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[VANITY] What can Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator do that Mozilla cannot?
self ^ | 1-17-3 | Petronski

Posted on 01/17/2003 2:46:02 PM PST by Petronski

I just downloaded and installed Mozilla and it seems to be better than the Explorer 5.5 I had been using.

What is the downside to this? It seems to do everything I used explorer for, plus it has killed all unrequested popups, yet permits popups that I request (like tvguide).

Is there something I'm missing here?


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It seems very cool.
1 posted on 01/17/2003 2:46:02 PM PST by Petronski
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 2:47:54 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Petronski
Also available on the Mozilla.org site is Phoenix (currently in beta). It uses the gekko engine (like mozilla) but is a smaller, faster browser. It also kills pop-ups, supports tabbed browsing, supports extensions to the UI, and lots of cool stuff. It loads FAST.
3 posted on 01/17/2003 2:49:45 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: Bush2000; Dominic Harr
I wish I knew who else to ping.
4 posted on 01/17/2003 2:50:25 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: shadowman99
If it is smaller and faster, why wouldn't I automatically want that one, rather than Mozilla or the others?
5 posted on 01/17/2003 2:51:09 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Dallas; BibChr
It was your comments on another thread that got me trying Mozilla. Dallas recommended it, but Dan you said you don't like it because it doesn't do everything.

What gives? I've never used anything but Explorer (beginning with version 2.0), but lately it is getting ungainly and awkward to control. Can you run down pros and cons for me?
6 posted on 01/17/2003 2:55:54 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: Petronski
Can it cure cancer or AIDS yet?
7 posted on 01/17/2003 2:56:46 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Petronski
It's still a beta piece of software. Ultimately you will want to switch.

Also very good is Konqueror. Originally developed for the KDE desktop fo *nix platforms, Apple is basing the new Safari browser upon the code. If you do Unix, give it a try.

8 posted on 01/17/2003 2:57:03 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: Bush2000
Well, I'm really trying to understand the differences, not start a pissing contest.
9 posted on 01/17/2003 2:57:58 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: Bush2000; isthisnickcool
"Can it cure cancer or AIDS yet?"

No, and neither can IE, troll.

10 posted on 01/17/2003 2:59:44 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: Petronski
The current release of Mozilla is pretty slow. I like some of it's features a lot, like tabs, but the speed thing annoys me.
11 posted on 01/17/2003 3:00:39 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Petronski
Browsers are so ... twentieth-century ...
12 posted on 01/17/2003 3:00:57 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: shadowman99
No, and neither can IE, troll.

Too bad you can't get a sense-of-humor transplant. You could use one.
13 posted on 01/17/2003 3:01:42 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Petronski
I use Moz 1.0 and sometime have problems with sites that use JavaScript windows. I have to bring up IE5 for that. Otherwise, I like the pop-up kill ability in Moz.
14 posted on 01/17/2003 3:01:51 PM PST by etcetera
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To: etcetera
Popups are easy to kill. http://www.adpurger.com
15 posted on 01/17/2003 3:03:21 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Petronski
What can Internet Explorer do that Mozilla cannot?

BSOD

Lock up

virus

Fail Security

you know . . . The usual.

16 posted on 01/17/2003 3:05:06 PM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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To: etcetera
Cool new thing in Phoenix - a drop down lets you choose how your browser IDs itself to a website. You can choose IE 5.5 or 6 and many sites that ban other browsers suddenly work! A good way to fight back at the monopoly enablers!
17 posted on 01/17/2003 3:07:42 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: Bush2000
I use Panicware's Pop-Up Stopper which is totally free."Ad purger" is a 30 day trial.
18 posted on 01/17/2003 3:08:33 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: Petronski
Is Mozilla another evil capitalist enterprise like Microsoft? All hail Linux. It will free the workers.
19 posted on 01/17/2003 3:09:25 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Petronski
While Mozilla is my browser of choice, it can be a hassle getting plug-ins to install and run properly. You probably want to keep IE or Netscape around until they work out some of the bugs on this.

