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CIVILIANS PATROLLING THE BORDER
Insight Magazine ^ | January 20, 2003 | By Kelly Patricia O Meara

Posted on 01/20/2003 5:48:38 AM PST by Uncle Bill

CIVILIANS PATROLLING
THE BORDER

Insight Magazine
By Kelly Patricia O Meara
January 20, 2003
Cover Story

Tombstone, Ariz., is where Wyatt Earp became a legend. It took just 30 seconds in a blazing gunfight for three no-good cowboys to die with their boots on. They were sent to the Boothill Graveyard from the infamous shootout at the O.K. Corral, forever synonymous with vigilante justice. Today, more than 120 years after the cloud of spent gunpowder settled on the dead, trouble again is brewing in these parts and all eyes are focused on vigilante justice in Tombstone, "the town too tough to die."

Chris Simcox didn't come to Tombstone looking for trouble. The problem was growing long before the 42-year-old former elementary-school teacher ambled into town from Los Angeles. But once aware of the gravity of the situation Simcox, the new owner of the historic Tombstone Tumbleweed, wasn't going to be run out of town just because threats were being made against his life. The newly made editor and publisher fully expected that the message he sent to his neighbors across the border in Mexico would ruffle a few feathers.

"It was after 9/11," explains Simcox, "that I became aware of the problem of illegal entry over our border. I spent several weeks vacationing out here in our national parks. We were being told by the president that we had to be vigilant, be more aware of what was going on around us. But while I was camping, in the span of two weeks I ran across five paramilitary groups trucking drugs across the border."

Simcox shakes his head. "These were highly organized groups; three vehicles, with the camouflage-wearing troops escorting the vehicles on both sides in columns and carrying automatic weapons -- AKs, mini-14s, the whole works." The outrage is apparent on his face and in his voice as he says, "These troops are so sophisticated that they're covering themselves with camouflage military netting and they're driving right across Organ Pipe National Monument, one of the most pristine cactus reserves in the country, which is right on the border. In fact, just a few weeks ago, the Park Service listed Organ Pipe as the most dangerous national park in the country because of the drug smugglers coming through it."

The publisher's voice rises as he says, "I saw this criminal activity in broad daylight, and these guys aren't the average migrants; these are real troops. Given what had just happened on 9/11, I hoped they were running drugs and not something even worse. When I told the Border Patrol what I saw they said, 'Yeah, we know, but there's nothing we can do about it.' I said, 'You've got to be kidding. We were just attacked and the president is telling everyone to be vigilant and our Border Patrol can't do anything about this?' That was when I realized something was really wrong. We're under attack but we leave the borders wide open. People are coming across in thousands, even as organized military units, and there's nothing we can do about it -- there's no way of knowing if these people illegally crossing our borders are terrorists? That's when it occurred to me that I own a paper, and I thought, 'Wow, if the rest of the country won't print what is going on out here, at least I can.'"

In October last year the Tumbleweed editor ran his first article on the extent of the illegal crossings along Arizona's 200 miles of border with Mexico. The headline read: "Enough is Enough! A Public Call to Arms! Citizens Border Patrol Militia Now Forming!" A border resistance had begun that many critics of Simcox's efforts believe will end in bloodshed. Simcox is a newspaper man, but the headline earned him the labels "vigilante" and "racist" from those sympathetic to undocumented aliens and the groups supporting open borders.

Simcox insists the allegations are silly, and that those who know him will attest to his character. "There is nothing in my background," he seethes, "that would suggest I am a racist. I've never been a member of anything except the Boy Scouts, and what many don't realize is that I was married to a black woman for many years and have a biracial, African-American son. Calling me a racist is ridiculous."

The same apparently goes for the charges of vigilantism. "I carry a firearm," Simcox says, "because my life has been threatened on more than one occasion since I started Civil Homeland Defense, but carrying a firearm is not a prerequisite for being a member of the group. It is a prerequisite for members of this group to have a concealed-weapons permit, but that only means that the FBI already has checked them out and, according to federal law enforcement, they are squeaky-clean citizens."

