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Starting up a webpage?? (software vanity)

Posted on 01/18/2003 4:09:05 PM PST by KantianBurke

Hello fellow freepers. I've been reading up on HTML and other such web page goodies. To make a long story short I want to create a webpage but I was hoping that, before purchasing any software; i.e. Adobe GoLive etc, or getting a domain name someone might be able to steer me away from the junk and towards the decent markups out there. Any and all advice pertaining to beginning a webpage is welcome! Thanks guys


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Cost really isn't an issue though I'd like to keep things under control. Thanks again
1 posted on 01/18/2003 4:09:05 PM PST by KantianBurke
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2 posted on 01/18/2003 4:12:54 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: KantianBurke
This belongs in GI, moneybags.
3 posted on 01/18/2003 4:15:57 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: KantianBurke
Whatever tools you use, start by studying tables. Tables don't have to be elaborate, they just have to be, so you can get what you want.
4 posted on 01/18/2003 4:18:00 PM PST by unspun (Keep today's protesters in mind, when you think of legalizing drugs.)
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To: hole_n_one
jesus ur one obsessed wacked out old man aren't u. JR told you to back off. How about you act ur age and follow the rules of the house?

And for the record, this is a vanity / question so this post is appropriate where I put it.

5 posted on 01/18/2003 4:20:01 PM PST by KantianBurke (Sell your fundamentalism somewhere else)
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To: KantianBurke
Hello! I hope you're not doing this for money... there's no money in making websites anymore (at least not unless you're an exceptionally great CG artist or a masterful programmer). Anyway... let's move on...

Do you have a cable or highspeed connection and not anticipating very high traffic? If so, simply download Apache and run it on a computer that will stay turned on and online at all times. Apache is really easy--all you have to do is install it, then look in the configuration file to decide which folder you want as your "website" (like, say, you have your HTML pages and images in C:\website\, you can tell Apache to point it to that. It's simpler than you think)

As for a domain name, there are plenty of cheap suppliers. I got one for $30 for two years, forgot my supplier though and I'm too lazy to do a whois on myself. Anyway, you can buy a domain name, and then pay for a subscription (usually about $30 an year or so) to have a domain forwarded to your computer's IP. Apache will automatically point requests to your website on your computer.

As for software, try doing your HTML in Textpad, which is free (of course, you should register for a mere $20 since it's a wonderful text editor). There's actually a free Photoshop wannabe called GIMP if you don't want to shell out several hundred for Photoshop--they have virtually all of the same commands... a bit less powerful, and its image scaling is a bit worse, but wonderful for most websites' needs.

Anyway, the above is the cheap version. $35 registration + 40/yr DNS forwarding = $75.to run your website for two years.
6 posted on 01/18/2003 4:20:09 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: Support Free Republic
I guess I've been around here for about 5 years or so now. Time sure flies!

When Jim Robinson started this site, it was because he was fed up with the liberal media, and how they would not let people worldwide know about the corruption of the Clinton Administration. A few of us, equally concerned, (with great luck) found it fast.

In the early days, FR was a day-to-day operation, always on the brink of bankruptcy. Jim kept on, and we chipped in when it became too much. We knew how important this site was, and is. Sometimes, it came down to the wire, and we wrote checks, and sent them in, as best we could.

Look at it now. We all get our best information from this site. It is huge, with thousands of posters, and millions of readers. Yet Jim still keeps it alive because of his conviction, and he is absolutely NOT making a profit on it. He just believes. As do we.

BTW, did you know that the founder of this site is in a wheelchair (sorry Jim; I know you think it doesn't make a r*ts a$$ difference. Hey, some folks out there need to come down a peg, like I have.).

Think of it! In the darkest days of the Clinton Administration, there was a lone internet site where people with integrity, brains, and sheer gumption could discuss the dangers faced by the US. Not on CNN, for sure.

Earthmovers like Drudge, Ann Coulter, Rush, WFBuckley, his brother, Savage, Buchanan, both houses of Congress (many) check in to see what we think.

The opposition checks it out, too. Like the NY times staff, CNN, etc. Trust me, they all come here to read. Even YOUR post. You know by now how they are whining about Rush? We're next, as soon as they figure out how they can trash this site without it getting a million hits.

I've been broke; I've been not broke. I've slept in my car. I know how it feels to be squeezed tight with bills. Foks with giant bills: You're not alone, and you have friends here. :)

If you love this site as much as I do, please, please sign up for automatic payment of just $3 per month. Don't be embarrassed if you think this is too little. It absolutely is not. You $3 a month folks are our grassroots movement heroes. Be proud. We'll thank you for it, and are so glad to have you on board.