Tabbed browsing and cookie controls make it worth the effort. (I use a separate program to control pop-ups in all of my browsers.)
20 posted on 01/17/2003 3:10:18 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Mr_Magoo
Well, MSIE has been bothering me in several different ways lately:

On some pages (weather.com and tvguide.com), a page will stop rendering midway and a little box will ask "....do you want to run Debug?" and I have to press no to continue. Very annoying.

Sometimes it politely says 'Microsoft Explorer must terminate, do you want to send a report to Microsoft about this condition?' Then all web pages crash simultaneously.

I have directories full of old cache files which I can locate with 'find' but which I cannot delete, except at the command prompt.

Explorer often collides head on with my antivirus program.

Explorer sometimes forgets how to render smooth fonts.

Various explorer windows freeze without explanation and can only be assassinated with ctl-alt-del.

Etc....
21 posted on 01/17/2003 3:13:19 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: PaulJ
Pop-up stopper does not seem to be able to distinguish between requested pop-ups and unrequested pop-ups. I will give you an example. With tvguide.com, when you click on a program, it uses java to run a popup with a description of the program. With panicware's pop-up stopper, this page does not work. It seems to kill all popups, indiscriminately.
22 posted on 01/17/2003 3:15:25 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: PaulJ
Thanks for the link, dude. ;-)
23 posted on 01/17/2003 3:18:47 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Petronski
Just so you know, Microsoft IE 6.0 is very similiar to Mozilla, however they both have their limitations. In speed tests, Microsoft IE 6.0 is faster on startup than Mozilla, while they both are similiar is speed tests as far as bringing up indentical websites, etc...all in all, what one can't do, or doesn't do very well, you can usually do better with the later.
24 posted on 01/17/2003 3:22:46 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: Petronski
Are you pressing ctrl & alt at the same time before you click on a window?
25 posted on 01/17/2003 3:23:07 PM PST by apackof2
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To: Petronski
You can set the level(normal or aggresive), but if there is a pop up you want, hold down "Ctrl" or "Shift" and it will allow the pop-up
26 posted on 01/17/2003 3:23:37 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: apackof2
Uh, no. I found that to be a cumbersome pain in the @$$
27 posted on 01/17/2003 3:24:15 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: PaulJ; apackof2
Thanks for the help, both of you. But why should I revert to a key-combination when Mozilla seems to be able to tell the difference and renders them properly?

It's a rhetorical question, of course.

I should have mentioned in my list of problems above that Mozilla has fixed them all. That's why I wanted to know, 'hey, what's the catch?'
28 posted on 01/17/2003 3:26:16 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: Petronski
Pop-up stopper stops pop-ups. That's its job. But you can temproarily turn it off for a specific pop-up or link by using the control key.
29 posted on 01/17/2003 3:27:17 PM PST by wildbill
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To: Petronski
Wait...now I've got a question and I'll bet someone here can answer it. I have IE6. Why is that that when I visit certain web pages (FreeRepublic is one) my text size changes? I like it at "smaller" but when I come to FR it switches to "Medium" and every now and then, on some sites, it'll switch to "Gigantic". Is this problem something in IE? Does anyone know how I can fix it?
30 posted on 01/17/2003 3:30:27 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: *tech_index
Some browser issues being discussed here.
31 posted on 01/17/2003 3:33:19 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: rs79bm
Microsoft IE 6.0 is very similiar to Mozilla

One huge difference. Microsoft says the minimum system requirements for 6.0 include Win98 or higher operating system. Mozilla runs fine on Win95. See here for 6.0 requirements (recommended and minimum).
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/evaluation/sysreqs/default.asp

32 posted on 01/17/2003 3:34:52 PM PST by PAR35
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To: etcetera
I use Moz 1.0

They are up to 1.2.1 for release now, with 1.3 in Beta.

33 posted on 01/17/2003 3:37:13 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PaulJ
I would guess it's a problem with IE, as I use Mozilla under Linux, and have not had that problem. I HAVE had that problem using Opera under Windows, though. Maybe it's a windows thing, rather than IE.
34 posted on 01/17/2003 3:40:06 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Petronski
Netscape 7 is the commercial Mozilla version and includes the pop up blocker and an e-mail client. Very Slick
35 posted on 01/17/2003 3:42:19 PM PST by UB355
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To: Petronski
Sounds like you've gotten the point. It's very cool, it's better than IE, etcetera. You're not missing a thing.
36 posted on 01/17/2003 3:47:15 PM PST by Anchoragite
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To: Bush2000
"Can it cure cancer or AIDS yet?"

