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Lay Off Mel Gibson (Jesus as God and they believe in that )
newsmax ^ | 1/16/2003 | James Hirsen

Posted on 01/16/2003 8:44:05 AM PST by TLBSHOW

Lay Off Mel Gibson

Mel Gibson stands out in Hollywood like an oak tree in a field of ragweed. You see he doesn't share the values, beliefs or lifestyles of the left in Tinseltown. He actually makes meaningful films with messages that celebrate family, faith and freedom. And worst of all for the entertainment libs, he's super successful at it.

Gibson has really gone and done it this time. Some folks in the liberal establishment are extremely uncomfortable with the actor/director/producer's latest project. It turns out that his company has underwritten a film that Gibson himself is directing. The working title is "The Passion," and it's about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

This is completely unacceptable to some. Not only is this film not going to demean Christianity, as other flicks like "The Last Temptation of Christ" and "Jesus of Montreal" have done, but Mel is actually using Scripture as his guide and telling the literal truth.

"Tolerant" liberals can't stand for this type of material being disseminated. The anti-Christian types may have already begun their opposition research. In fact, it appears as if the snoop troops are out in full force.

Gibson went on Fox News' "O'Reilly Factor" and indicated that a print reporter is nosing around his family, friends and even his 85-year-old father. There's apparently an attempt to dig up some dirt in hopes of harming Mel and his project.

In answer to O'Reilly's questions, the filmmaker responded with the directness of a faith-filled individual.

Gibson referred to Christ's death as a "sacrifice willingly taken."

When speaking of those who might appreciate the film, Gibson said, "I think anybody that is in the know about Jesus as God – and they believe in that – realize that he was brutalized and that I'm exploring it this way." That's the statement of an unabashed believer in the deity of Jesus.

Gibson spoke of the actual suffering that will be displayed in the film in this way: "When you look at the reasons behind why Christ came – why he was crucified – he died for all mankind and he suffered for all mankind, so that, really, anybody who transgresses has to look at their own part or look at their own culpability."

We all pretty much know this isn't the usual theology of Hollywood. The film will utilize languages of the New Testament period – Aramaic and Latin. Gibson believes that a filmmaker can "transcend language with the message through image."

It looks like the worldview of some folks is seriously threatened by the combination of Gibson's talent and Christ's story. Whatever the case, it's a sure bet that a lot more Americans are grateful to Mel Gibson and won't take kindly to some lefty-led filth-finding expedition. Maybe it's time for such so-called journalists to get a new hobby. Or maybe even find religion.


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1 posted on 01/16/2003 8:44:05 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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2 posted on 01/16/2003 8:44:49 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: TLBSHOW
I loved his work in We Were Soldiers. Very clear pro-family, pro-marriage undercurrents in that movie, including the famous line (paraphrased from my memory): "What is the last thing a man says when he's dying on the battlefield? 'Tell my wife I love her.'" Liberals, if the really thought about it, would hate that line because 1)It portrays soldiers as the human beings they are. And 2) It confirms that marriage is more than a social, economic, or legal institution: It is also a spiritual one, and therefore it is not obsolete.
3 posted on 01/16/2003 8:48:11 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: TLBSHOW
wonderful piece - thanks for posting
4 posted on 01/16/2003 8:50:11 AM PST by Notwithstanding (America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I say it here and now...as Peter denied Christ three times as the cock crowed, that was written on purpose so we (oops) I, know the courage to declare my love of Christ

Count me a soldier for Christ, it's a battle I'd love
to fight
5 posted on 01/16/2003 8:51:25 AM PST by cactusSharp
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To: TLBSHOW
A film like this will give a mulitiudes of people their first positive exposure to the life, death and resurection of Christ. Hopefully Mel overcome his critics There are a lot of fertile souls out there.
6 posted on 01/16/2003 8:53:05 AM PST by oyez (Ammo first.)
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To: TLBSHOW
"Braveheart" was wonderful. He said that the movie about Christ used Latin and Aramaic dialect because the VISUAL portrayal spoke the words. Sometimes I think that Gibson is an angel; just here to keep our hopes up.
7 posted on 01/16/2003 8:55:18 AM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: TLBSHOW
I am interested to know how Gibson's movie ends. Is Jesus in the grave or is He risen?

Hollywood always dismisses the Resurrection.

Does anybody know how Mel will film it?
8 posted on 01/16/2003 8:55:43 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: cactusSharp
I'm with you too.