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7 posted on 01/18/2003 4:21:54 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Nakatu X
wow!! thats some great advice! I'll definetly look into all that ASAP. Thank you very much N-X!
8 posted on 01/18/2003 4:22:11 PM PST by KantianBurke (Sell your fundamentalism somewhere else)
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To: KantianBurke
Alot depends on what type of page you are wanting to build.
Myself, I like Homesite. I don't like the interface of GoLive or Dreamweaver.
I also think it'll be easier for a beginner, yet still has excellent capabilities should you need a program that can also handle site management.
At $99 it's also considerably cheaper. (GoLive and Dreamweaver are each $400) There's a free trial you can download to evaluate the program.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/productinfo/faq/
9 posted on 01/18/2003 4:24:00 PM PST by visualops (How many guitarists to screw in a light bulb? All! One does it and the rest say "I could do that.")
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To: KantianBurke
There is some info on getting started here:

http://www.varmintal.net/apage.htm

It is kind of a quick start guide to making your very own web page.

10 posted on 01/18/2003 4:27:18 PM PST by Varmint Al
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To: MonroeDNA
I am absolutley convinced that Fox news has a near permanent lurker. They watch for the threads that run...those same topics show up in their shows that night or the next day.

These are topics completley missed by the other networks. I won't even listen to someone who tells me otherwise. Fox monitors FR...and gets some of its story ideas from this site....no question

11 posted on 01/18/2003 4:28:08 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: KantianBurke
Again, depending on what you are looking to create, website domain registration and hosting are considerably cheaper than that. You can register for as low as $8. Hosting plans vary, based on services offered, in addition to upload space and available bandwidth.
Running a server over a cable connection, you will find is against policy, and they can terminate your account. You can run a server over a DSL connection. Make sure you do your research regarding security and other issues.
12 posted on 01/18/2003 4:29:41 PM PST by visualops (How many guitarists to screw in a light bulb? All! One does it and the rest say "I could do that.")
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To: KantianBurke
If you are wanting something simple, you can get hosting from Tracy Brant (tbrant@gryphynmedia.com) for just $24 a YEAR. That includes hosting your domain, so you don't have to worry about forwarding.

As for domain registration, check out godaddy.com. They are dirt cheap to register a domain (something like $8.95/year, $6.95 if you pay for a certain amount of years ahead of time).

Finally, I found Netscape's Composer to be EXTREMELY helpful when I first started out. You can do a wide range of stuff with it (but nothing really fancy). Generally, I start a new page in Composer, get the basic elements on there, and then edit the fancy stuff in with MS Notepad, though knowledge of HTML is needed to do so.

If you check with Tracy, let her n\know David Ware sent you (no, I don't get a kickback, but she is a friend & likes to know when I send biz to her).

13 posted on 01/18/2003 4:31:05 PM PST by dware (I sometimes have trouble finishing what I....)
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To: dware
FYI, this is just a "hobbyist" kind of page. One where I can put up family pics, resume and of course....Reagan quotes. Once again, thanks everyone for ur info and advice!
14 posted on 01/18/2003 4:33:01 PM PST by KantianBurke (Sell your fundamentalism somewhere else)
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To: KantianBurke
look over www.webmonkey.com

get a free site at tripod.com to practice with for a few WEEKS.

THEN buy a program. there are some WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) programs out there.... check out ZDnet.com for reviews.
15 posted on 01/18/2003 4:34:46 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: KantianBurke
Dreamweaver is a good program, but has a steep learning curve. Microsoft's FrontPage is poor.
16 posted on 01/18/2003 4:34:56 PM PST by T Ruth
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To: MonroeDNA
>>...When Jim Robinson started this site...<<

Extremely well said!!

Your call to donate $3 a month is spot on. I've always waited for the quarterly fundraiser to donate but I think I'll set up a monthly schedule.

I've come here daily for years and if it weren't for FR on September 11, 2001, I'd have been completely in the dark about the events of that day. All the other news sites were jammed and the FReepers here kept all us cubicle drivers up to date.

I honestly don't know what I'd do without this place.

17 posted on 01/18/2003 4:36:32 PM PST by FReepaholic
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To: KantianBurke
Are you familiar with MS Word? If so, you will love MS Frontpage. You can find it for about $100 and maybe less on at one of the online auction sites. You don't need the newest version. FrontPage 2000 is fine.

Next, get yourself CorelDraw graphics program. Very powerful and if you get one of the older version (version 8 is fine) you can pick it up for under $30.00 With this program you can manipulate photos and much more. Very worth it.

If you want to compress your pics so they don't make your web page fat and slow, get ULead Gif Animator. Use the Gif Compression feature on this program to make your pics look good and load fast.