He's just warming up. "We've been called vigilantes because we want to protect our border. We're not a militia. We're not out there to hurt anyone. We're not breaking any law and we're not taking the law into our own hands, as some say. The Border Patrol's statistics are that 1.5 million people crossed this border last year, and in October alone there were some 26,000. Those are just the ones that were caught. You have to triple it for the number that got through. We are well within the law to protect our territory and personal property from this illegal onslaught."

The newspaper publisher relaxes as he shifts into a quiet explanation: "Our motto is 'One mile at a time.' We are merely putting bodies on the border, acting as a presence, trying to create a deterrent to those who are trying to cross the border illegally. Off the record the U.S. Border Patrol -- the guys on the ground -- will tell you that they appreciate our help. We're just trying to stop the illegals from crossing the border in the first place and to create a model for other towns and cities along their portion of the border to do the same."

Simcox isn't alone in this battle and wasn't the first to kick up a dust storm over the illegal crossings. Glenn Spencer heads the American Border Patrol, a nonprofit think tank and neighborhood-watch program. "What we try to do," explains Spencer, a retired economist and long-time activist against official toleration of illegal immigration, "is to get people to report to us what they see on the border, acquire a database of border activities, map border intrusions and drug activities and provide an independent assessment of how our Border Patrol is doing. This is something that the government does all the time. We just happen to be here on the border and can report it as it happens."

Spencer's American Border Patrol is heavy with high-tech surveillance, often more sophisticated than its government counterparts. "We'll set up our satellite equipment," Spencer explains, "and send the data about SBIs [suspected border intruders] directly to our Website at www.americanborderpatrol.com. We are not vigilantes or a militia group. I have even given up wearing a firearm so as not to give the wrong impression."

According to Spencer, "The point of our efforts is to go out on patrols on a regular basis, videotape what we observe and put the documentation on the Website so every American can see what is happening along the border on a daily basis. All any American has to do is log on to our Website to see what is happening along this border in real time. People will be amazed. When we find a group of SBIs we tell them this is the United States of America, they have been reported to the Border Patrol and please wait here. They usually just sit down. If they take off we do not attempt to stop them. If they run, they run. We're only trying to give the American people real information about this problem."

Insight found many others who, like Spencer and Simcox, can tell horror stories of what they've experienced along the border, but most are afraid to talk for the record. Living on the U.S. border is becoming more dangerous by the day, and they are fearful that violence will visit them if they are identified. According to one rancher whose Arizona property abuts the barbed-wire fence that is the Mexican-American border here, "People cross my property daily, and on more than one occasion I've run into drug smugglers on my land. When I first moved onto the property I was told that the stretch of land from Nogales to Douglas is known as Cocaine Alley. I don't doubt it, and I don't go anywhere on my property without a loaded pistol."

Another rancher tells Insight that "the drug runners are all through my property and have threatened to kill my kids. We've had trouble for a long time. Hell, I've even had Mexican federales on my property. We've got some trails down here that are so worn they'd qualify as Highway 10."

Henry Harvey, a retired California deputy sheriff and city manager, and longtime resident of the Tombstone area, is a member of American Border Patrol and helps other groups trying to stop illegal entries into the United States. "These illegals," Harvey explains, "aren't just Mexicans. One portion of the desert out here is called OTM [Other Than Mexican] Alley, and we know that since 9/11 persons from 160 countries have been arrested coming through there. What happens is that 'coyotes' [people smugglers] are paid upward of $1,500 to get them across the border, which usually is along an established trail. If the coyote and his group make it through the desert to their pickup spot, depending on when they arrive they'll lay up in the bushes and chaparral until they are collected for transport to wherever. While they are waiting for their transportation, they have food left for the illegals by people and organizations inside the U.S. who are empathetic to their plight. What is left behind is a mess."

