the mainstream media is so far to the left and so bias in their reporting. With Rush we get people conservatives can agree with. With Fox at least we get balance that you do not get on CNN, CBS, NBC etc. The reason the left is yelling is because at long last their is an alternative and they do not like it. Also the mainstream media does not like it and they are in bed with the left.
11 posted on 01/14/2003 3:18:41 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: Cuttnhorse
Cuttnhorse (Beer is good for you) And science is finding more and more reasons every month for why beer is good for you. The latest has to do with protecting the brain from the effects of alcohol. Go figure! [Honey, do we have any Heineken or Corona in the garage fridge?]
12 posted on 01/14/2003 3:24:04 PM PST by MHGinTN (Freepers Rule! As Lazamataz says, 'We are a force to be reckoned with.')
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To: rhema
I thought they had fool donnyspew?
13 posted on 01/14/2003 3:26:56 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Fellowship of Conservatives)
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To: rhema
This is a good article.

I heard Rush state a few weeks ago, that HE should be cloned, raised by Bill and Hillary and THEN the DemoCraps would have TALENT. LOL!

14 posted on 01/14/2003 3:32:14 PM PST by spald
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To: rhema
Let me paraphrase a liberal talk show host:

"You cheapskate listerners. Dig deeper, give your money that you hardly even work for and certainly don't need to my friends..the welfare bums! And while you are at it get rid of your cars and start walking and riding you bike, you lazy idiot. And turn down the heat in your house and wear your jacket! Shape up you worthless American. And now back to our topic of the day, "Why the World Hates America".

And they wonder why their shows tank!

15 posted on 01/14/2003 3:37:44 PM PST by Voltage
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To: rhema
Rush Limbaugh succeeds so well with the average person because so much of liberalism is just plain stupid and lack common sense. Conservative principles, for the very most part, are not, and do not so lack.
16 posted on 01/14/2003 3:38:46 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: rhema
The liberals think talk radio, etc., will help them further get out their message. The problem is that liberal shows fail because average joe already knows what the message is, and what the message is going to be. So even liberals have no reason to turn in.

Liberals have no new ideas to offer, and their message cannot be supported by any intelligent analysis. Everyone either makes fun of it, or gets bored. Dems are morons. Worse yet, they are preachy morons.

Because they have no Rush Limbaugh, they have to send out their high-profile celebrities to spout their liberal mush...

Walking advertisements, those celebrities are, with slogannish one-liners...

17 posted on 01/14/2003 3:50:24 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: rhema
The point: You cannot have an intelligent leftist show since liberalism is without substance, as well as are those who carry its message...
18 posted on 01/14/2003 3:53:04 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: rhema
The solution for the Dims is so easy. They take talk radio the same way they win elections - cheat. They need to stuff the Nielsen ratings ballot box and pretend there really are lots of liberals out there. Sheesh.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 3:56:34 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: spald
I heard Rush state a few weeks ago, that HE should be cloned, raised by Bill and Hillary and THEN the DemoCraps would have TALENT. LOL!

Mario Cuomo is a far greater talent than Limbaugh but he couldn't get the liberal message across. Rush wouldn't be able to either. - Tom

20 posted on 01/14/2003 4:01:15 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: rhema
But, But....D.U. gots gold stars on their site!(/sarcasm)
21 posted on 01/14/2003 4:32:04 PM PST by Mark
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To: Fraulein
Excellent point. Big government is bad, small government good. Who honestly wants the government to have more control over our lives? Well, the Welfare liberals do it seems.

I always post this when I see it happen. Why do we need to use these idiotic names for anyone (Fool Dumbahue, Dumbocrats, Hitlery, etc...)? I mean, honestly, we know you disagree with their policies. So-called witty names have no place in intelligent political discussions. That's my only problem with talk radio. Those names are thrown about like they're so very funny, when in reality, they're just dumb.
22 posted on 01/14/2003 4:38:18 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Buckeye Bomber
When we no longer have liberals to kick around anymore, we no longer have FUN! I mean, what's the use of living anymore?
23 posted on 01/14/2003 4:54:10 PM PST by Mark
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To: Mark
I say, kick em around all you want. Put adjectives before their names. There are many good adjectives in the English language to describe the democratic party and its policies. Use those, not some dumb name. :-)
24 posted on 01/14/2003 5:01:03 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Buckeye Bomber
Why do we need to use these idiotic names for anyone (Fool Dumbahue, Dumbocrats, Hitlery, etc...)? I mean, honestly, we know you disagree with their policies. So-called witty names have no place in intelligent political discussions. That's my only problem with talk radio.

Because if you say it enough times it begins to stick in the publics mind. Think of what they call Republicans every night on the nightly news. Uneducated, racist,gun nut, right wing, homophobic, hate filled, heterosexual, K-Mart shopping, Bible Toting, conservative, Evangelical, Christian Taliban, anti choice, Nazi! Lets not forget the "angry white male" or the "vast right wing conspiracy". I much more of a problem with the "main stream news media".