Pax vobis cum
9 posted on 01/16/2003 8:56:08 AM PST by tractorman
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To: cactusSharp
Count me in. Ever heard "Watch My Back" by Keaggy, King and Dente?
10 posted on 01/16/2003 9:00:11 AM PST by Skooz ($ Your ad can go here $)
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To: TLBSHOW
Here's a link to another thread about Mel, this movie and the spiritual warfare that surround it.
11 posted on 01/16/2003 9:00:24 AM PST by condi2008 (Pro Libertate)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Just from reading Gibson's comments I'd say he will portray
the resurrection as it is in the Bible. Maybe, though, like
Christ, the movie will have no end...
13 posted on 01/16/2003 9:03:02 AM PST by Russ
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I think this is key. "The last Temptation" Didn't have
the guts to take on the Resurrection. I love Mel, and I
hope is does portray the Resurrection, but my feeling is
he'll do a great movie that ends at the Crucifixion.

14 posted on 01/16/2003 9:06:29 AM PST by paultwynn
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To: TLBSHOW
My respect for Mel Gibson only continues to grow, (despite the anti-NRA BS in Lethal Weapon 4). Reminds me of a story told to me by a shopkeeper in Harbor Springs, Mich. last year.

Seems Mel, who built a resort home there, was in the shop one day with his whole family. That's right, all seven kids and wife. He had assembled all the kids at the door and told them "don't touch anything." As they rambled around, one of the youngest reached out at something, then hesitated and looked at Dad. His stare back was all it took, nothing was said. This shopkeeper said Mel's family was one of the most polite, well behaved that he can recall. Think I know why....Regards

15 posted on 01/16/2003 9:06:39 AM PST by bullseye1911
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To: Support Free Republic
I suggested to my son that he mention this production to his Latin teacher. She will finally have something to show her students besides Ben Hur and Gladiator.

More seriously, this film could lead to many being saved who would otherwise never be reached by any other form of outreach. That, above all else, will make it the target of all who, knowingly or not, follow the Enemy.

16 posted on 01/16/2003 9:07:41 AM PST by katana
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To: TLBSHOW
It's not hard to understand liberals utter contempt for such a outward expression of true faith in the guy upstairs. Hollywood's conditioned its liberal friends by letting Alanis Morrisette (Dogma) and Whoopi Goldberg (some Christmas movie) play the Almighty. Can anyone think of anything more blasphemous?

Supposedly, according to the National Enquirer the New York Times is among those "publications" that are digging into the background of Gibson (and his family) to find some sort of dirt to discredit him. Don't be surprised to see some Frank Rich-authored and/or sponsored expose in NYT magazine the week before Gibson's film is released.
17 posted on 01/16/2003 9:08:55 AM PST by BaghdadBarney
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To: TLBSHOW
For the life of me I cannot understand what the shouting is all about. You'd figure it would be those bible-thumping Christian fellers (you know, the ones who have been the villains in Hollywood films for the last couple of decades) who would be raising a ruckus, but it seems it's not. It is extremely revealing that the Hollywood types are perfectly comfortable with the image of Jesus as gay, degenerate, a gang leader, or a psalm-singing trapeze artist, but not as Savior. While I would not stoop to accusing them of experiencing twinges of conscience, there must be a more delicate way of describing this particular sort of spiritual discomfort...
18 posted on 01/16/2003 9:12:59 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: TLBSHOW
I like Gibson's movies,I will see this one.

Even if I can't understand the words.

19 posted on 01/16/2003 9:14:21 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: TLBSHOW
Liberals are evil.
20 posted on 01/16/2003 9:14:46 AM PST by moyden
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To: TLBSHOW
I WILL see this film! I don't go to the movies very often because I see enough sex and violence on TV but THIS film is one I will DEFINATELY see!
21 posted on 01/16/2003 9:15:23 AM PST by teletech
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To: TLBSHOW
On last night's Factor, O'Reilly stated that he had discovered the identity of the journalist/character assassin, but was withholding the name for the time being until he got rock solid proof. He indicated that he writes for the New York Times (big shocker).

Gibson is a brave man; he'll probably never be hired again by a major studio after doing this work.

22 posted on 01/16/2003 9:15:55 AM PST by jpl
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To: TLBSHOW
I rarely see any movies in the theater, but I will make a point of seeing this one to show my support.
23 posted on 01/16/2003 9:18:16 AM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: BaghdadBarney
No offense, but I consider it blasphemous to refer to God as "the guy upstairs". I do not find it respectful in the least bit, kind of on the level of Whoopi Goldberg playing the Almighty in your post.

True faith in God acknowledges him as God, not as an upstairs neighbor.

24 posted on 01/16/2003 9:18:29 AM PST by P8riot
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Some folks in the liberal establishment are extremely uncomfortable

Tough for them rats! If they made good movies and not garbage maybe people would respect them instead of slamming the Hollywood rats all the time. They must feel so LEFT out without impeached to hang out with at the WH. And now they want to attack Mel because they know this movie will destroy all their smears of christians. Liberal Rats are going to be sent back to the stone age and they know it.
25 posted on 01/16/2003 9:21:11 AM PST by TLBSHOW (There is one God and his story is in the Bible and in each of our hearts!)
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To: Billthedrill
...there must be a more delicate way of describing this particular sort of spiritual discomfort...