One group that has been instrumental in helping the illegal immigrants is Tucson-based Humane Borders, established by the Rev. Robin Hoover. This group provides water to aliens crossing the border, "trying to take death out of the immigration equation." Asked if he thought he and his group were breaking the laws of the United States by aiding and abetting illegal immigrants, Hoover responds, "That's a silly conversation. These people don't make their travel decisions based on where the water is, they make their decisions based on the current Border Patrol deployment and their smuggling infrastructure."

Hoover is aware that many of his neighbors are calling for putting the U.S. military on the border to try to stem the tide of illegal entries, but he tells Insight the United States does not "have the political will or financial resources to close this border. The military is not trained for human rights or civil rights, and I wouldn't support a military on the border. You know, you've got Congressman [Tom] Tancredo [R-Colo.] talking about this, but he doesn't know what he's talking about."

When asked if the water his group provides to illegal aliens might be going to drug smugglers or terrorists, Hoover tells Insight, "I'm willing to reduce the number of people dying in our back yard. Have you heard of the biblical concept that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike?"

Tancredo is chairman of the U.S. congressional Immigration Reform Caucus and on more than one occasion has called for putting federal troops on the borders to stop the invasion by illegals from all over the world. He notes the irony that Mexico already deploys troops along the border. "It's almost hilarious if it weren't such a serious problem," he says. "I have asked the president many times to put troops on the border, and we got a response from soon-to-be secretary of homeland defense Tom Ridge who said there will be no troops on the border because of 'cultural and political reasons that prevent it.'"

Tancredo says Ridge would not elaborate on what cultural or political issues prevent the U.S. military from defending U.S territory in this way. "I've been down on the border," explains the lawmaker, "and I've worked with Ranch Rescue and I've stayed in the homes of the people living on the border. I assure you that something very ugly is going to happen down there. The only way to stop the illegal entry into the U.S. is to put troops on the border. That is the only way it will ever stop. We don't even fight fires at night in some places down there because of the fear of the drug smugglers. It sounds unbelievable, but it is true, so the cynicism about elected officials not wanting to do anything about the illegal-alien problem is totally warranted."

Simcox couldn't agree more: "We are answering the president's call to be vigilant. We are going to do the job that he refuses to do. He is not protecting American citizens. So we say either recruit us, train us and support us -- or stay the hell out of the way."

Kelly Patricia O'Meara is an investigative reporter for Insight magazine.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: border; bush; drugs; illegalaliens; terrorists
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1 posted on 01/20/2003 5:48:39 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Would those states affected the most be within their rights if their respective Governors enlisted the National Guard for their states' defense?
2 posted on 01/20/2003 5:52:55 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: Uncle Bill
Dang...some national press about it !
3 posted on 01/20/2003 5:56:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: azhenfud
Click Here
4 posted on 01/20/2003 6:04:40 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
"We are going to do the job that he refuses to do. He is not protecting American citizens. "
5 posted on 01/20/2003 6:11:41 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: Uncle Bill
One word:

"Claymores".


6 posted on 01/20/2003 6:11:53 AM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: Uncle Bill
BTW, what is a "Bird Report"?
7 posted on 01/20/2003 6:14:43 AM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: Uncle Bill
It will be the ever worsening economy that make Bush a one term wonder. But this SHOULD be the reason.

What will Hillarious the first do?
8 posted on 01/20/2003 6:15:02 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Uncle Bill
"A border resistance had begun that many critics of Simcox's efforts believe will end in bloodshed."

Spoken like a true liberal.

Absolutly nothing is worth fighting for.

Somehow I don't think Americans ( I said Americans ) will go to the "gas chambers" willingly.

9 posted on 01/20/2003 6:16:48 AM PST by G.Mason (Is that a sucking chest wound Pedro?)
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To: MissAmericanPie; madfly; DoughtyOne; B4Ranch; sarcasm; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; AAABEST; ...
Bttt
10 posted on 01/20/2003 6:17:12 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: TXnMA
"Claymores."