Politics have never been a gentlemans sport

25 posted on 01/14/2003 5:15:37 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
What about Doug Steffan ?

I just sent a nastygram to my local talk radio station programming director in protest against the Doug Steffan show. Here was his response:

...good news for you and many others who won't tune in until after the 6-9 Doug Steffan show. A change is coming. Very soon, in fact. It will focus on local, national issues along with current events. Strangely, this area...democrats outnumber the republicans by a 2-1 margin. This program on from 6-9 is centered around liberals-yet no one wants to hear it. I think it is humorous.

Morning programming is, to be frank, a real bitch to find. Our hands were tied when Imus was forced off the air.

Imus cost us monthly $1,600. His numbers were slipping and advertisers were not buying. So we were spending that much and not even hitting half of the costs to run the program.

Rush, Sean Hannity and everyone else on our station cost absolutely nothing to air their programs. We stuck with Imus as long as we could..but the boat was nearly sunk when we pulled the plug.

26 posted on 01/14/2003 5:42:51 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Buckeye Bomber
Why do we need to use these idiotic names for anyone (Fool Dumbahue, Dumbocrats, Hitlery, etc...)?

Hear, hear. The sobriquets for Sen. Daschle bother me the worst. Like anybody here needs to be reminded who (or what) he is.

27 posted on 01/14/2003 5:52:50 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Buckeye Bomber
Those names are thrown about like they're so very funny, when in reality, they're just dumb

I've never heard a radio host use names like Fool Dumbahue, Dumbocrats and Hitlery. Those are all names I've only seen used by FReepers.

Here are some funny names I have heard radio hosts call Libs and other RATS, though:

Tom "Puff" Daschle

El Loco Poco Dicko

Algore

Grayout Davis

Gray Doofus

Gay Davis

Patsy "The Squint-Eyed" Schroeder (a blast from the past that still brings a smile to my face)

Calypso Louie

Serpenthead

The Forehead

28 posted on 01/14/2003 5:56:01 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle
I do like "Algore". I will tolerate that one. It's dumb, but at least it doesn't involve something stupid.

Gay Davis? Now there's a good one. I'm not actually asking for political correctness, but maybe if there weren't so many homophobic people in the Republican party, the Democrats would stop calling us homophobes. Well, knowing their modus operandi, they probably wouldn't, but even so, homophobia can't be good for a party that wants the government off of our backs.
29 posted on 01/14/2003 6:42:59 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Uncle Hal
Chuck Adler, of WRKO in Boston, remarked that "conservatives more easily relate to the values of middle-class listeners. Liberals feel superior to working families. Conservative talk-show hosts champion the values liberals disdain, like the work ethic—work hard and you’ll get ahead."
30 posted on 01/14/2003 6:48:17 PM PST by fight_truth_decay (this space for rent)
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To: EggsAckley
Rush completely spoils the fantasy that the Liberals try to project in dominating the mainstream media.
31 posted on 01/14/2003 6:58:55 PM PST by fight_truth_decay (this space for rent)
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To: rhema
To be a liberal today you have to believe, against all evidence, that most Americans are starving in squalid lean-tos eating scraps of food thrown out of their SUVs by disgustingly rich and wasteful environment -polluting Republicans. You have to believe that the Klan, actually every white Southerner and most Republicans wherever they are, still lynches Blacks and other minorities by the thousands yearly. You have to believe that every last wild tree has been cut down and that all the wilderness has been paved over for corporate parking lots. You have to believe that all men, when they are not sexually assaulting women, are making them have babies while cleaning the house (excuse me lean-to) and cooking the meager fare they've got because the nasty Republicans ate most of the food. Liberals think all conservatives are armed to the teeth with guns that go off by themselves and make normally peaceful persons crazed killers by the mere possession of a firearm. Naturally the nasty white Republicans got to the big pile of money that was just lying there first and took the lions share without working a day in their lives. Republicans are itching to start wars and invade peaceful countries full of non-violent and humane rulers like Saddam Hussein.

To be a liberal today is to be at war with reality and logic. If you think I'm making these generalities up, just visit some of the Democratic websites like DU and others.

32 posted on 01/14/2003 7:18:09 PM PST by driftless
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To: Buckeye Bomber
C'mon...tell me you didn't laugh the first time you heard "Hildabeast".
33 posted on 01/14/2003 7:38:33 PM PST by motzman (Screw NJGOP, support Schundler)
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To: rhema
Good Post
34 posted on 01/14/2003 7:46:41 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: Capt. Tom
Mario Cuomo is a far greater talent than Limbaugh

Wha..Wha..WHAT!
35 posted on 01/14/2003 7:47:50 PM PST by motzman (sfachim!)
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To: Capt. Tom
....Mario Cuomo is a far greater talent than Limbaugh ...
I respectfully and fully disagree with your statment. Rush is good because his message is good but also because he takes his craft seriously. He knows every detail of his business and has the inspiration and drive to succeed. Who else could carry on a talk radio probgram for months without the ability to hear!!!?