Put your pages together on your own computer. Get everything working. Then go find yourself a place to host your domain name. Cost is about $10.00 per month for all you will need to get started.

Upload your site with CUTE FTP. A free download and then they ask for a small contribution. Or you can use Frontpage to upload.

After you upload, all of us can see your site.

Have fun!
18 posted on 01/18/2003 4:37:06 PM PST by MissBaby
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To: KantianBurke
Go to Ebay and find an old copy of Adobe PageMill.
19 posted on 01/18/2003 4:39:34 PM PST by FReepaholic
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To: KantianBurke
Get "NoteTab Lite" if you want to learn as you go and know the what and why's of how html works. It's free, too.
20 posted on 01/18/2003 4:39:50 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (/sarcasm)
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To: hole_n_one
You forgot to change your screen name to Illbay, goofy.
21 posted on 01/18/2003 4:40:23 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (/sarcasm)
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To: KantianBurke
I've never used one of the html editors. I just write my code on notepad or sometimes wordpad and then save it with the html extension instead of the txt extension. I've never had a problem doing it that way. It's very easy to do. There are some very good html threads here at FR

There are some very good websites such as www.bignosebird.com
Hope this may be of help
J

22 posted on 01/18/2003 4:41:21 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: KantianBurke
Every PC comes with the easiest to use web page editor - it's called Notepad. < /sarcasm>

Now to answer the question...Macromedia Dreamweaver if you can afford it.

23 posted on 01/18/2003 4:41:32 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (_*_)
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To: visualops
I've got to agree with you about Homesite. It makes really clean html. Just about anything but 'frontpage' will do though.
24 posted on 01/18/2003 4:41:34 PM PST by zeugma (This is a dead parrot!)
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To: KantianBurke
http://www.notetab.com/ntl.htm
25 posted on 01/18/2003 4:42:44 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (/sarcasm)
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To: KantianBurke
Just dont get sucked into buying an FTP software; you can upload to an FTP right out of windows explorer or internet explorer to your site.
26 posted on 01/18/2003 4:45:17 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (/sarcasm)
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To: hole_n_one You forgot to change your screen name to Illbay

Glad that I scrolled, because I was about to say something close to identical. But, in defense of Illbay, he seems to have been beaten into submission and turned in his badge lately.

27 posted on 01/18/2003 4:47:54 PM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: ErnBatavia
we need a screen name "Illhole". :o)
28 posted on 01/18/2003 4:53:46 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (/sarcasm)
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To: KantianBurke
Starting out, Frontpage would be fine. - Tom
29 posted on 01/18/2003 4:53:52 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: KantianBurke
If you run IE 4 up, you may already have FrontPage Express installed. It is an ok--basic to get started.
30 posted on 01/18/2003 4:55:34 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
LOL!
31 posted on 01/18/2003 4:57:09 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: KantianBurke
What's the purpose of the web page?

If you don't want to get that deep into HTML, I like MS FrontPage. I'm not recommending it over any of the others because I haven't use the others, but FP works well for me.

If you use FrontPage, you will want to use a web host that supports FrontPage extensions (most do). These extensions, among other things, let you easily manage the site without manually ftp'ing files.

If you hit a mental block in starting the site, there are built-in and third party FrontPage themes and templates available from many places on the web. Most of the themes I've tried seem to make an amateurish looking site, but there are some very nice templates available.

I just recently redesigned the web site for my small biz - I bought a template for $20 and practically just filled in the words (not that simple, but pretty close). It took me a day or two and (IMHO) looks as good as anything a pro would design.

32 posted on 01/18/2003 4:59:09 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: MonroeDNA
When I became a monthly donor I was surprised at how good it felt. Especially when one of these fundraisers come up and I don't feel guilty.

Bcome a monthly donor and get a free conscience. And when there's enough of us we won't have to put up with these annoying fundraisers anymore. Just do it. It's easy.

33 posted on 01/18/2003 5:08:17 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Start Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Nakatu X
Hello! I hope you're not doing this for money... there's no money in making websites anymore (at least not unless you're an exceptionally great CG artist or a masterful programmer). Anyway... let's move on...

Indeed! How is it that I make a nice living merely redesigning corporate websites (completely aside from my 3D and video work)? No money in it? Who do you think designs and produces all the web pages we see every day? Robots? There is a tremendous opportunity and will remain as such for as long as there is the web, given that an individual has talent and cuts out a niche, as with all business endeavors.