Funny I was thinking the same thing. Maybe some "Bouncing Bettys" for additional flavor.
11 posted on 01/20/2003 6:18:59 AM PST by earonthief
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To: Uncle Bill
Thanks U.B.,

"The Guard has a unique dual mission, with both Federal and State responsibilities. During peacetime, the Governor through the State Adjutant General commands Guard forces. The Governor can call the Guard into action during local or statewide emergencies, such as storms, drought, and civil disturbances, to name a few."

I'd say illegals pose a civil disturbance, in the numbers we are being flooded with. Right?

12 posted on 01/20/2003 6:22:33 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: Uncle Bill
Bush needs to get his sorry ass in gear down there.

WTF is he waiting for? Another attack so he can clamp down on more US citizens rights?

IMHO this is borderline treason on GWB's part.

To sit around and do nothing while this happens is a disgrace.
13 posted on 01/20/2003 6:24:42 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: TXnMA
It's an acronym -- Border Intruder Report Database. Check out www.americanborderpatrol.com for details.
14 posted on 01/20/2003 6:28:43 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." <click> "Release to detonate.")
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To: azhenfud
It's worse than you can imagine.

National Guard Leaving Border

When poor George needed votes:

Bush backs using Guard on border

John Ashcroft has his nose down to the ground. Ah, he thinks the Canadian border is the big problem:

Ashcroft Wants National Guard on Canadian Border

Kiss your children, the idiots are in charge

15 posted on 01/20/2003 6:35:46 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: taxed2death
'Arab terrorists' crossing border: Middle Eastern illegals find easy entrance into U.S. from Mexico

"Open Borders"

16 posted on 01/20/2003 6:43:34 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
From The Tucson Citizen
1/18/03 -- Cochise Co. --: As some U.S. citizens take up arms to patrol the Mexican border, the U.S. Border Patrol is reporting more armed encounters with illegal immigrants. Agents in the patrol's Tucson sector encountered illegal immigrants with weapons just twice in each of the past two fiscal years. But there have been 12 incidents in the current fiscal year, which is less than 4 months old. Just in the past week, Tucson sector agents have been shot at twice and have confiscated three semiautomatic pistols, said Border Patrol spokesman Frank Amarillas. More.....

I believe this constitutes an armed invasion.
17 posted on 01/20/2003 6:46:17 AM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: Uncle Bill
I assure you that something very ugly is going to happen down there.

A border patrol agent was recently killed, a couple FBI agents were recently almost beat to death, there is an increase in shootings at Americans on US soil by foreign invaders. It's already ugly. But it will get worse ---the drug smugglers have every intention of bringing in their drugs.

18 posted on 01/20/2003 6:51:26 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Uncle Bill
Border control or IMPEACHMENT
19 posted on 01/20/2003 6:58:22 AM PST by 1234
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To: Crusader21stCentury
"I believe this constitutes an armed invasion."

We are being invaded. No doubt about it. If Americans refuse to elect politicians to do anything about it, well, you know....

The answer of course, is to give them social security. That should really help stop the invasion. (sarcasm off)

U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?

Siphoning off Social Security

20 posted on 01/20/2003 6:58:47 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: TXnMA
"BTW, what is a "Bird Report"?

Click me:

Border Intrusion Reporting Data

21 posted on 01/20/2003 7:02:19 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; All
"What will Hillarious the first do? "

Laugh her wide-load ass off at how easy it was to divide the Right into factions which eat each other, and how short-sighted some on the Right are.

Oh, and she will most assuredly NOT close the borders. She might thank you guys for helping to hand her the reins of power, though.

22 posted on 01/20/2003 7:04:05 AM PST by Long Cut (Daddy-To-Be)
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To: 1234
This article wasn't written that long ago. Sickening.

Bush To Push For Amnesty

23 posted on 01/20/2003 7:05:52 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Long Cut
Since W is blind to the problem that will kill us, what's the difference?
24 posted on 01/20/2003 7:06:55 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Uncle Bill
GWB doesn't have a clue as to what an idiot this makes him appear like.

All the air-time on TV spouting off about Saddams "weapons of mass destruction" is not worth a hill of beans. He's shooting himself in the foot by ignoring this problem at our borders.