Rush is one of the few that could do the program as a liberal and still succeed. His talent and ability would make up for the shallow message.
36 posted on 01/14/2003 7:49:47 PM PST by Joe_October (Freep on Brother)
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To: colorado tanker
They need to stuff the Nielsen ratings ballot box and pretend there really are lots of liberals out there. Sheesh.

An excellent plan! They would be burning up money that would otherwise go toward buying and litigating elections and they would be heard by no one.

37 posted on 01/14/2003 7:55:32 PM PST by arthurus
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To: rhema
great piece
38 posted on 01/14/2003 8:05:28 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: motzman
Nope.
39 posted on 01/14/2003 8:06:00 PM PST by altair (who doesn't find any of the name calling here funny, only childish)
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To: rhema
Good post!

It seems to me there won't be a liberal Rush, and I have evidence to support my theory. The sneaky evidence is the fact that there isn't one. If one could do what he does, one would be doing what he does. The market won't sustain it, for reasons that have been gone over and over.

It's not like it hasn't been tried, right? There's nothing stopping anyone from taking the red flag and waving it.
40 posted on 01/14/2003 8:13:32 PM PST by lainie
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To: Capt. Tom
I lived for 12 years under Coomo's deadly-dull misrule. I've listened to Limbaugh for 13 years, and watched his TV show more or less regularly. So I've had plenty of opportunity to evaluate both men, on radio and TV in both cases and, unfortunately in the case of Mr Coomo, in political office. So I wonder what sort of talent you refer to in saying Coomo is more talented than Rush. If you mean as radio hosts, I must wholeheartedy disagree. Coomo is boring and inept on radio and TV, I mean in addition to being a lying patrician dog.
41 posted on 01/14/2003 8:25:43 PM PST by redbaiter
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To: Capt. Tom
spald: "I heard Rush state a few weeks ago, that HE should be cloned, raised by Bill and Hillary and THEN the DemoCraps would have TALENT. LOL!"

Your post #20: "Mario Cuomo is a far greater talent than Limbaugh but he couldn't get the liberal message across. Rush wouldn't be able to either. - Tom"

You are missing the kernel of humor in the whole discussion.

42 posted on 01/14/2003 8:57:11 PM PST by spald
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To: spald; motzman; Joe_October; redbaiter
When I say Mario Cuomo is a better talent I mean as far as articulating a view. Unfortunately for the lefties the views are challenged in talk radio and unless you can defend your position you are in trouble. And they can't stand up to questioning. That's why it doesn t work for them

Years ago before Cuomo had a talk show I said to my wife,"If I go out and randomly kill 30 innocent people I want Mario Cuomo to give my side of the story. Mario is full of bull, but delivers it better than anyone I know. Limbaugh has it easy because he is right.

The real talent comes in conning people. It's easy to convince someone that 5+2=7 you have a lot of facts on your side. Try to convince them that 5+2=8

Both Limbaugh and Cuomo can do the 5+2=7 bit, but my money is on Cuomo to convince more people than Limbaugh that 5+2=8. - Tom

43 posted on 01/15/2003 7:33:33 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: rhema
Libs won't have a Rush, because a lot of them don't need the reinforcement of hearing somebody saying the same thing day after day.
44 posted on 01/15/2003 7:35:42 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Capt. Tom
Hmmm...perhaps. A valid arguement. I've heard Limbaugh take the liberal side of an arguement for fun, and he's pretty good at it.

But, do we really need anymore "talented" con-men in the politcal arena?
45 posted on 01/15/2003 7:41:34 AM PST by motzman (Bob Grant loves Mario Cuomo)
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To: Lady Heron
I think the Latin expression is: "Repetitio est mater studiorum".

Translation: Repetition is the mother of studies!
46 posted on 01/15/2003 7:42:09 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: altair
OK. Obviously, when debating politics outside of a conservative forum, the term "Hildabeast" stays in it's sheath.

And even if these terms weren't used, we would still be accused of being evil anyway...
47 posted on 01/15/2003 7:46:22 AM PST by motzman (Who let the dogs out?)
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To: Buckeye Bomber
Just for your information a true homophobe is a homosexual who calls himself "gay."
48 posted on 01/15/2003 7:49:10 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: EggsAckley
Laz seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. His last post was on 11/25/2002.

To: exit82

In case no one has told you lately Laz, you're a good man. Glad to hear you are making the most of a second chance.

Thank you. I certainly have many flaws and areas to work on, but we all continue to develop and work on ourselves throughout our life.

Second chances are hard to come by. Magoo got one. In some ways, I did. In some ways, I did not. Healthy living is important from a physical, spiritual, and emotional level. I have learned this, and many other things.


207 posted on 11/25/2002 7:59 AM PST by Lazamataz
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49 posted on 01/15/2003 8:08:43 AM PST by RayBob (Put your ad here!)
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To: RayBob
Wow! He's been gone THAT long! I recall that he was getting married about that time; I suppose he's just being busy being married.
Thanks.
50 posted on 01/15/2003 8:11:56 AM PST by EggsAckley
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