34 posted on 01/18/2003 5:22:03 PM PST by montag813
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To: KantianBurke
I use HotMetal Pro from SoftQuad mostly because I started with the free version some years ago (no longer avail) and got to like it. The HotMetal Pro package comes with an FTP program (WS_FTP Pro) and an image editor (Photoimpact, full version). For hosting, I moved to Infopop as they include a free (and good) bulletin board with their hosting. All you have to do with the bulletin board is modify the template to suit your needs. Support has been great too.
35 posted on 01/18/2003 5:29:19 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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First, let me congratulate you on your success. Your skills must be excellent if you are able to make a living purely by designing websites.

Second, let me admit my error. I should have said something akin to "the market for website designers is way overflooded." Everyone (non-programmers included) I know can do HTML and can thump out a few decent logos in PhotoShop, which is all what the majority of websites need. CSS isn't exactly the most difficult thing in the world. font-family:arial,helvetica; wheeeeee, how difficult.

Third, every dime-a-dozen programmer knows ASP/JSP/Perl/whatever now, these languages are as easy as heck. I did a basic Hotmail clone in last year out of boredom that would send and receive email, for example--which isn't to brag but to show how easy it is to do that kind of stuff. I have a very hard time believing that more than 1 out of 10 people who aspire to be full-time website designers can make it.
36 posted on 01/18/2003 5:33:49 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: tscislaw
YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!

A thousand ponts of light lurk, and you shine!
37 posted on 01/18/2003 5:34:00 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: antaresequity
Spot on, what you said. Yes, many folks at Fox lurk here. And many governments, too.
38 posted on 01/18/2003 5:35:16 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: sciencediet
Yes, monthly is the way to go.

Contratulations, by the way, Patriot!
39 posted on 01/18/2003 5:37:26 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Nakatu X
I forgot to add, this hotmail clone was done in one day--again, not to brag, but to show how easy it is to do server-side stuff.
40 posted on 01/18/2003 5:38:48 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: MonroeDNA
Your words touched me deeply. I've suffered two major financial setbacks in the past year and a half and am still trying to get back on my feet. (Went from having a decent career to running a small thriving business, then to two catastrophic level of financial disasters due to a couple of greedy lying bastard partners.)

So although I've been wanting/meaning to contribute to Jim and his cause that I also believed in, didn't think I could. Well, at least not enough to make any difference, so I haven't.

Until I read your post, my mindset has been that I would make a significant contribution to Jim after I got back on my feet and was embarrassed and too proud to commit to a measly few dollars a month. Your post changed all that and I am going to commit to at least 3 dollars a month but shoot for $10 hoping Jim can buy enough "seeds" for the "grassroots."

Thank you MonroeDNA.



41 posted on 01/18/2003 5:41:01 PM PST by Chong
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To: KantianBurke
You should actually be able to make a very good page without any extra software bought. That's my advice - save your money. Anyway, here are a few very useful links:

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/sitelinks.html
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimerP1.html
http://builder.cnet.com/webbuilding/0-3881-8-5893399-1.html
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/teachingtool/html.html
42 posted on 01/18/2003 5:41:33 PM PST by Tomalak
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To: KantianBurke
Well, if it's just a personal page, you should consider getting a geocities site temporarily, just to mess around with. And Composer would work great for something like that.

43 posted on 01/18/2003 5:42:45 PM PST by dware (I sometimes have trouble finishing what I....)
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To: Chong
Chong, you are a very honorable person. Your words, and hardship, touch me deeply. I sincerely hope that favorable fortune comes your way, and soon.

Please, $3 a month is more than enough, trust me! I honor you for doing that! There is a list of monthly contributors here, and the amount is not listed. That is for a reason. It is the heart of those that give, that counts.

The most wonderful thing about giving, is that it comes back to you, multiplied. Please feel welcomed at $3 a month, and if and when you see fit, increase it if you want.

You are among friends.

MonroeDNA



44 posted on 01/18/2003 6:16:23 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Chong
May I ask, what happened in your businesses? Bad partner...gee that sounds bad.
45 posted on 01/18/2003 6:17:59 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: KantianBurke
Lots of bad advice on this thread. I've seen several posts that are very inaccurate.

I don't have time to respond to each...but it's important to do some looking around before you make a decision.

For the record:

I'm handling the redirect for Joe Millionaire for Google.

Joe Millionaire

46 posted on 01/18/2003 6:28:13 PM PST by invoman
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Illhole". :o)

Sounds like something Magic Johnson came down with a few years ago.......and then he began glorifying it by touting his "wellness"; but that's a whole 'nother thread.

49 posted on 01/18/2003 7:10:53 PM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: MonroeDNA
Earthmovers like Drudge, Ann Coulter, Rush, WFBuckley, his brother, Savage, Buchanan, both houses of Congress (many) check in to see what we think.

I think all those people check in here to NOT see what we think, but to see what we say about THEM.

50 posted on 01/18/2003 7:20:19 PM PST by Jackie
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