It relegates his argument for invading Iraq to total bull$hit.

If there is indeed an "alley" or trail used by human smugglers trafficing in "Other than Mexicans", it just proves his war on terrorism is pure unadulterated bunk.

Why spend $300,000.00 per outpost on the border of Trashcanistan and Pakistan and leave our borders wide open to "evil-doers".

Sorry, this guy (me) has no faith or confidence in our fearless leader. He doesn't have the political will or strength to stand up for what's right and secure our own borders.

My vote is going to someone else next time around. Some one who REALLY cares about the homeland.....not just a window dresser.......and a BS'er.
25 posted on 01/20/2003 7:06:55 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: RLK
Just a heads up.
26 posted on 01/20/2003 7:08:21 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: earonthief; TXnMA
Claymore - ha! Wifey and I always refer to the Sheraton Waikiki as "The Claymore"...


27 posted on 01/20/2003 7:12:32 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: taxed2death
Check these quotes out. Make sure you read them all. You'll feel so much safer.

Click me

Hug your neighbor, destroy terrorism

28 posted on 01/20/2003 7:14:54 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: azhenfud
and you expect Janet NapalitReno to care much less do anything about it. All she can seem to say is yes and bow to Don Raul Grijalva san Azatlan MEhA and try prosecute the people on the border patrols.
29 posted on 01/20/2003 7:15:44 AM PST by SandRat
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To: azhenfud
and you expect Janet NapalitReno to care much less do anything about it. All she can seem to say is yes and bow to Don Raul Grijalva san Azatlan MEChA and try prosecute the people on the border patrols.
30 posted on 01/20/2003 7:16:07 AM PST by SandRat
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To: Uncle Bill
I saw a news report about this very thing late one night on I believe FNC. It was very brief, but did show citizens patroling the border in AZ. I never saw another report nor any further information in the following days. I will bet the bank now that it has been posted on FreeRepublic, thanks Uncle Bill, this will attract national attention. Come on Sean and Rush...jump on this.
31 posted on 01/20/2003 7:21:23 AM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: taxed2death
Un El día En El la vida de Jorge W. La arbusto
32 posted on 01/20/2003 7:24:34 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Conservative4Ever
Is Crime Committed by Mexican Citizens Inside the U.S. Out of Control?

Former U.S. Border Patrol Agent Speaks Out (Against the invasion by openly hostile Mexican forces)

Border Patrol Has Run-In With Mexican Soldiers

U.S. border: A war zone: Jon Dougherty reports from Arizona on immigration follies

Border agents ready to quit

33 posted on 01/20/2003 7:35:11 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: taxed2death
Speaking of serious.

FBI supervisor criticized in 9-11 attacks earns award - chief blocked Moussaoui warrant, is rewarded

34 posted on 01/20/2003 7:38:55 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: SandRat
"and you expect Janet NapalitReno..."

Sorry, but Reno is the last one that I would be expecting to do anything constructive.

35 posted on 01/20/2003 7:42:41 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: Crusader21stCentury
Federal facility accepts Mexican ID at Pelosi's request
36 posted on 01/20/2003 7:55:28 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
The border can be sealed air-tight in one week with the present Border Patrol and no troops simply by giving them war-time rules of engagement.

It's purely a political decision.

37 posted on 01/20/2003 7:59:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (DICTATORS LOVE PACIFISTS: THEY ARE THE EASIEST TO KILL.)
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To: Uncle Bill
While they are waiting for their transportation, they have food left for the illegals by people and organizations inside the U.S. who are empathetic to their plight.

If these pro immigrunt groups (I would bet many are tax exempt) are so clearly integrated into an illegal coyote operation, there is no doubt that they could be successfully prosecuted as accessories in human trafficking and have their tax exempt status revoked.

It might help. It just takes one DA with balls.

38 posted on 01/20/2003 8:04:02 AM PST by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness")
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To: DoughtyOne
Is it Clinton or Bush?