I would say that are experiencing twinges of conscience. :0)

26 posted on 01/16/2003 9:21:28 AM PST by Skooz ($ Your ad can go here $)
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To: jpl
How about 'The Patriot'? I think it is one of the best movies ever made. Story, cinematogrophy, acting, etc. Everything was fabulous about the movie. Mel's conservative colors came flying through in that movie.
27 posted on 01/16/2003 9:21:46 AM PST by TritonPro20
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To: TLBSHOW
To the leftwing media who mocks Gibson for the stand he takes and who run down Christianity, I'm not going to bother to tell them "where to go" because as sure as a baserunner standing on third goes "home" on a bases loaded walk, they're going where THEY'RE going!
28 posted on 01/16/2003 9:28:09 AM PST by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: TritonPro20
Of course! He who protests the loudest......
Go Mel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks be to God

29 posted on 01/16/2003 9:29:29 AM PST by Former
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To: TLBSHOW
"I think anybody that is in the know about Jesus as God – and they believe in that – realize that he was brutalized and that I'm exploring it this way. . . . When you look at the reasons behind why Christ came – why he was crucified – he died for all mankind and he suffered for all mankind, so that, really, anybody who transgresses has to look at their own part or look at their own culpability."

Well said, Mel. If you can be faithful to the biblical narrative and its point of view--and make a good, compelling, high-quality movie--I will be happy.

The risk here, commercially, is not so much a Christian point of view but the use of Aramaic and Latin. (Although personally, as a grad student in theology, I have to know those languages, and so I am looking forward to the film for that reason also,)

As I recall, the last good, commercially "mainstream" production of the life of Christ I've seen was Franco Zefferelli's mini-series production of some 25 years ago.

30 posted on 01/16/2003 9:38:09 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, Ph.D. student in Biblical Studies)
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To: TLBSHOW
Sounds like a great movie. There is another Christian movie coming out soon called "Time Changer" where a school teacher from the 1890's travels through time to current day. It shows how he reacts at a public school of today and at a movie theater, etc. It looks like it could be a wake up call.
31 posted on 01/16/2003 9:45:19 AM PST by brazos.357
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To: paultwynn
he'll do a great movie that ends at the Crucifixion

That would have Christ as merely a great martyr. The Resurrection is what distinguishes Our Saviour. When the Apostles were left alone, they could have had just a story but when He arose and reappeared to them, they had the Fulfillment and a religion that has swept the Earth. "I will be with you, even to the end of time."

When we gather in church it is not a memorial service, nor mere ritual or symbolism. At the Communion He is physically present.

Gnash your teeth, Hollywood!

32 posted on 01/16/2003 9:45:45 AM PST by Procyon
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To: Skooz
no , tell me about it in freeper mail
and thx
33 posted on 01/16/2003 10:04:53 AM PST by cactusSharp
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To: Charles Henrickson
(Although personally, as a grad student in theology, I have to know those languages, and so I am looking forward to the film for that reason also)

I will probably see the film in the theaters, to show support, and HOPE that the DVD version has sub-titles or translation...like Das Boot, for example. I think my viewing experience would be enhanced with the dialogue as well as the visual impact.
34 posted on 01/16/2003 10:08:24 AM PST by justshe (Freeploaders--$5/month donation is a cheap co-pay to treat left wing disease of FREEPLOADING!)
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To: P8riot
Chill out Tuaqcamada,,, the Inquisition's been over for 500 years...
35 posted on 01/16/2003 10:20:36 AM PST by BaghdadBarney
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To: TLBSHOW
but Mel is actually using Scripture as his guide and telling the literal truth.

Well, no, not really. Mel is going to perhaps tell the story as written in the Bible. But who knows if that's "truth"?

36 posted on 01/16/2003 12:11:55 PM PST by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: BaghdadBarney
Your reference to Torquemada is unfortunate in that it is

a) out of context - we are not talking about the inquisition

b) mispelled - Chill out Tuaqcamada,,,

c) inaccurate - I am not forcing anyone to believe anything

d) totally uncalled for - I was simply stating that I felt that it was just as disrespectful to call God the "guy upstairs" as it is to have him portrayed so flippantly by the media. To have a true faith in God you must acknowledge him as he has declared himself and not as an "off the cuff" afterthought.

I will not Chill out. I was being civil, you could at least respond in like manner. This is an open forum afterall.

37 posted on 01/16/2003 1:02:03 PM PST by P8riot
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To: P8riot
it certainly is an open forum and there's nothing "out of context" to my reference to Torquemada. and who gives a you-know-what if it was mispelled. I didn't know I was handing in a term paper, professor! (btw genius, you might want to capitalize the H in "himself.")