There is already a solution for AIDS... Find a wife and stop browsing with the same sex.
37 posted on 01/17/2003 3:50:02 PM PST by babygene
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To: Bush2000; shadowman99
Too bad you can't get a sense-of-humor transplant. You could use one.

I think I can help with this one.


38 posted on 01/17/2003 3:50:37 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Doe Eyes
All hail Linux. It will free the workers.

Say what you want about open source, but... it's a sad state for development when a corporation is so bad at doing what it monopolizes that people in the industry are willing to create a competing (if not superior) product from scratch, for free.

39 posted on 01/17/2003 3:51:57 PM PST by Anchoragite
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To: PaulJ
"Ad purger" is a 30 day trial.

But AdAware is free.

40 posted on 01/17/2003 3:52:08 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Petronski
Dump all of them and get Opera 6.

They have a beta version of Opera 7 out but I am not happy with it yet.

Opera 6 rules!
41 posted on 01/17/2003 3:52:41 PM PST by TruBluKentuckian
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To: PaulJ
Why is that that when I visit certain web pages (FreeRepublic is one) my text size changes?

If you have a scroll wheel mouse, here is the answer: While on FreeRepublic, hold down the control key while scrolling one click at a time. One direction will increase font size, the other direction will decrease it.

If you have no scroll wheel mouse, go to the top menu bar and click on "View" then down to "Text Size" and then select a font size from the drop down context menu.

I have no idea why the font is changing size but those are the fixes.

42 posted on 01/17/2003 3:55:58 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Petronski
 

It's an excellent browser with only one pitfall:  as far as I'm aware, you still can't browse full-screen with a "auto-hide" toolbar which will appear and disappear when you move the mouse to and from the top of the screen. 

If you don't care about full screen browsing  and you're happy with Mozilla then keep it.  There's no reason not to like it: it's a fine browser, though not all sites support it yet and you might have minor problems with complex sites that haven't coded for Mozilla.  It also opens slower than IE because IE is loaded into memory when Windows starts but, that's irrelevant after the browser is open and it's not so bad as to be annoying.....it's just something I've noticed.

Those of us who appreciate full screen browsing with auto-hide have to stick with IE until Mozilla supports the function.  That's the biggest downside right now.

As for "Stopping popups" IE did this without third party software.  It's amazing how many people are ignorant of the fact but I discussed it here today. 

43 posted on 01/17/2003 4:03:30 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: PAR35
One huge difference. Microsoft says the minimum system requirements for 6.0 include Win98 or higher operating system

You are correct. You can't run IE 6.0 on Win95. However, why are you still using Win95? I mean, I realize some people are reluctant to upgrade, but do yourself a favor and at least get WIN98SE.
44 posted on 01/17/2003 4:05:01 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: PAR35
One huge difference. Microsoft says the minimum system requirements for 6.0 include Win98 or higher operating system. Mozilla runs fine on Win95.

This isn't meant to be smartass, but are there still a lot of people running Windows 95?

45 posted on 01/17/2003 4:05:51 PM PST by GallopingGhost
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To: Petronski; rdb3
Of course it's cool. It's the best browser around

Former Explorer user, never again

46 posted on 01/17/2003 4:06:06 PM PST by billbears
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Well, I don't want to turn this into a harangue, but that just turns off ALL popups. There are some sites that use them intentionally.

Mozilla seems to be able to tell the difference. It's sweet.

47 posted on 01/17/2003 4:06:42 PM PST by Petronski (It's a nice weekend kind of topic....)
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To: Anchoragite
it's a sad state for development when a corporation is so bad at doing what it monopolizes...

That isn't what motivates these developers. They want to knock MS from its perch as the predominant desktop OS.
48 posted on 01/17/2003 4:06:43 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks!
49 posted on 01/17/2003 4:07:49 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: babygene
There is already a solution for AIDS... Find a wife and stop browsing with the same sex.

And if this hypothetical wife has an affair with someone that has HIV ... ?
50 posted on 01/17/2003 4:11:59 PM PST by Bush2000
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