Administration Wants to Extend Immigration "Amnesty"

"President of the United States Wants To Grant Amnesty Up To 4 Million Illegal Aliens"

39 posted on 01/20/2003 8:04:05 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: azhenfud
I'm SURE Gov Richardson of NM would call out the NG to protect New Mexico borders ...</sarcasm off>


40 posted on 01/20/2003 8:08:09 AM PST by texson66
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To: Travis McGee
"It's purely a political decision."

Yep. He'll regret it at the real poll.

41 posted on 01/20/2003 8:17:46 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
I've seen this in a different post and gave my thoughts.
Here...
42 posted on 01/20/2003 8:32:46 AM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: Carry_Okie
I believe if they wanted to stop all of this they could do it, and do it fast. This is complete bullcrap what's going on. We're being totally sold-out. Bush is a joke.

Water Stops for Illegal Aliens

I guess they can always make a quick stop, and go on to the White House for a job that Americans won't do.

43 posted on 01/20/2003 8:37:29 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Crusader21stCentury
I agree, it's traitorous. Talk about opening up the door further for criminal and terrorist activity. Good grief!
44 posted on 01/20/2003 8:41:59 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
I was in Tombstone last summer and met with the local PFUSA chapter in Sierra Vista. The most noticeable thing about the visit was the degree to which the Border Patrol was a joke.

It is my humble opinion that if Osama bin Laden has a nuke, it's already here. We're a nation waiting for the hammer to fall without a clue how deep the situation is. As we wait, it gets worse.

I am reminded of how Reagan ran in the presidential primary as a California favorite son (against Nixon in '72 IIRC). It seemed quixotic at the time, but it gave him the national exposure to be leveraged for the 1980 campaign. It might be time for the same thing.

45 posted on 01/20/2003 8:57:15 AM PST by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness")
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To: Uncle Bill
Rep.Tancredo is correct in that "something very ugly is going to happen down there." Just a matter of time. Then the State and Feds will respond, But against the Citizen Patrols, for taking the law into their own hands.

Disgusting...

46 posted on 01/20/2003 9:54:08 AM PST by earonthief
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To: Carry_Okie
"It is my humble opinion that if Osama bin Laden has a nuke, it's already here. We're a nation waiting for the hammer to fall without a clue how deep the situation is. As we wait, it gets worse."

Hi Carry_Okie. You are so right. It's very possible that it's already here. If not, it will be easy for him to do so with borders like sieves with our traitor politicians facilitating the process of erasing our borders completely.

OSAMA BIN LADEN SAID TO HAVE NUKES

A report published in this week's Geostrategy-Direct.com newsletter, edited in part by Washington Times staffers Bill Gertz and Robert Morton, indicated that bin Laden's possession of nuclear devices "is no longer a doubt." "Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama bin Laden has nuclear weapons. The question is how many," the report said.

Bin Laden has 20 nuclear bombs: Expert - "August 9, 1999"

Experts Fear bin Laden Has Nukes

Bush: fear of bin Laden nukes

HOW TERRORISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICA

47 posted on 01/20/2003 11:15:54 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: earonthief
"Rep.Tancredo is correct in that "something very ugly is going to happen down there." Just a matter of time. Then the State and Feds will respond, But against the Citizen Patrols, for taking the law into their own hands. Disgusting..."


"Federal and state lawmakers have targeted Mr. Simcox for hearings to determine if he has violated any laws in forming the armed militia organization and posting its members on private land to stop illegal aliens, smugglers and drug dealers."
Source

Are you or anybody here aware of any hearings by federal and state lawmakers targeted to kick illegal alien butts out of America for breaking numerous laws?

48 posted on 01/20/2003 11:22:11 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
with our traitor politicians facilitating the process of erasing our borders completely.

Albert Pike and William Walker studied under Giuseppe Mazzini. You are familiar with the goal of Mr. Pike's third world war?

49 posted on 01/20/2003 11:27:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Uncle Bill
Good going, Uncle Bill - glad to see you posting again!
50 posted on 01/20/2003 11:28:47 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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