Let's get something straight: God is the Man upstairs! He's upstairs in heaven, not some "neighbor" of mine. And I'll refer to Him as such. Like I said, chill out Tuaqcamada...
38 posted on 01/16/2003 2:28:11 PM PST by BaghdadBarney
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To: BaghdadBarney
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/misc_20021121.html <---Excellent pics from the movie here, trying to figure out how to post....
39 posted on 01/16/2003 2:40:11 PM PST by Delbert
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40 posted on 01/16/2003 2:44:57 PM PST by Delbert
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41 posted on 01/16/2003 2:45:56 PM PST by Delbert
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To: Delbert
There are a lot of Christians on F/R I hope everyone here supports this movie full force when it comes out...to not only support Mel Gibson for having the cajones to make this movie, but also to send a message to Hollyweird showing their is a market for Good Movies.
42 posted on 01/16/2003 2:48:57 PM PST by Delbert
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To: Luis Gonzalez
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43 posted on 01/16/2003 9:03:56 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: BaghdadBarney
He's upstairs in heaven, not some "neighbor" of mine. Well, it is said the Angels dwell in the presence of God. When an Angel/messenger visited Belshazzar in his Babylonian palace and delivered a message, the presence of God was no further away than the length of an arm. something to think about, don'tcha know! [The story is found in Daniel, in the Old Testament.] Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

To speak of the Almighty in too familiar terms is to overly anthropomorphize the Creator of the Universe. As Jesus told his disciples and Phillip in particular, all a human can know of God is what one sees in the Savior ... sort of like 'all a flatlander living in a two-dimension world could know of a pencil is where it intersects the flatland and by adding up the collected data, a sembalance of pencil would result, but the whole pencil would be unknowable.'

He's upstairs in heaven, not some "neighbor" of mine. Jesus is alive and as close as a man's arm away from you at every moment of your life ... space and time are no hindrance to our Lord, as witnessed by those in a locked upper room, by disicples walking along a road and fishing from a boat, and arising into the air, and ... well, you get the gist, hopefully.

44 posted on 01/16/2003 9:29:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (The work at the Cross and ressurection reaches as far back in time as it does forward to our time)
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To: MHGinTN
There's apparently an attempt to dig up some dirt in hopes of harming Mel and his project. I don't think that if something is spewed forth in an attempt to smear him that Mel Gibson would suffer ... he's forgiven, as are all Christians, and anything these ghouls try to use will be one more opportunity for us, his brothers and sisters in Christ, to explain it to the somnambulent world!
45 posted on 01/16/2003 9:34:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (The work at the Cross and ressurection reaches as far back in time as it does forward to our time)
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
Mel is going to perhaps tell the story as written in the Bible. But who knows if that's "truth"? posted by Ten Megaton Solution I start by assuming that God is, that He is a lover of those that diligently seek Him, and that He is the author of the Bible. He is the author in a way you apparently haven't discovered : God works on the inward parts His Spirit plucks the strings of your soul when the Bible is read and studied, so He accomplishes that which He purposes. I don't think the Bible could be wrenched from the intentions of God since He created the entire universe at His will. The correctness of the Bible comes not so much from the way the books and verses have been handled throughout history as it comes from the omnipotence of the author. Accept that premise and read the Book, starting with the Book of Luke the physician writing to a Greek questioner, then the Acts of the Apostles, also written to the Greek. It will change your life and destination, friend, for He is there with you to translate any heartfelt question you may have.
46 posted on 01/16/2003 9:42:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (The work at the Cross and ressurection reaches as far back in time as it does forward to our time)
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To: MHGinTN
Jesus is alive and as close as a man's arm away from you at every moment of your life ... space and time are no hindrance to our Lord, as witnessed by those in a locked upper room, by disicples walking along a road and fishing from a boat, and arising into the air, and ... well, you get the gist, hopefully.


Fantastic posts!
47 posted on 01/16/2003 9:46:42 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
BUMP to the faithful.
48 posted on 01/16/2003 9:53:44 PM PST by semaj
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To: katana
More seriously, this film could lead to many being saved who would otherwise never be reached by any other form of outreach

This is true. Unfortunately, about 90% of media that's done as Christian outreach is so poorly done that it probably has the opposite effect. The Mormans have a wonderful series of commercials, but I have serious problems with some of their beliefs.

His movie Signs, was a beautiful statement of how the adversities and tragedies we face in life are part of the ultimate plan. I hope this movie is as successful as Braveheart. Also, I would be very surprised if it did not include Christ rising from the grave.

49 posted on 01/16/2003 9:58:20 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
Well, no, not really. Mel is going to perhaps tell the story as written in the Bible. But who knows if that's "truth"?

I do.

50 posted on 01/16/2003 10:00:44 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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