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What Gangs of New York Misses
City Journal ^ | January 14, 2003 | William J. Stern

Posted on 01/14/2003 3:57:12 PM PST by aculeus

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To: Clemenza; nopardons
Clemenza...you are correct..The movie Ride With The Devil deals with pro-Unionist German settlers in Missouri and Arkansas and the uncivil civil war there...not too shabby or preachy.

NP, (dudette)...lol....I hear Thomas Barksdale stirring and it's my time to give him his Enfamil Low Iron since I'm fooling around here and Annette is sawing logs.

Good Night....nice to hear from you....I'll reply about my dilletante anarchist later.
51 posted on 01/14/2003 11:27:29 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
It's written by the head chef at Les Halles in Manhattan and is sort of an expose of kitchen culture and his own perilous route through it all. He started out as a prep school kid.

Chef Anthony Bourdain bump!

52 posted on 01/14/2003 11:27:32 PM PST by Clemenza (Needs to cut back on the sfogitelle and cannoli)
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To: nopardons
LOL...sorry.
53 posted on 01/14/2003 11:28:07 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Clemenza
Dear, it's really " East side, West side, all around the town... " and was written by Mayor Gentle Jim Walker. Please correct your tag line. :-)

P.S. Do you want / need the rest of the lyrics ?

54 posted on 01/14/2003 11:28:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Clemenza
I love NEW YORK, and can quote almost every important line in most big budget historical movies in the last &$%# years...LOL I own most of them on DVD VHS... This dog just don't hunt...and I am a bit worried about any guy that doesn't like Con Air, ....just an observation...Ha!
55 posted on 01/14/2003 11:30:47 PM PST by carlo3b (Tell your kids you love them today, tomorrow may be too late....)
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To: wardaddy
Give Master Tom a kiss from me and don't worry about how long it takes to reply.

LOLing at the " dudette " thingy and I have a whole bunch of new things to help ya with the " anarchist " pretender. :-)

56 posted on 01/14/2003 11:31:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: carlo3b
Hey sweety, have you been watching the PBS three parter on Chicago ? Tonight's episode was out of this world ! No bias, no lefty garbage; just pure historical fact. :-)
57 posted on 01/14/2003 11:33:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Thanks for the correction. For some odd reason, James T. Farrell decided to open Studs Lonigan (which, ironically, includes ANOTHER Black vs. Irish Riot, that of Chicago in 1919) with the lyrics to this song.
58 posted on 01/14/2003 11:36:07 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: nopardons; Clemenza
Don't tell me that !!!!!!! I thought that was next week.. Sh#% ok what have I missed...point me to a review so I can eat my heart out...psst...only just be sure it's not written by Clemenza...smirk....LOL
59 posted on 01/14/2003 11:37:42 PM PST by carlo3b (Tell your kids you love them today, tomorrow may be too late....)
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To: Clemenza
Read the book, saw the movie, and the T.V. miniseries of " STUDS LONIGAN ". The book is the best of the three. Why something, taking place in Chicago, would have that song playing as an opener, is beyond me.

I grew up not only singing " SIDEWALKS OF N.Y. ", but doing the trational tap dance ( really a soft shoe ) of it. It's one of those things that is forever engraved in my brain. :-)

60 posted on 01/14/2003 11:44:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: aculeus
bump
61 posted on 01/14/2003 11:54:39 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: carlo3b
I haven't a clue, as to there being or not a thread, here, on it, nor a review. SORRY ! Watch the last bit tomorrow night.

I missed the first one ( my husband taped it for me and I haven't watched it yet ), as I was taping " BENEDICT ARNOLD ", which I saw after the program that I was watching. Why they put on multiple interesting shows, all on the same noght, at the same time, after a dearth of things to see, is quite beyond me. :-(

Anyway, tonight's episode began with Mrs. O'Leary ( they cleared her name )and the Chicago fire. Then, it went through the Fields, Pullman, Louis Sullivan, Chicago architecture ( nice shots of Carson Pirie Scott, Marshall Field's , etc., etc. ), the anarcists and the Hay Market riots. It was spectacularly well done and I am a VERY harsh judge. You would have loved it. I am SO very sorry that you missed it. They'll probably repeat it, sometime ; keep on the lookout for it.

62 posted on 01/14/2003 11:58:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: wardaddy
I posted this tour of five points in a previous thread. It's not bad.
63 posted on 01/15/2003 12:52:50 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Clemenza
Thanks....for the spelling cue.
64 posted on 01/15/2003 8:38:45 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Bonaparte
Thanks..nice link. I now have a pretty good picture of the place. I remember folks talking about it when I lived there on occasion. Basically the area north of Park St and Park Row to the lower end of Mulberry.
65 posted on 01/15/2003 9:28:38 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Clemenza
Thank you for the correction. As you point out, there were few Polish immigrants anywhere in America in the 1860s. German immigrants and German Americans, of course, were far more numerous. I'm not aware that any of them living in the North, whether Protestant, Catholic, or freethinker, had much sympathy for the Confederacy. However, not all German Texans or German Southerners were Unionists. For example, relatives of Chester Nimitz, German-American naval chief of operations in the Pacific during World War II, fought for the Confederacy.

That the movie claimed German and Polish immigrants fought with the Irish in the New York draft riots is just another example of Director Scorcese's leftist bias.

66 posted on 01/15/2003 3:18:58 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
Some of the Irish in New York City were sympathetic to the Confederacy.... None of this was depicted.

WTF? The movie included repeated clear depictions of the Irish mob disdain for the Union (e.g. the vegetable bombardment of the Uncle Tom's Cabin stage play).

67 posted on 02/10/2003 5:17:57 PM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
The vegetable bombardment of the Uncle Tom's Cabon show was a mixed message. It was the nativist leader played by Daniel Day-Lewis who led the vegetable bombardment. The placards saying, "New York Should Secede," were held by people not identified as either Irish Catholic or English Protestant. As I mentioned previously, "Bill the Butcher" is shown as anti-Lincoln and pro-slavery. In actuality, the former Know Nothings, largely working class men of English Protestant background, migrated to the Republican Party after the American and Whig parties collapsed. A real life Bill the Butcher would have been pro-Union and pro-Lincoln.
68 posted on 02/11/2003 7:02:29 AM PST by Wallace T.
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